Detroit Tigers Thread: Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here

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    Looking forward to him going 3 for his next 30
     
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    19 G, 74 AB, .203 BA, 6 XBH (4 HR), 9 RBI, 11 BB, 27 K, .698 OPS
     
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    Skubal done for the season, and probably next season too.

     
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    2nd TJ for Tarik? I'm sure that's a good sign.
     
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    Can we do it? Fifty Thirty Eight has us finishing 63-99

     
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    update. He’s 0 for his last 10 since the walk off. 3 for 30 may have been a stretch. Hitting .179 in AAA
     
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    Henning is the worst. Hinch better not be involved in this search. He should be out of a job after this season.

     
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    Most extensive breakdown of candidates I've seen from Stavenhagen at The Athletic today...

    Consider the search underway.

    As Chris Ilitch stated at his press conference last week, the Tigers are indeed expected to cast a wide net as they hunt for their next general manager. That means phone calls, interviews and a process that might not be resolved quickly. But with the search to replace Al Avila still in its earliest stages, here’s a broad examination of potential candidates, looking at both executives who make sense and some who don’t.

    The established executives
    More than any particular background or experience level, the Tigers are likely to pursue a forward-thinking GM who knows how to run a modern organization. The Tigers will attempt to fill a void in their creativity, progressiveness and correct flaws in the overall way the club operates.

    There’s no better way to find such a GM than by going after someone who is already doing it, whether that be someone who is already running a team or someone who has a GM title but serves as a de facto No. 2 on a club with a higher-ranking president of baseball operations. Many of these executives are already in stable positions and might be hesitant to go elsewhere. In some cases, there’s no guarantee their current team would grant the Tigers permission for an interview. But the Tigers must start by aiming high.

    Jason McLeod (Diamondbacks): Here’s one of the early names gaining some traction. McLeod is in his first year as a special assistant with the Arizona Diamondbacks. Prior to that, McLeod served as Theo Epstein’s chief scouting and player development executive with the Cubs. McLeod worked as an assistant GM with the Padres, where he overlapped in the front office with A.J. Hinch, and also worked under Epstein with the Red Sox. His proven success in the realm of player development makes him a natural fit, though he has interviewed for GM jobs before and never been hired.

    Matt Arnold (Brewers): Arnold currently assists David Stearns as GM of the Brewers and also learned under Andrew Friedman in the Rays system. He’s been viewed as one of baseball’s top executives in recent years, destined to run his own team eventually. Arnold reportedly signed an extension with Milwaukee last year after the Brewers did not grant the Mets permission to interview him for their vacancy. Would things be any different with the Tigers?

    Brandon Gomes (Dodgers): Gomes was elevated to the GM role under Friedman this past offseason after previously serving as one of the architects for the Dodgers’ vaunted player development system. Gomes’ promotion over the winter quelled reported interest from the Mets, and he may ultimately be unlikely to leave L.A. anytime soon.

    Peter Bendix (Rays): The Rays elevated Bendix to general manager under president of baseball operations Erik Neander this past offseason. Sensing a trend? Indeed, teams are increasingly giving executives GM titles as a way to retain their best front-office talent. Bendix is an Ohio native who cut his teeth in the Rays baseball development department.

    Pete Putila (Astros): The Astros’ assistant GM previously worked in a variety of roles in the Houston system. He’s best known for helping integrate data and technology in Houston’s baseball operations, so he fits the mold of the forward-thinking type the Tigers are likely to target. He’s one of the best candidates on this list.

    Billy Owens (Athletics): Owens is one of Oakland’s two assistant GMs and has spent more than 20 years working under Billy Beane in Oakland. He’s regarded as a top-notch talent evaluator and was a finalist for the Mets’ GM job.

    Thad Levine (Twins): Levine is the Twins’ general manager, working under president of baseball operations Derek Falvey. He previously spent 11 seasons as an assistant GM under Jon Daniels with the Rangers. The Twins have a robust front office, and assistant GMs Daniel Adler and Jeremy Zoll are also names to consider.

    Dana Brown (Braves): Brown has an excellent track record as the Braves’ vice president of scouting. He’s helped Atlanta uncover a number of under-the-radar prospects and has become a hot name in MLB circles as a result. Brown previously worked as one of the lead evaluators in the Blue Jays system and as director of scouting for the Nationals.

    Jeff Kingston (Dodgers): Kingston is an assistant GM with the Dodgers and previously spent nine years in the Mariners’ front office. His name has been mentioned in other recent GM searches, and though he’s in a great spot with the Dodgers, teams are going to keep calling to see if he’s ready to run his own show.

