Detroit Tigers Thread: Diamonds And Rust

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  1. ~ taylor ~

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    So basically we're hoping he's good, but not too good.
     
  2. MG2

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    I'm hoping he's awesome for 2 years, and then we can deal with the rest later. I just would have preferred if we were going to take the risk of giving him 5 years that we could at least have the potential for the reward of 5 years if he turned out to be good.
     
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  3. buckwild

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    After the Jordan Zimmerman contract, this deal looks fabulous.
     
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  4. ~ taylor ~

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    Yeah, if he's great that's fine. Maybe the player option saved some money or was necessary to get him to join this ragtag bunch of misfits.

    Frankly I don't even care. They needed some wasted money on the books for '24-'26 with Miggy's deal ending after '23.
     
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  5. smeegsgreen

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    Hell yeah pizzaboy is spending.

    Great signing. Rodriguez was in high demand.
     
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  7. Joe Louis

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    would think it's a pretty big park upgrade leaving Fenway for Comerica. ERod feels like a guy that has underperformed his peripherals so hopefully his best performance is still ahead of him ...
     
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  8. DeToxRox

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    So is Rodriguez our “ace” as of right now?

    1. Rodriguez
    2. Mize
    3. Skubal
    4. Manning/Alexander
    5. Another FA or Manning/Alexander
     
  9. Brocktoon

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    Seems like they're going go to have to sign another one or even two. Having both Turnbull and Boyd hurt really threw off the rotation timeline.
     
  10. MG2

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    I'm not sure this is a good thing. I know we all want Correa, and if it happens we'll be happy, but there's going to be a tax for signing a player before the lockout. We just paid it with Rodriguez, in all likelihood.

    I'm all for being aggressive and actually doing stuff for a change, but you can't put artificial deadlines on yourself that limit your options to players willing to sign by your drop dead date. That comes in various forms, like "giving Correa more than you should to get him now" and "going down a tier and overpaying Story because he's willing to sign now."
     
  11. MG2

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    I think they bring in another low level vet on a Teheran-type deal, and then have that guy battle it out with Alexander for the final rotation spot.

    We have a pretty deep pen and just spent 4+ months bullpening at least 2 of our 5 rotation spots. I don't think we're going to chase another starter in this market unless it was Verlander (which I really, really doubt).
     
  12. Lip

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    There was early speculation Peralta would be back.
     
  13. Lip

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    Why can’t you? As long as you get the players you targeted, you can play it however you want.
     
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  14. MG2

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    Because you're giving other people leverage over you that ends up with you getting worse deals (and, potentially, worse players on top of it).

    If you're in the "I don't care what they give him, just sign Correa" camp, or the "just give me a SS and I don't care which one" camp, it doesn't matter. If you're more hesitant about how much you're willing to pay Correa or how many SS in this class you should really chase at top of the market $$, it matters quite a bit.

    I don't blame fans for being in the "I don't care about $$" camp right now, but Avila doesn't have an unlimited budget and the decisions he makes today affect what he (or the next GM) can do down the road. His job is to care about that stuff.
     
  15. Lip

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    I’m of the camp that the Tigers have very little leverage to sign the premier SS on the market anyway, so if they’ve identified him as their #1 target then they should do what they need to do to get the deal done and not over think things or get too cute.
     
  16. Tug

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    The way player salaries inflate I don’t care how much they sign for now, or how long it’ll be. Signing someone for $40 mil a year now doesn’t matter when in three years people will be signing for $80 mil a year
     
  17. DetroitNole

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    I wouldn't hate Story....but....his home/road splits make that statement really dependent on the contract he gets
     
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  18. MG2

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    Passan was hinting pretty hard in the interview that tweet is referencing that Verlander is likely going to the Yankees, which I will not handle well (and is a terrible idea for him, IMO).
     
  19. MG2

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    Home/road splits for Rockies hitters are a lot more complicated than the numbers being what they are. In many cases, they don't mean a whole lot.

