Detroit Tigers Thread: #FreeMize

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  1. DetroitNole

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    But I'm sure we'll get three more years of ST articles about he is in his best shape in years
     
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  2. Constant

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    He hired a chef!! (To make pizzas)
     
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  3. MG2

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    Miggy is currently at 2861 H and 486 HR.

    His 162-game pace this season would be...

    138 H and 27 HR (which is insane to me, but everyone else seems to be on pace for 50+ HRs this year)

    If healthy for 150ish games, he has a pretty good shot at both. His "behind the numbers" stuff is weird. He's 9th in MLB in exit velo, but he's 117th (out of 145) in hard hit%. I wonder if a new hitting coach could come in an get him to try to hit more fly balls, because his HR/FB% is still pretty normal based on his career stuff.
     
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  4. smeegsgreen

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    Fulmer really embracing the tank wow
     
  5. Vinegar Strokes

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    He’s trash man. He won’t be part of rotation next year.

    Hopefully Zimm gets some quality innings this weekend
     
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  6. smeegsgreen

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    At least W Castro can hit the ball
     
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  7. Vinegar Strokes

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    Bright spots this season. Jeimer and Willi. Beyond that, there’s not much man.
     
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  8. smeegsgreen

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    Cabrera caught fire lol
     
  9. DetroitNole

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    Willi Castro should get more ROY talk

    Even with less AB, his numbers compare favorably hitting wise with the other contenders. Has same amount of hits as Robert in 71 less AB. Only 7 less xbh too. Only 2 less xbh than Lewis in 75 less AB, and only 12 less hits.

    His overall better production almost makes up for lack of AB others have. Although I'm only talking offensively.
     
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  10. DetroitNole

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    Reyes and Jacoby Jones prior to injury have been ok too. Schoop, Turnbull, Bryan Garcia and Norris in the BP too I think I'd include
     
  11. smeegsgreen

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    Looks like goodrum is on a short leash for next year bc he was horrible this year.
     
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  12. MG2

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    I'm going to need Miggy to remember whatever PED cocktail he took on Monday and use it for the next three seasons. All of a sudden he's pulling the ball in the air and going 450 to dead center in the last five days of the season. Good timing.
     
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    I dropped him from my fantasy team. Automatic hot streak.
     
  14. Vinegar Strokes

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    That was a great loss last night. Ideally we need STL to lose a couple games this weekend, so they’re forced to play us Monday.

    We are picking 5 right now. Can end up anywhere between 3 and 8 at this point.
     
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  15. Vinegar Strokes

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    Avila gonna sign this guy in the off-season

     
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  16. Vinegar Strokes

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    I’m having a hard time buying into this rebuild, when teams like Marlins, Blue Jays started their “rebuild” after us, and are on 85+ pace for winning season. Tigers are 13-36, since starting 9-5.

    Pitching prospects are struggling, and probably another year or two away from being reliable starting pitchers. There is not enough talent on the roster, even to field a mediocre team with an expanded 28 man roster.

    Avila is hanging his hat on the farm system as his saving grace. The top prospects he is referencing he got by sucking ass and picking 8th, 1st, 5th, and 1st again.
     
  17. spartanchuck

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    You aren’t wrong, but also each rebuild is different. We had the worst farm system in the league and a bunch of terrible contacts.

    I do think it’s time to start spending soon. Maybe this off-season.
     
  18. DetroitNole

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    We sold away our farm to stay relevant and then did a poor job getting solid prospects when we traded away our guys, and had some bad luck with the better guys we did get panning out (Norris and Fulmer in particular with injuries)

    I like generally our picks lately and think there is some talent to build around in minors, but the system going into rebuild was so devoid of any talent, we are having trouble finding replacement level players outside our top picks. Going to have money to spend and another top pick this year. I'm cautiously optimistic about this team in 2-3 years being competitive
     
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  19. Vinegar Strokes

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    if Skubal, Mize, Manning, Greene, and Tork pan out, then sure future is bright. If 2 or 3 of those guys end up being busts, it’s still a 90 loss team. The rebuild is dependent upon hitting on those draft picks.

    Avila has had money before and failed miserably. You trust giving him more money to dish out on free agents. The guy is lobbying to media that Tigers should pick 1st again.


    "Since we only had five rounds, we probably should just go back to how it was this year, and we should be picking first again."
     
  20. MG2

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    This is not a defense of Avila, and one could definitely argue that they prefer the Marlins' mix of prospects/young MLBers to what we've got moving forward. However...

    Miami making the playoffs this year is a massive small sample fluke. It has a -46 run differential over 59 games. That's the 8th-worst in the league. If this was a 162-game season, they wouldn't have an 85-win pace.

    Doesn't change anything with where the Tigers are. I wish Avila was fired 2 years ago and have no more confidence in him today than I did yesterday. Just saying the Marlins' example is a miss for me. If we had stayed healthier and somehow managed 30 wins and a playoff spot this year, it wouldn't have changed my view of Avila in a slightest.
     