    James Harris (Guardians): As the Guardians’ assistant GM, Harris is one of the executives responsible for crafting one of baseball’s best player development systems. He also has an interesting background: He worked for the San Francisco 49ers and Philadelphia Eagles before moving into baseball.

    Randy Flores (Cardinals): The former MLB relief pitcher is now the Cardinals’ assistant GM and has been the club’s scouting director since 2015. He previously founded his own video scouting company, OnDeck Digital.

    Carlos Rodriguez (Rays): The Rays’ vice president of baseball operations, Rodriguez has extensive experience in player development, and his background in international scouting could be attractive to the Tigers, who have struggled with their international pipeline.

    Scott Sharp (Royals): Sharp is well-respected as Dayton Moore’s longtime lieutenant with the Royals. Now an assistant GM, Sharp worked in player development and has a wide range of front office input. It’s less clear if he fits the forward-thinking mold the Tigers seek.

    Under the radar
    The names above often get thrown around in GM searches. Many of them have interviewed for GM openings before. But again, the Tigers are going to cast a wide net and will have plenty of conversations. Don’t completely write off the idea of a more under-the-radar rising executive. Padres assistant GM Josh Stein, Dodgers assistant GM Alex Slater and Diamondbacks pro scouting director Jason Parks (a former Baseball Prospectus writer) are all names who probably don’t get mentioned enough.

    The big names
    Yes, Theo Epstein, Jeff Luhnow and Billy Beane are fun to speculate about. For now, count those sorts of big names as extreme long shots. Epstein has previously expressed interest in being part of an ownership group. Luhnow was fired from the Astros in the wake of the sign-stealing scandal and hasn’t repaired his reputation in the same fashion as Hinch. There was some smoke last winter when the Mets expressed interest in Beane, but he has never left Oakland, and it’s tough to see the Tigers being the one opportunity he would take.

    Ties to Hinch
    The Tigers’ opening is interesting in part because Hinch seems entrenched as the manager, so the idea of a GM bringing in a whole new staff seems unlikely. The Tigers would be wise to hire a GM who shares the same philosophies as Hinch, but that doesn’t mean the team is going to hire someone simply because he is the manager’s friend. Former Mets GM Brodie Van Wagenen, the best man at Hinch’s wedding, isn’t thought to be a candidate. Dodgers exec Josh Byrnes is a natural consideration, but he and Hinch worked together before in both Arizona and San Diego. Both ultimately had more success on their own. There are names above such as McLeod and Putila who have ties to Hinch, but the idea that this is Hinch’s hire alone is a bit overstated. In a perfect world, the Tigers hire the right GM and Hinch can focus solely on managing the MLB club.

    The internal candidates
    Tigers assistant GMs Jay Sartori and Sam Menzin are both bright thinkers sure to have more upward trajectory in the game. Sartori, the team’s director of analytics, and Menzin, the team’s director of pro scouting, have different skill sets and both have helped push the Tigers forward in the Avila era. But given the fact the Tigers are moving on from Avila, an internal hire doesn’t seem to make sense in this case. The Tigers need fresh ideas and a new perspective. Menzin and Sartori deserve consideration for the job, but the timing probably isn’t right.
     
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    I’m telling James Edwards on you.
     
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    And odds that the guy we hire is from that list?
     
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    I think we should change the game and hire Emily Walden
     
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    I have guardians, braves, and either dodgers guy in my top group but pretty much everyone except the royals candidate seems pretty good
     
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    Fantastic reverse jinx
     
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    Fuck Schoop. He’s trash
     
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    Re-sign Avila
     
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    What do you even ask for if you’re an Indians fan? A signed Cabrera jersey? Probably only valuable thing you can get.
     
  20. smeegsgreen

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    Hell yeah Kerry your prob better than torkelbust
     
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    at least he can hit AAA pitching. I don’t recall Torkelbust ever having 2 extra bass hits in same game.
     
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    Let’s go Brennan Bosch Jr
     
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    he’s better than Torkelson.
     
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    Yep. He can hit a fastball.
     