    That said, Story swings and misses a lot, which scares me, and his elbow issues this year turned him from a solid to defender to an average or below average one. If those are cleared up, I'd feel better. But he really struggled to throw at times this year.
     
  20. DetroitNole

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    Career ops of .972 at home and .752 on road is a pretty big difference for my liking. Think a big long contract for him is going to backfire. Something shorter I'd be fine with
     
  21. MG2

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    Sure, but there's a lot of context needed there. Comparing someone's home/road splits when they play for the Rockies isn't like comparing the home/road splits of someone who plays for the Red Sox or the Dodgers.

    Colorado players aren't just going from one park to the next that might be more/less favorable for them than other parks. They're playing 81 games in a place where the ball literally moves differently than it does in the 81 other games they play. Splits are almost always going to be pretty drastic from home/away from Colorado players.
     
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  23. Lip

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    He seems a tad too excited about Tiger King Season 2 IMO.
     
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  24. DetroitNole

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    He also works for TV crew so could be like Niko Goodrum re-signing
     
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  25. MG2

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    You losers can keep checking Rosenthal and Passan. I'm rolling with Johnny as my insider.
     
  26. Vinegar Strokes

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  29. MG2

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    It's not happening
     
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  30. Vinegar Strokes

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    Hell yeah Avila. Keep it up
     
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  31. Natron

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    Pssst. He’s not signing with detroit if we don’t give him a two-year opt out. Be realistic
     
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  32. Natron

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    Wtf does this even mean?
     
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  33. MG2

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    It means that Colorado isn't like anywhere else. A LH hitter might hit way better at Yankee Stadium than somewhere else because of the short porch. He's the same hitter home and away, but the results are going to vary based on the park he plays in.

    In Colorado, the thin air means it's really hard to throw breaking balls. They don't break as much as breaking balls anywhere else, and pitches just generally don't have as much movement there. That's the advantage when you hit at Coors. It's not the ballpark. It's that stuff for pitchers is just not as good. When you're constantly going back and forth between how pitches move there and elsewhere every 5-7 days during a season, it's hard to hit on the road. Especially when you're also factoring in that it's just harder on your body to play at altitude 81 times in three months than in other places.
     
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  34. Constant

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    I thought this was generally known. Like, ever since there's been a team there.
     
  35. Vinegar Strokes

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    when are we signing Alex Avila to be the hitting coach?
     
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  36. Natron

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    Exactly. Just like it's always been known that Colorado inflates hitter stats. Hence why people have hesitation being bullish on T Story.
    Do you always try to prove that you're the smartest person in the room?
     
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  37. Natron

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    If the Tigers can keep Hinch from bolting after next year, we should be safe from this kind of dumb nepotism.
     
  38. Natron

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    And if it hasn't been said already, the Red Sox defense was absolute garbage this year. (Let's pretend Detroit's defense won't also be garbage again next year).
     
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  39. smeegsgreen

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    You think Hinch is going to leave?
     
  40. Vinegar Strokes

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    Exactly why are we bitching s out opt outs. I guarantee you whatever SS we sign will have a similar clause. If they opt out that’s a good thing and means we are playing well.
     
  41. MG2

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    You asked me what I meant so I answered. I guess next time I'll know you don't want me to.
     
  42. MG2

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    Maybe I'm hearing what he said incorrectly (Harold Reynolds started talking over him at the end), but I took that to mean the Tigers were the side more hesitant to chase Verlander than the other way around.

     
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  43. DetroitNole

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    Good news on our SS hunt

     
  44. smeegsgreen

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  46. Tug

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    Pay the man his money
     
  47. MG2

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    Passan seems pretty pessimistic on us getting Correa. Maybe I'm reading into that tweet too much, but his comments earlier in the week made it sound like he doesn't really see us as players in that market. Kind of weird because everyone else seems to be suggesting otherwise (although Heyman said today on MLBN that we don't want to spend more than $300M on a SS, whatever that means).
     
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