Detroit Red Wings: Yzerplan B needed to undo this off-season

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  1. Vinegar Strokes

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    Hell yeah more draft picks baby
     
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  2. DeToxRox

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    Very good. Now go turn these picks into Chychrun.
     
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  3. DeToxRox

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  4. The Banks

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    I believe the condition is that it becomes an unprotected 2024 first round pick if it’s a top 12 pick in 2023.

    That’s great because I can see the Isles being a bottom 5 team soon.
     
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  5. Manny

    Manny I love Lip

    Now trade Bert. Other UFAs are Suter, Sundqvist, and Hagg. Oesterle and Psysk are on IR. Erne and Ned are in the minors.

    Also, looking at our cap friendly we're still on the hook for 1.055m for Abdelkader for 3 more years. Fuck you, Kenny.

    Also, we finally get off from Frans Nielsen and Richard Panik's hits after this year. And at least we're reducing the Abby hit from 2.3m this year to that new 1.055 number.
     
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  6. The Banks

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    Wings currently have picks:

    12
    14
    38
    41
    43
     
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  7. DetroitNole

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    Smell an offseason trade coming
     
  8. Vinegar Strokes

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    Yeah you need to trade all those picks for a superstar.
     
  9. DeToxRox

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    Boo
     
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  10. ~ taylor ~

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    What? Is it April Fool's Day?
     
  11. DeToxRox

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    Ottawa definitely has mover solidly ahead of Detroit after todays events. Buffalo might come back down to earth next season, but they are better than us as well.
     
  12. Vinegar Strokes

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    So is the pick protected or not?
     
  13. DetroitNole

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    If next year we run out (lines moreso to designate roster spots than actual line combos)

    Vrana - Larkin - Raymond
    Fabbri-Copp-Perron
    Berggren-Ras-Zadina
    Kubalik-Veleno-Soderblom

    Walman-Seider
    Chariot-Edvinsson
    Maata-____

    Husso
    ______

    I think we'd have close to $30 mill for a defenseman, backup goalie, a scoring top line forward or top 6 at least and to bring back Veleno.
     
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  14. DetroitNole

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    Also Yzerman runs the tightest shop. I didn't even see a rumor of that trade until the team announced it
     
  15. DeToxRox

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    If we did that, I’d take back any good things I’ve ever said about Yzerman the Exec.
     
  16. Vinegar Strokes

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    We should have matched that trade. Great deal for Ottawa
     
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  17. DeToxRox

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    Wingers usually fetch lesser returns but at this point Bertuzzi is probably the best player available that is actively being shopped.
     
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  18. Manny

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    It's growing up in the stacked Western conference all over again, except we're in the East now.
     
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  19. DeToxRox

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    Edvinsson is in the lineup for GR tonight. That doesn’t mean he won’t debut tomorrow, but it feels like it it’s less likely.
     
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    And we don't have two homegrown hall of famers centering the top 2 lines.
     
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  21. Manny

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    What is a Wing friendly contract that you would accept for Bert if Steve were to try to re-sign? I've been team trade him since COVID. But idk what the market is for him at this point. And then the follow up, what do you think he's going to ask for? DeToxRox
     
  22. DetroitNole

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    Bert is such an unknown at this point between his injuries and everything. I don't know what a good return would be for him nor know what his contract next year would look like. He may want a one year prove it contract instead of signing long term after one of his worst seasons
     
  23. DeToxRox

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    I imagine Bertuzzi wants term and Yzerman won’t give it to him. I would say a compromise would be something like 5X5 maybe?
     
  24. Vinegar Strokes

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    We need to start moving draft picks for proven assets.
     
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  25. The Banks

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    I can’t imagine Bert would take 5M per.
     
  26. DeToxRox

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    I agree but that’s probably the compromise number. I just don’t see either side willing to compromise.
     
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  27. Manny

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    He's coming off a 2yr 9.5mil deal. Just turned 28. He probably wants something like a Hyman deal at the least, 7x5.5.

    And that's at the low end of AAV.
     
  28. DeToxRox

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    After the Hronek trade I’m now thinking we make 2-3 more deals. Bertuzzi seems like a given, but you never know. I think one of Vrana/Zadina are traded and then Sundqvist, but Suter could also go.
     
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  29. Manny

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    I think Pius is a valuable guy, still relatively young, doesn't turn 27 until May. But I don't think I want to pay him the 4+ mil that he's probably going to want. Trade him if you can.
     
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  30. DeToxRox

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    Updating how things look headed into next season.

    Roster Locks - our Core

    1. Larkin
    2. Seider
    3. Raymond
    4. Berggren
    5. Walman
    6. Rasmussen
    7. Veleno
    8. Husso

    Likely Locks - Our core (are they ready?)

    9. Edvinsson
    10. Soderblom

    Locks (until the TDL)

    11. Kubalik
    12. Perron

    Locks - the Vets

    13. Fabbri
    14. Maata
    15. Copp

    Locks - Dreaming of a buyout

    16. Chiarot

    Here today, likely gone tomorrow

    17. Vrana
    18. Zadina
    19. Lindstrom

    Let’s talk next TDL

    20. Kasper
    21. Johansson
    22. Mazur
    23. Wallinder

    Rasmussen - Larkin - Raymond
    Fabbri - Copp - Berggren
    Kubalik - ??? - Perron
    Soderblom - Veleno - ???
    ???

    Walman - Seider
    Edvinsson - Maata
    Chiarot - ???
    ???
    ???

    Husso
    ???

    I could see Kasper and Johansson debuting next season, but we will definitely be adding in FA. That concerns me to some extent, but such is life.
     
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  31. DetroitNole

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    They'll definitely hit FA, but I highly doubt they use all their picks...I think trades happen too.

    Now for the nhl to finally give us lottery luck and Bedard...
     
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  34. DeToxRox

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    I want Lysell and Frederic or a 2024 1
     
  35. Lip

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    why do you hate Suter
     
  36. DeToxRox

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    I only included people under contract next season
     
  37. Lip

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  38. The Banks

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    Be better
     
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  39. DeToxRox

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    love HINCs coverage
     
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  41. DeToxRox

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    Excellent
     
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  42. Lip

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    I will not
     
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  43. DetroitNole

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    Getting a 1st for Bertuzzi is good but sucks he had such a down year or we could have gotten more
     
  44. DeToxRox

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    To show why the rebuild is taking so long, here are the Holland players left in the organization:

    Larkin
    Rasmussen
    Veleno
    Berggren
    Lindstrom
    Zadina
     
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  45. DetroitNole

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    Well by Pistons beat writers logic the rebuild didn't really start until this year because they just got bad contracts off block
     
  46. The Banks

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    2 1sts and a 2nd is a good return for Bert and Hronek, imo.
     
  47. DeToxRox

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    We retained 50% on Bertuzzi’s contract, so we have one more contract we can retain on for this season. I imagine we do that if we trade Vrana, Sundqvist or Suter.
     
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  48. lomcevak

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    I want to see bertuzzi win, but fuck Boston
     
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  49. DeToxRox

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    Boston pick is top 10 protected. I could see Boston falling off next year if Bergeron retires but even then they won’t be a top ten type team. I could see that still falling between 11-20.
     
  50. Vinegar Strokes

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    Hell yeah. More draft picks baby
     
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