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    Ask around the league. Check with executives, scouts and agents. Jason McLeod has been mentioned several times. The Detroit Tigers have just begun their search for a new general manager, after Al Avila was fired last Wednesday in his seventh season at the helm. Owner Christopher Ilitch wants to hire a forward-thinking leader, and McLeod — lauded for his leadership, confidence and success in many areas of baseball operations — could be the perfect fit. But McLeod, who serves as a special assistant with the Arizona Diamondbacks, is one of many potential candidates. Before taking a deeper look, let’s examine four big names: Theo Epstein, Jeff Luhnow, Billy Beane and Brodie Van Wagenen. Detroit Tigers owner Christopher Ilitch speaks at a press conference at Comerica Park in Detroit after the firing of general manager Al Avila Wednesday, August 10, 2022. Epstein helped end World Series championship droughts with the Boston Red Sox and Chicago Cubs, but since stepping down from the Cubs in November 2020, he is believed to want significant ownership stake in his next venture with a franchise; Luhnow was fired from the Houston Astros for the sign-stealing scandal and now owns soccer teams in Mexico; Beane has been in the Oakland Athletics’ front office since 1990. Van Wagenen is closest to Tigers manager A.J. Hinch, who will assist Ilitch throughout the hiring process but isn't expected to determine his boss. They were roommates at Stanford, and Van Wagenen — the former New York Mets general manager — was the best man at Hinch’s wedding. MORE FROM PETZOLD:Tigers firing Al Avila boils down to lackluster production. But rebuild can be saved Van Wagenen, though, is not interested joining the Tigers. Brandon Gomes, the Los Angeles Dodgers’ executive vice president and general manager, is second-in-command to president of baseball operations Andrew Friedman. In January 2022, the Dodgers promoted Gomes to his current role after reportedly denying the Mets permission to interview him for their general manager opening. Gomes is not interested in leaving the Dodgers. Two internal candidates will be considered: Sam Menzin and Jay Sartori. Avila promoted them to vice president of baseball operations and assistant general manager titles in August 2021. If the Tigers hire from outside the organization, Menzin could remain with the club in his current role due to his wide range of skills. Here’s a list of potential external candidates:

    Jason McLeod Before joining the Diamondbacks as a special assistant to general manager Mike Hazen in December 2021, McLeod had been with the Cubs for a decade under Epstein and Jed Hoyer serving as vice president in the player development, amateur scouting and player personnel departments. McLeod has a relationship with Hinch and worked alongside him in the front office with the San Diego Padres. He interviewed for general manager jobs with the Minnesota Twins in 2016, New York Mets in 2018, San Francisco Giants in 2018 and Los Angeles Angels in 2020.

    Amiel Sawdaye Sawdaye, the Diamondbacks’ senior vice president and assistant general manager, oversees his team's amateur and international scouting departments. He joined the Diamondbacks in 2016 after 15 seasons (and three World Series championships) with the Red Sox. He is best known for his expertise in scouting, both nationally and internationally, key areas where the Tigers need to improve under the next general manager.

    Dana Brown Brown, who aspires to be a general manager, joined the Atlanta Braves in January 2019 as the vice president of scouting after nine seasons with the Toronto Blue Jays as a special assistant to the general manager. He also worked for the Washington Nationals for eight seasons. For the Braves, Brown drafted Michael Harris II in the third round in 2019 and Spencer Strider in the fourth round in 2020. He previously interviewed for general manager jobs with the Mets in 2010 and Seattle Mariners in 2015.

    Milwaukee Brewers general manager Matt Arnold

    Matt Arnold Arnold is the senior vice president and general manager of the Milwaukee Brewers, operating under president of baseball operations David Stearns. He has a hand in everything that happens — making him well-equipped for the Tigers’ job — and worked under Friedman during his nine seasons in the Tampa Bay Rays’ front office. The Brewers reportedly blocked the Mets from interviewing Arnold in October 2021 for New York’s president of baseball operations gig, then signed Arnold to a contract extension. He seems like a long shot.

    Josh Byrnes Like McLeod, Byrnes — the Dodgers’ senior vice president of baseball operations — has a relationship with Hinch. They first worked together with the Diamondbacks, when Byrnes, the general manager, hired Hinch as a rookie manager. They were fired together in July 2010. Shortly after, Brynes and Hinch met up again in the Padres’ organization, with Byrnes becoming the general manager after one season in the front office. Could Hinch and Byrnes team up for a third time? Time will tell, but Brynes is believed to be at a point in his life where he’s ready to lead an organization again.

    Jeff Kingston Kingston is in his third season as Dodgers assistant general manager and vice president of baseball operations. He also spent nine seasons with the Mariners and nine seasons with the Padres. Kingston focused on player acquisitions and contract negotiations in Seattle, along with overseeing the player development and analytics departments. He was a finalist for the general manager position with the Angels in 2020 and was named a candidate for the Philadelphia Phillies’ general manager opening a few weeks later.