  21. Vinegar Strokes

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    Fair enough. I think you can do this with with a lot of bad teams, but they lost a game by 20 runs, 15 runs, and 10 runs. Take out those 3 games, and they’re even on the season from a run differential. I think if they played 162, they’re more in the 75-80 win range, but still a huge improvement from just a couple years ago.
     
  22. smeegsgreen

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    More likely Zimmermann’s final game pitching in the MLB
     
  23. smeegsgreen

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    Boyd looks like he joined the tank team too
     
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  24. Vinegar Strokes

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    Really need to find a way to lose this one tonight. With Red Sox won, we can jump to 3rd
     
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  25. Vinegar Strokes

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    We are going to get screwed if this game gets cancelled. Could drop to 6.
     
  26. smeegsgreen

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    Really need to find a way to lose one today. 2-1 KC bottom 6. Please keep
     
  27. Vinegar Strokes

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    We are picking 3rd boys. Great fucking season
     
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  28. Vinegar Strokes

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    Some intriguing options. Rocker is pretty much lock to go #1.

    Jus Fabian - OF - Florida
    Brady House - IF/P - high schooler
    Luke Leto - IF - local high school kid from MI
    Jack Leiter - P - Vanderbilt
     
  29. smeegsgreen

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    I like Leto, let’s go
     
  30. MG2

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    I'm curious to see what Leiter looks like over a full season. He's undersized and wasn't considered a consensus top 20 talent out of HS, and then everyone went nuts after a few starts last year.
     
  31. Vinegar Strokes

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    I hope he tears it up and goes #2. Want us to take a postional player.
     
  32. Vinegar Strokes

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    Take out that one bad game against STL where he got lit up, this is Skubal stat line on season. Let’s add him to one of few bright spots on season.

    30IP
    25H
    7R
    2.10 ERA
    7/34 BB/SO
     
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  33. smeegsgreen

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    Way better than Mize too
     
  34. Vinegar Strokes

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    Yep. Not even close.
     
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  35. Vinegar Strokes

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    Actually these numbers are not correct. Not sure where that idiot online got them from. It would be 14 ER. But still pretty good.
     
  36. MG2

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    Avila presser notes from today...

    - Still making a manager search list. They'll do Zoom interviews with the initial list, and then do 2-3 in person interviews with finalists.

    - Former managers and potential first-timers are going to be on the list, but no one with an Ausmus-like resume with no coaching experience.

    - Both Hinch and Cora are on Avila's list.

    - They're not renewing contracts for 7 pro scouts

    - Willi Castro will be an every day player next year because his bat is good enough that you find a place for someone like that even if he struggles defensively.

    - They like Jake Rogers on D, but still worry about the bat. He'll have a chance to make the team next year, but they'd like to find more offense at the position from somewhere.

    - Without knowing what revenues next year, they don't know how much or if they'll spend this winter. It's a day-to-day, week-to-week thing right now.
     
  37. MG2

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    At least that's what the beat guys are saying on Twitter.

    Hoping the last point is just sand bagging because they absolutely should be committed to adding payroll in a market that could be really, really friendly to a team with our lack of future obligations.

    Not sure what to make of the Hinch/Cora thing. I don't think we have the balls to hire either of them in the end, and I'm not sure if we should or not. I'd get over it pretty quick, though, if Hinch came in and we started doing pitching things like Houston.
     
  38. Vinegar Strokes

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    Lol they still bring Jake Rogers up. He’s going to be like 27 next year. Who gives a shit about him. This was perfect year to bring him up. They’ll trade him for a weak hitting middle infielder prospect this offseason
     
  39. MG2

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    Ilitch has this thing all worked out. Some next level thinking here to wait until next year to fire Avila so he can chase Theo.

     
  40. MG2

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    Somehow Theo is only 46 years old right now. That's 16 years younger than Avila.
     
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  41. Constant

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    Give him equity
     
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  42. MG2

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    One of the names Morosi mentioned a week or two ago. One of my preferred candidates based on extremely incomplete info.

     
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  43. MG2

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    George Springer just turned 31. If the Tigers could sign him for something like 5/$125M, would you do it?

    That's his age 31-35 seasons, which is obviously dicey. Especially because he's had some injury issues over the years (nothing major, though). I think I'd do it (or anything potentially less than that), though. He had his second-best hitting season this year so I'm not concerned about the sign-stealing stuff. He's still athletic enough to play some CF or do well at a corner. I've talked myself into this.
     
  44. DeToxRox

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    They finally confirmed the draft order is based off 2020 results, so we are officially picking 3.
     
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  45. smeegsgreen

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    Henning doesn’t know shit and who is it there to say teams are lining up to Hinch?
     
  46. MG2

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    The White Sox GM's comments sure made it seem like they were planning to target Cora and Hinch.

    I've already preparing myself for the reality that our next manager will be either Fredi Gonzalez or Mike Redmond.
     
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  47. Vinegar Strokes

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    White Sox fire their manager after making playoffs. Tigers keep their GM after 5th consecutive last place finish. Future looking bright.
     
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