Detroit Tigers Thread: Diamonds And Rust

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  1. DetroitNole

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    Our 2014 pitching staff had 6 main SP throughout the year, Scherzer, Verlander, Porcello, Sanchez, Smyly and Price. We got swept rd 1 by the Orioles....in the 7 years since, all 6 have won a world series and 3 have won a combined 4 Cy young awards
     
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  2. MG2

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    Also in the 2014 rotation was Robbie Ray, who was awful and people crushed Dombrowski for trading Fister for him (I was one of them). He traded him for Shane Greene that offseason.

    Ray is probably going to win the AL Cy Young this year.
     
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  3. spartanchuck

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    This all makes me want to cry.
     
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  4. MG2

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    I'd say smile because it happened, but we got swept that year so nothing good ended up happening.

    The Ray part of it is kind of the perfect capper to that era, unfortunately. Dombrowski got enormous heat for trading Fister for Ray after the 2013 season and was super defensive about it. And he ended up right in the end, as Fister fell off a cliff and Ray turned into a solid #2/3 for most of his career. But he panic traded him and lost any of that value, leaving us with trash.
     
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  5. nofatchildren

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    His comments on the Fister trade were weird too. He said they only wanted "a young left handed starter" for him, which is a dumb way to go about maximizing trade value. You should take the best offer, but they didn't even entertain offers that didn't a young lefty starter, and basically limited their talks to like 1 team.
     
  6. MG2

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  8. DeToxRox

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    Can’t wait for Vin to asks Reds fans if Quintana is tired now
     
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  9. MG2

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    For confirmation...

     
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  10. DeToxRox

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    Barnhardt is basically what everyone thought Rogers would be if he hit his ceiling, right?
     
  11. MG2

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    This is the first non-deadline trade Avila has made in almost 4 years.
     
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  12. MG2

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    Less power, but basically.
     
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  13. Vinegar Strokes

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    Quintana still tired?
     
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  14. spartanchuck

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    He’ll be an all star next year.
     
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  15. Constant

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    Take it to the #Cincinnati Reds thread.
     
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  16. Brocktoon

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    future 40+ home run guy
     
  17. ~ taylor ~

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    How does Quintana have any value at all?
     
  18. Constant

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    Straight salary dump by the Reds?
     
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  19. DeToxRox

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    He has a 7 mil team option they probably weren’t picking up, so something for nothing
     
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  20. smeegsgreen

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    Kinda sucks he got traded tbh. The joke is dead now
     
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  21. Lip

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    What is dead may never die.
     
  22. DeToxRox

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    We really need to try and lock dow Correa or one of the other SS now. I am sure pressure from the owners and the PA will make it hard for either party to make a deal, but giving a stud like Correa cost certainty before a lockout might entice him to sign.
     
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  23. Vinegar Strokes

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    apparently Correra was spotted at DTW this afternoon.
     
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  24. smeegsgreen

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    Lol
     
  25. DeToxRox

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    Was he watching Quintana’s shit while Nick napped?
     
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  26. MG2

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  27. MG2

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    Reminds me of another great Detroit GM

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  28. DetroitNole

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    Dan Leach see him getting into a limo?
     
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    Candy should be signed long term for this tweet
     
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    Does MLB not have rules against this?
     
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  31. DetroitNole

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    I dont think so, there is no salary cap or anything so I dont think there are rules like that
     
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  32. ~ taylor ~

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    The salary would get averaged for luxury tax purposes, I think, so that would just help with actual cash flow.
     
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  33. MG2

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    MLB is the wild west compared to NFL/NBA/NHL. You can do anything you want, basically. No one ever does stuff like that, though.
     
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  34. ~ taylor ~

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    A de-escalating contract makes a lot if sense in that it probably comes closer to matching production and eases translations down the road, but nobody thinks about the future outside of the NFL.
     
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  35. MG2

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    Front loading deals boosts the present day value of the deals, too.

    If Ilitch is willing to do that kind of thing (which, if we're being honest, I really doubt he is), the Tigers should not offer 10/$300. Instead, they should be pushing something like 8/$280-300M. The point of these absurd 10-13 year deals guys are signing is to keep the present day AAV down to allow you the ability to spend elsewhere. If you're not saving on the present day $$, there's not really a point in paying for it on the back end 10 years from now.
     
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  36. MG2

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    For that matter, offer 6/$240. He'd be the first guy to ever get $40M per year AAV over that long a period of time. I doubt he'd take it because someone probably goes to $300M+ guaranteed overall, but he'd hit the market again at age 32 in that scenario, and could make more money long term that way.
     
  37. buckwild

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    Is there a favorite for Correra?
     
  38. MG2

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    Probably us just based on the fact everyone knows we're in that market. No one really knows if NYY, LAA or PHI are going to chase him, or whether there's still a chance Houston keeps him.
     
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  39. buckwild

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    Thanks...hard to wrap my brain around the #1 FA coming to Detroit after this long stretch of ineptitude. That would be something.
     
  40. MG2

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    No one seems to really know what Correa might be looking for in terms of next location, but just look at the markets that would normally be in on someone like this...

    NYY - need a SS, but weird fit given the last 5 years of history there
    NYM - just gave Lindor the world at that position
    LAD - just traded for Turner, who is playing SS next season
    LAA - Already paying 2 position players $35M+ per year and need pitching
    BOS - Already has Bogaerts
    CHC - Seems like they're resetting and not spending this year
    CHW - Have Tim Anderson and a bunch of other big deals in recent years
    HOU - Seems like Correa wants to leave after extension talks went bad
    TEX - Probably not spending, from the sound of it

    The most likely big market team to chase him might be Philly, but they've already got Harper for 10 more years + Realmuto's big deal. Seattle is in a similar spot to us, but SS is one of the few positions they have a decent young player already in place. If NYY or LAA jump in that might be a problem, but I just don't see it right now. Doesn't mean we're getting him, but we're basically the one team everyone knows is in play here.
     
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  41. smeegsgreen

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    Heyman from MLB predicted tigers but he said wouldn’t be surprised if Correra went back to Houston. Saw the Miami Marlins come up as a prediction spot from another site for Correra at 10 year 350 M too
     
  42. Vinegar Strokes

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    I keep getting my hopes up every time I open this thread......
     
  43. Vinegar Strokes

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    fuck him
     
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  44. Brocktoon

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    No way he ends up in Detroit for anything less than 10+ years and $300+ million
     
  45. smeegsgreen

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    Some team will overpay and I doubt it’ll be us
     
  46. MG2

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    I can't see the Marlins going to that kind of price for someone. I've seen them mentioned on Castellanos, and I could see them going for that level of guy (maybe multiple bats in the $15M range). I would be stunned if they were willing to pay that kind of $$ for anyone like Correa, though.
     
  47. MG2

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    I'm fine if we don't get Correa. If it's more than 10/$300M, I'd kind of prefer someone else pays it. My only real concern is that what we do if we don't get Correa. I don't need us panic overpaying for Story or Baez because $$ is burning a hole in the pocket and we're just looking for someone to take it. That's where FA history tends to be very bad.
     
  48. Vinegar Strokes

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    So What time should I expect the Correa to Tigers tweet tomorrow?
     
  49. MG2

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    3:30 AM. Al is a morning guy
     
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