I don’t know anything about Tyler Owens other than people on tiktok hate him because he was a piece of shit to his gf
Fangraphs had Hicks rated 33rd and Owens 35th in the Rangers' system whenever they did their list. Based on their bios from Fangraphs, Hicks is a solid hitter who sucks at catching. Owens is a small RH reliever with a big fastball and nothing else.
Hicks has 4 homers in like 360 at bats this year. What article did your computer spit out saying he’s a solid hitter? He’s catching depth for the minors, that’s it.
A catcher pending FA and we have an older prospect catcher in aaa raking who needs a mlb look, I think we would have probably taken almost anything. If either contribute at all at mlb level I think it's a win.
Flaherty actually making his start today would be malpractice. It feels like it’s 50/50 he pitches though.
Depends what his offers are I guess. Can't we qualify him and get a comp pick? Guess the decision is are we getting offered someone we value more than a comp pick next draft
I think that deal is not going to get done and think it's hilarious reading the two team threads about it. Tigers fans expecting Holliday and Mayo, Orioles fans floated ideas of completing the trade without either or Basallo and offering Norby/Stowers..... Think the only way this happens I think is if Baltimore gets desperate and I'm not expecting it. Harris folding and dumping him without a huge haul would be a fireable offense given how much team control is left
The more I've thought about it, I think the only realistic Skubal trade is with the Dodgers. Baltimore has the premium guys, but the Tigers can't just trade Skubal for 1 premium guy and hope he doesn't bust. And Baltimore wouldn't give up more than one premium guy. LAD could send a level of quality volume that I think would be the only way this could really happen.
MLB.com did three mock trades, so here is what a national guy is expecting packages to look like Edit**** just realized Beck wrote the article, so take away the national guy comment DODGERS Offer: C Dalton Rushing (MLB’s No. 47 prospect, Dodgers’ No. 1), OF Josue De Paula (MLB’s No. 62, Dodgers’ No. 2), RHP River Ryan (Dodgers’ No. 4), LHP Justin Wrobleski (Dodgers’ No. 14) ORIOLES Offer: C/1B Samuel Basallo (MLB’s No. 12 prospect, O’s No. 2), 2B/OF Connor Norby (O’s No. 5), OF Kyle Stowers, RHP Alex Pham (O’s No. 22) YANKEES Offer: OF Spencer Jones (MLB’s No. 72 prospect, Yankees' No. 2), SS George Lombard Jr. (Yankees’ No. 6 prospect), OF Brando Mayea (Yankees’ No. 9 prospect), 2B Jared Serna (Yankees’ No. 19 prospect), LHP Nestor Cortes If those were the offers presented to the Tigers, I think the Dodgers one may be the most appealing. Still not sure I'd pull the trigger on it though
I read that. The trades were made up by beat writers of the three teams. Beck just chimed in at the end to say he thought the Dodgers' one was more likely. And lol at the Yankees even being in the article. That's a laughable offer. That LAD trade is the only one I think is worth even considering there at this point. It feels maybe one name short (ideally someone like Andy Pages), but if that's the most Baltimore is willing to offer I doubt the two teams are having any kind of meaningful dialogue because that's just not close to what Detroit would need.
That's why I'm not jumping on the trade Skubal train because if the offers look like that, I'm definitely keeping him.
Dodgers top 100 prospects at Baseball America are #'s 36, 50 and 98 (Rushing, DePaula, Freeland). I agree they are more likely to pay-up, but the lack of a premium guy as the showcase asset of the trade kind of makes any potential trade stink of quantity for quality. I don't think Rushing or DePaula are likely to play premium positions like SS/2B/3B/CF, which also hurts. We already have a fair number of bat only prospects. This is why Harris and company make the big bucks, this is a tricky situation has the potential for massive failure if the acquired guys don't pan out.
