Detroit Red Wings: Yzerplan B needed to undo this off-season

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  1. Vinegar Strokes

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    Enough with the rebuilding excuse. This will be Yzermans 5th off-season. Make the fucking playoffs next season.
     
  2. DeToxRox

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    There is almost zero path to the playoffs next year, unless you want the Red Wings to be like the 2008 Pistons. Michael Bunting is the best free agent available and he’s going to want a Copp contract. You can’t do that. And until this team finds a few more goal scorers there just isn’t a path forward when you take into account all the teams better than Detroit in its own division.
     
  3. Vinegar Strokes

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    they are 4 wins out of a playoff spot. That type of improvement is not unreasonable. Start trading draft picks and younger players for proven talent. Kasper can be the next Zadina for all we know.
     
  4. The Banks

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    That’s not how you build a contender, that’s how you keep a current contender’s window open. And Kasper and Zadina are terrible comps.
     
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  5. goblue31602

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    Yes let's try to become the Vancouver Canucks, said no one ever.
     
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  6. DeToxRox

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    In a hard cap league you have to keep a balance with your contracts. That’s why we traded Hronek. He’s been good this season, but after next season he is going to be in line for a massive payday that wouldn’t make sense within our salary structure. By the time we are ready to contend for more than just a playoff spot, Hronek would be in his 30’s making 6.5-7 mil a year, killing our flexibility. For now it’s about draft and development. And I say this as someone who was all for getting Horvat, but I also get why we didn’t want to make such a commitment.
     
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  7. DeToxRox

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  8. goblue31602

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    Is he even here yet?
     
  9. DetroitNole

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  11. The Banks

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    What’s the highest we could climb packaging 8+18?
     
  12. DeToxRox

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    Maybe 4? I just don’t know if any team would be willing to give up on any of those top four players though. So the answer is probably 5.
     
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  13. MG2

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    Kasper is playing tonight
     
  14. DeToxRox

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    And he’s centering Copp and Raymond no less
     
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  15. DeToxRox

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    Toronto is resting Marner tonight.
     
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  16. The Banks

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    Last time an 18 year old started for the Red Wings?
     
  17. Vinegar Strokes

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    It was Bofa. Can’t remember the year though.
     
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  18. DeToxRox

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  19. The Banks

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    The elite skating abilities of Wallinder at 6’4” and Edvinsson at 6’6” is gonna be fun for years to come.
     
  20. Vinegar Strokes

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    yeah. Maybe they’ll help us finish in 10th place in the East instead of 13th.
     
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  21. The Banks

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    It must be exhausting being miserable all the time.
     
  22. Vinegar Strokes

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    Keep drinking the kool aid buddy. Red Wings fucking suck.
     
  23. ~ taylor ~

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    Seider, Walman, Edvinsson and Wallinder are going to ge a great base, with Johansson, McIsaac, Chiarot, Maati and some wildcards in the system filling out the group. I'm less worried about the Wings defenseman corp between now and 2030 than any other position group. Especially if Chiarot is playing off-hand on the 3rd pairing
     
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  24. ~ taylor ~

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    Kasper lost the opening draw. Bust.
     
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    Kasper is our 2nd best center.
     
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    Kasper just covered a puck in the crease and gave up a penalty shit, which Ned saved.
     
  27. BleedinGreen

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    Well that was pretty nifty but woof at the Leaf's defending there.
     
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    Berggren! Great play.
     
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  29. DeToxRox

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    Kasper had a nice first period.
     
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  30. DeToxRox

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    Seeing the young guys all look good tonight is good stuff. Kasper was moved to wing this period but I really think he’s going to end up starting next year as our 3C at a minimum. He isn’t at all out of place.
     
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    Kasper made himself felt.

    Ozzie is a pro in the studio
     
  33. The Banks

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    Lalonde confirmed that Marco will play in the next game as well. Lots of praise from him.
     
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  34. The Banks

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    Was he moved to wing or just let Copp take some draws?
     
  35. DetroitNole

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    I know it's slow moving but enough young guys keep progressing at promising rates that I'm still high on this front office, not to mention they have a track record. May have just misjudged the timing a little bit. I still view wings in a different boat to Pistons and Tigers
     
  36. DeToxRox

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    I am guessing it turned into more of a FO thing
     
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    He played 15 mins tonight, much against the top line in hockey and held his own. As an 18 year old center playing his first professional game in NA. Future is bright.
     
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  38. DeToxRox

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    I’m really doing a 180 on what I think we do next year. This is such a bad UFA class that I anticipate is only going after a RHD like Severson or Mayfield. And it’s so hard to predict trades, so I’m going to guess we go young next season, younger than I could have guessed.

    Perron - Larkin - Kubalik
    Rasmussen - Copp - Raymond
    Berggren - Kasper - Fabbri
    Zadina - Veleno - Soderblom
    Luff

    Walman - Seider
    Edvinsson - Severaon
    Maata - Chiarot
    Lindstrom
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    Husso
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    I would guess we still look to add to our bottom six, but I am not sure we stray too far beyond this group next season.
     
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  39. DeToxRox

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    He’s got a ton to work on, but you cannot teach this kids skating ability.
     
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  41. DeToxRox

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    In fairness, Yzerman and Lalonde have tried to tank. Ned has played, Luff is on the PP. The players just aren’t cooperating, which isn’t a bad thing.
     
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  42. BleedinGreen

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    Are they unfamiliar with the idea of tanking.
     
  45. DetroitNole

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    Hockey isn't the same as basketball for tanking. Raymond 3 a, Seider 2 a, Berggren 1 g 1 a, Edvinsson a goal. I'm not going to be mad at the young guys playing hard, it's not like NHL is going to give Wings a jump in lottery anyway....
     
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  47. DeToxRox

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    trust me, the Wings have been trying to tank since the TDL. The last ten days though, Larkin, Raymond and Seider have all decided to play incredibly well.
     
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  48. DeToxRox

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    I’m curious if Yzerman is active this Summer. He’s gotta sign a RHD and a backup goalie and we still need to hit the salary floor, but based on how he handled Hronek, I’m going to guess he takes a step back and relies on internal improvement from the kids. But I would definitely assume next season gets punted on without a trade or some kind, especially when Perron and Kubalik will be sold pieces at the TDL.
     
  49. DeToxRox

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