    Alex Slater For proof of the Dodgers’ supremacy, look no further than Slater. He is an assistant general manager and vice president of baseball operations. Slater, born in 1986, is the youngest of Los Angeles’ front office contingents, which speaks to his success and bright future. Before his promotion in January 2022, he worked for Friedman as the senior manager of pro scouting, assistant director of scouting and director of baseball development and scouting. His first five years in MLB were spent with the Padres, beginning in April 2009. Many in the industry believe Slater is on track to be a general manager, possibly sooner than later.

    Pete Putila Born in 1989, Putila is younger than Slater. He is in his 12th season with the Astros and his second as an assistant general manager, focusing on player development, amateur scouting, international scouting (he spends a lot of time in the Dominican Republic) and sports medicine/performance. He is also well versed in advanced technology and applies data to his scouting efforts. Putila joined the Astros in 2011 as a baseball operations intern and has been with the organization for his entire career, so there’s an obvious connection to Hinch. This photo provided by the Baltimore Orioles shows Sig Mejdal. New Baltimore Orioles general manager Mike Elias called upon a familiar face to help rebuild the club, hiring former NASA engineer Sig Mejdal from the Houston Astros to be assistant general manager for analytics, the Orioles said Wednesday, Nov. 21, 2018. (Dan Kubus/Baltimore Orioles via AP)

    Sig Mejdal From NASA to MLB, Mejdal read "Moneyball" in 2003 and pursued a career in baseball. Now, he is the vice president of baseball operations and assistant general manager for the Baltimore Orioles. He worked for the St. Louis Cardinals to kickstart his career, then the Astros from 2012 until 2018 as the director of decision sciences. When Mike Elias became the general manager of the Orioles in November 2018, he took Mejdal with him to boost the organization’s analytics department. The biggest question: Is he a one-trick pony? Regardless, Mejdal would immediately accelerate the Tigers’ analytics department to one of the best in baseball. He worked with Hinch in Houston and thinks highly of him.

    Randy Flores Remember when the Cardinals beat the Tigers in the 2006 World Series? Flores played for St. Louis from 2004-08 and spent eight seasons (and over 200 games) in MLB as a relief pitcher. He returned to the Cardinals in 2015 as the organization’s scouting director and was promoted to assistant general manager in 2018. Before that, he started his own company, OnDeck Digital, to help players and scouts through video software.

    Moisés Rodríguez If the Tigers want to improve their international scouting department, Rodríguez has the expertise to do so. He has been with the Cardinals for the past 13 seasons, and before becoming an assistant general manager in 2017, he worked as the director of international operations. Rodríguez helped identify Carlos Martinez, Sandy Alcantara and Randy Arozarena, among others, on the international market. As an assistant general manager, he influences player transactions, contract negotiations, player evaluations, player development and the scouting departments.

    Matt Slater Slater, who has family ties to Michigan, is the Cardinals’ special assistant to the general manager and is involved in player acquisitions at the major-league level, minor-league level, amateur draft and international market. He has been in MLB for 26 years, beginning with the Brewers in the early 90s. He also worked for the Dodgers and Orioles. He is a consultant to the Orix Buffaloes in Japan’s Nippon Professional Baseball League.

    Carlos Rodriguez Rodriguez is a vice president of baseball operations for the Rays (under president of baseball operations Erik Neander), with an emphasis on international scouting. He has been with the Rays for 12 seasons, including the past three as a vice president. He previously worked as the club's vice president of player development and international scouting before his promotion in 2021. Rodriguez joined the Rays in 2010 after working as an area scout with the Blue Jays for four seasons.

    Kevin Ibach After several years with the Miami Marlins and Orioles, Ibach joined the Rays in 2012 and has been with the organization ever since. He began as a pro scout, then took over as the director of pro scouting and is now the senior director of pro personnel and pro scouting. Ibach’s name has been tossed around in general manager searches in previous years. It’s only a matter of time before he gets to run his own team. (Peter Bendix, the Rays’ general manager and senior vice president of baseball operations, is another intriguing possibility.)

    Billy Owens He is one of two assistant general managers for the Athletics under general manager David Forst in the Beane-led baseball operations department. Owens is also the director of player personnel. He became an assistant general manager in 2015 and has worked more than 20 years with the A’s. He interviewed for the Angels’ general manager gig and was a finalist to become the Mets’ general manager, both in 2020.

    Zack Minasian, Brewers Special Advisor-Scouting Zack Minasian Minasian, who is from the Midwest, has been with the San Francisco Giants for four seasons, and ahead of the 2022 campaign, he was promoted to vice president of pro scouting. His brother, Perry, is the general manager of the Angels. He previously spent 14 seasons with the Brewers and is well respected in baseball circles. His godfather is the late Tommy Lasorda.

