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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Celemo, Apr 9, 2015.
I was reading a puff piece on Spencer Turnball in the Athletic and it mentioned his 2.9 fWAR, which is only a shade off of Boyd's 3.3 in 37 less innings. Boyd is 29 and has 3 more seasons under club control, which Turnball is 27 and has 5 more seasons. Norris's WAR was 2.1, he's 26 and has 2 more years of club control. I'm not sure exactly what the point of this exercise is, but if I had to bet on one of them being a good, inexpensive 4th starter for the Tigers in 2023, when Manning, Mize and Skuball are hopefully entering their prime, I'm betting that it is Turnball over Boyd and Norris.
I'm hopeful Boyd is traded at the deadline this year for a couple of position player prospects.
Another point made in the article, which I've seen reinforced elsewhere, is that Boyd is kind of a guru to the young guys in terms of pitching science and physical care. If they can get a good return for Boyd, then yeah. But I'd hate to see him shipped away for a bag of balls. There seemed to be limited interest last year.
I think the Tigers were asking for the moon last year after Boyd had a terrible June and bad July. And that was fine. If he's having a more consistently solid season this year there will be a lot more interest.
Good thing the Tigers slashed their payroll because the park is going to be a ghost town under the specter of Corona and Jacoby Jones being our everyday CF.
Previously known as the GregGohr-ovirus.
Torkelson has great power, but still has like 15 strikeouts in 45 AB
this guy could be moving up boards. He shut down Nick Gonzales who is top 5 pick
I feel like Torkelson is probably hacking more than he would like because no one wants to pitch to him.
would you take Tork #1 right now, or still on Martin? I wish Martin would get some infield reps
I would lean Martin at this point.
It's not quite as bad when you compare it to plate appearances. Not counting 15 IBBs, he's at 14 K in 57 plate appearances (24.5%). That's rough for a bat first college guy, IMO, but his K rate his first two years was 16.3%, so I think it's certainly reasonable to attribute the added strikeouts to being pitched around and a kid trying to do damage when he's there. If you add in the IBBs to his plate appearances, the K rate is down to 19.4%.
Martin has struck out twice this season (3.1%) and has a .492 OBP without the aid of all the IBBs. The low K rates don't always mean a ton, but I think it definitely backs up that Martin is the superior "pure" hitter.
I'd rather have Martin playing CF or LF than Torkelson playing 1B.
This guy can’t be serious
A 20 game improvement is still a 94 loss team. I bet they're a 94-95 loss team.
As long as we finish in bottom 3. Need another high draft pick as that’s Avilas only way of getting talent players.
MLB Pipeline ranked our system #5. From Law's list, basically flipped us with the Yankees (#6 on Law's list, #22 on MLB). Pretty much everything to do with preferring closer to the big league guys over rookie ball guys with higher ceilings, in all likelihood.
I'm assuming college baseball is done for the year for most of the country, which means we lost 114 games just so we could have the #1 pick in a year where we barely get to scout any players against good comp, and then those players will be sitting on their asses for 3 months leading up to the draft.
Well if you're looking at 3yr college guys, you'll have to go on what you already know. Seems like it gives Martin a leg up.
I think this helps Torkelson in terms of #1 overall. His performance to date was louder and Martin never really settled anywhere in the field.
Indictment of his defense, or testament to Vandy's embarrassment of riches?
Not sure anyone really knows. I've seen some people say he's really good at 3B, while others seem less enthused.
Yea I'd say the stoppage puts Tork in the driver seat
so if the season is cancelled does that mean that the Tigers would get the #1 pick again in 2021?
Fuck yeah. Hope you’re right. I bet they do some average of last 3 years, which would still probably give us first pick
So is Fenech back on the beat?
Don't think he ever left it. Whatever that story was a few months back must have been talking about a second baseball person for the Freep
haha....I was just going to ask. If, and I don't expect this to happen, the MLB doesn't play this season. Would the Tigers then get two #1 picks in a row?
Theyre not going to cancel the whole season
Law posted his top 50 draft prospects
He says right now Torkelson is the best bet to go 1.1 but it isn’t a lock
Yo Keith law. I’m copying and pasting this. Come suck my dick
1. Spencer Torkelson, 1B, Arizona State
Torkelson is the best bet to go first overall, although by no means a lock, as no college first baseman has ever gone first overall in the draft. (Two have gone second overall: Will Clark in 1985, and Travis Lee, who became a free agent on a technicality, in 1996.) Torkelson has everything you’d want in a hitting prospect – power (54 homers already in two-plus years in college), patience, and youth, as he won’t turn 21 until August.
I'm stunned by that. He's much higher on Torkelson than I would have guessed.
You'd have to hope so, although next year would probably be done with a weighted lottery.
Yeah, if it came to that, I'd be shocked if they didn't have some kind of lottery system. It probably wouldn't even be weighted.
I think the NHL is discussing getting rid of their lottery this year. Not sure if they'll do it or not though.
the #Atlanta Braves won the trade
Get it out of the way in a year where baseball will not happen
I can win things
Hopefully this is one of those TJ surgeries where he comes back throwing 95+ again
Braves always win in trades with Detroit #SmoltzCurse
Doyle Alexander went 8-0. #NoRagrets
Didn’t we get burned on the Jair Jurrgens trade? Renteria sucked
We should create a thread where we really go back and analyze trades and rank them #quarantinethoughts