Other sites are much higher on some of the LAD guys like Ryan, De Paula, Wrobleski and others. I agree it's not the same as Baltimore in star power, but that also makes it a more realistic trade in a weird way. That's why I think Baltimore is a more interesting internet/TV conversation, but LA is the more realistic trade partner. If the Dodgers offered: River Ryan Justin Wrobleski Andy Pages Josue De Paula (or Dalton Rushing) Jackson Ferris I think we would be dumb to turn that down. I don't want to trade Skubal, but that's three guys who walk into the big league clubhouse on day one (Pages in RF, Ryan and Wrobleski into the rotation), a top 50 prospect, and a good young arm in A+. That's the kind of deal that legitimately could turn the franchise around quicker even if it lacked a potential MVP or CY coming back.
If you are trading away one of the top Pitchers in baseball who has multiple years of team control left, I think you need a guy who has a high potential of being an all star ar minimum in return plus more. Dodgers can give us a few nice pieces I just don't think they have that centerpiece guy that would make me say yes. Baltimore does, and has depth, but I wouldn't play ball with their bull crap offers, you want Skubal, pay up. Which I think leaves me here
Not sure why Baltimore wouldn’t give up Holiday. They’d be front runner to win AL and World Series, and he’s blocked from playing short.
I don't have enough info about those pitchers to know if I agree. Trying to find Dodgers trade history, but are there many teams not named the Padres that empty their farm system for a trade like this? Pages's strike zone judgement probably makes him a no-go for Harris, with his K:BB ratio being over 4:1. He seems like a platoon bat and not much better than Vierling. The pitchers are tough b/c their valuations are so data driven now, and I don't know what their data looks like or how the experts would interpret it. Farris's stats look pretty damn good. We need the pitching depth help, but acquired pitching prospects so easily turn into vapor with injuries. I would think Freeland would be a key since he can at least play a position we need help in and he commands the strike zone, but the Dodgers also need a SS. De Paula is really bad in RF (he is very young though), and Rushing can't catch well enough to keep Hinch happy. That package is so risky for Harris/Ilitch I could see reluctance to take this risk for the Tigers's star player, but they'll know a lot more about Ryan, Wrobleski and Ferrris.
I'd do a trade with Baltimore without Holiday tbh, but it would include 3-4 high end guys like Basallo, Mayo and Kjerstad and a pitching prospect.
I know I've responded to this post twice now, but expanding on this, I can understand Baltimore being hesitant to give up the top prospect in baseball and don't necessarily have issues with it. It's the we won't give up any of our top 3 prospects and think it still should be enough to get the Cy young front runner with team control that I find absolutely ludicrous and delusional
If Holiday was guaranteed to end up as good as Witt, would you trade Skubal straight up for him. I know I would.
I'd trade Skubal for a package centered around Holliday without that guarantee, but understand Baltimore resistance to that. If Baltimore told us they'd include Holliday in a trade but only if it's Holliday for Skubal 1 for 1, I'd definitely think about it. I'd be more inclined to do that over taking a bunch of their middle prospects
I don’t see Ilitch spending money to pay him $40MM a season. His value would only diminish the closer he gets to FA. We can’t overvalue him, and end up getting Dawel Lugo and Jose king in two years
I hope we aren't rebuilding still in 2 years. The hope would be ideally to put out a competing for division title roster next year with an ace who could win some playoff games and see where it goes. We could still get a nice package for him next deadline if we still sucked. But we can't rebuild forever
The fear is he gets hurt. You can't just assume health with a pitcher and that 12 months from now will look exactly the same in terms of the offers out there. It's the reason why Baltimore would be afraid to trade an elite position prospect for a pitcher.
Sammons was an 8th round pick who signed for $10k back in 2017. He's 29 years old and has been in AA or higher since 2018 but never made the big leagues. He's coming up to get shelled tonight or tomorrow, but those kinds of stories are still fun when your team blows and isn't playing for anything.
nice of the Tigers to participate in the Make a Wish Foundation. I always love watching those stories on Sports Center.
Rosenthal And Tarik Skubal, you ask? “They ain’t trading him,” one rival executive said of the Tigers. “No chance they move him,” said another.