    Ray Montgomery Don’t be fooled by Montgomery’s position as the Angels’ bench coach. He is respected as an executive and has plenty of experience away from the field and dugout, including as a scouting director for the Brewers and Diamondbacks. He reached vice president and special assistant to the general manager status in Milwaukee. Before being a bench coach, Montgomery was the Angels’ director of player personnel in the 2021 season. He interviewed for the Padres’ general manager job in 2014.

    Justin Hollander Working for the Mariners, Hollander is the only assistant manager under president of baseball operations Jerry Dipoto. He has also carried the vice president of baseball operations tag since February 2020. Hollander joined the Mariners in 2016 and took over as an assistant general manager in 2018. He is known as a strong leader and has experience in all aspects of the job, so he appears ready to run a club. In 2020, Hollander was one of the final two candidates — with Perry Minasian — in the Angels’ general manager search.

    Daniel Adler Thad Levine is the Minnesota Twins general manager and could be a candidate for the Tigers, but don’t forget about Adler, who went to Harvard, is an analytics expert and has been with the Twins since 2017. He was promoted to vice president of baseball operations and assistant general manager in 2019. Before joining MLB, Adler worked for the Jacksonville Jaguars and launched one of the NFL’s first research and development departments. (Jeremy Zoll, the Twins’ other assistant general manager, is a name to watch, too. He has a relationship with Tigers pitching coach Chris Fetter.)

    Michael Fishman Fishman, a Yale graduate and mathematics genius, is the vice president of baseball operations and assistant general manager for the New York Yankees. He is one of two assistant general managers under Brian Cashman and has led the analytics department since the Yankees hired him in 2005. He has been involved in all aspects of baseball operations and — based on the Yankees’ success — could be considered for a general manager opportunity as teams become more progressive.

    Scott Sharp What stands out about Sharp, the Kansas City Royals’ senior vice president of baseball operations and assistant general manager, is his blend of experience within the scouting, player development and analytics departments. He has worked under president of baseball operations Dayton Moore since 2006 and helped produce 22 All-Stars that arrived to MLB through Kansas City’s farm system. Sharp interviewed for the Angels’ general manager job in 2020.

    Chris Getz Getz was born in Southfield, attended Grosse Pointe South High School and played college baseball at Michigan. He played seven years in the big leagues before transitioning upstairs to the front office. He has been the player development director for the Chicago White Sox since 2017 and was promoted to assistant general manager ahead of the 2021 season.

    Red Sox pitcher Craig Breslow Craig Breslow After a 12-year MLB career, which included more than 570 games as a relief pitcher, Breslow — a Yale graduate — joined the Cubs in 2019, becoming Epstein’s director of strategic initiatives for baseball operations. He serves as the Cubs’ vice president of baseball operations, assistant general manager and director of pitching.

    Dan Kantrovitz The Cubs, under Epstein, hired Kantrovitz as the vice president of scouting in 2019. He oversees the amateur scouting department and runs the draft. Before joining the Cubs, he spent five years as an assistant general manager with the Athletics and focused on statistical analysis for the draft, trades and free-agent acquisitions. He also worked for the Cardinals.

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    Matt Boyd has pitched 2 innings this year.
     
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    Yeah so no Mize and Skubal next year
     
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    Boyd had hus surgery in March, so the timelines don't match that well.
     
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    he had his surgery in Sept last year.
     
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    Boyd had a setback.
     
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    I read his wiki wrong.
     
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    how high are you?
     
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    Medium
     
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    Hey Vinegar Strokes looks like Austin is going to hit no homers this year. Avila lost another trade


    Pulled off rehab assignmentMeadows (Achilles) was removed from his rehab assignment with Triple-A Toledo on Wednesday and will return to Detroit to be re-evaluated, Chris McCosky of The Detroit News reports.
    Impact Meadows began the rehab stint last week and appeared in four games, but something apparently feels off and he'll rejoin the big-league club for further evaluation. The 27-year-old has been sidelined by strain in both Achilles' tendons since mid-June, and it appears his return timeline is being pushed back again.
     
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    Are we comfortable rescinding the Matt Manning bust label yet
     
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    he looks pretty damn good. I will make an official declaration at end of season.
     
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    Was supposed to pitch on tv tn

     
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    The Tigers need to get these guys better beds
     
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    Hey Vinegar Strokes Julio Rodriguez got a 200M contract worth up to 400M in incentives. Tork is next up right?
     
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    hit a walk on to raise his average to .229 tonight. He gonna be getting a massive contract in no time

     
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    He’s a bust brother
     
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    He will be lucky to hit his weight
     
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