Detroit Tigers Thread: That’s What I’m Torking About

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  1. Vinegar Strokes

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    Fulmer should be healthy by now, or close to it. I was thinking treat it like they did in spring training. Have each guy throw 2-3 innings per game. Then you can throw a bum like Nova out there for 3-4 innings.
     
  2. Vinegar Strokes

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    Alright boys. Who are we sucking for this year if we have a season? We may get number 1 pick by default if season is cancelled.

    Rocker - RH SP
    Fabian- CF
    Leiter - RH SP
    Leto - local kid from Portage, MI (SS and P)
     
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  3. smeegsgreen

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    Wouldn’t that be amazing to get number 1 pick without playing a season. They would have to have odds imo
     
  4. Vinegar Strokes

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    if they do winning percentage over past 3 seasons, we would still get the top pick. I’m worried that if we do have a 50 game season, Tigers go around .500 as they always seem to get off to half way decent starts to seasons then fall apart.
     
  5. smeegsgreen

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    Are they a playoff team this year?
     
  6. DetroitNole

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    Think Leto isn't that highly ranked. The other 3 and McClain (SS from ucla) are the 4 I've seen highest ranked at this point
     
  7. smeegsgreen

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    BA has Brady House at 3 to tigers
     
  8. Lipp the Gay Liberal

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    Is this serious?
     
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  9. DetroitNole

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    A Mize, Manning, Rocker, Skubal and Wentz rotation could be a lot of fun....with hopefully Greene and Torkelson holding down middle of lineup
     
  10. Vinegar Strokes

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    I think Perfect Game has him as #1 high school kid in country. Fan graphs has him #3 overall prospect for 2021 draft
     
  11. Vinegar Strokes

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    who are #1 and #2?
     
  12. DetroitNole

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    The mocks I was looking at the last few days had him more in 10-15 pick range. I think it would be risky to take a HS that high when going into draft who knows how much baseball he will have played in last year. Think you have to take someone with a little more of a track record
     
  13. smeegsgreen

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    Rocker then Leiter
     
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    Did they sign anybody in the post-draft free for all?
     
  15. MG2

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    If we end up playing 50 games or something along those lines, I believe the commissioner has a right to change the draft order, which I would expect him to do in some form or fashion. I have no clue how he would do it (some kind of lottery, maybe?), but I'd be really surprised if the owners would be okay with 50 games deciding the draft order for selfish reasons.
     
  16. smeegsgreen

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  17. DetroitNole

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    Have we still not signed any non drafted FA?
     
  18. MG2

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    Everyone has already said they're going to sign. Was surprised Cruz got over slot, but unless something flips unexpectedly they're going to sign all six.
     
  19. Brocktoon

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    but wasn't the justification at the time for reaching for him was signability? If they plan was to go overslot on that pick seems like there were a lot of higher ceiling guys on the board.
     
  20. MG2

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    There was some thought he might be under slot.

    They drafted him with the 72nd pick. A lot of people seemingly had him more in the 100-150ish range. You can't trade down in the MLB draft, and there was a 15 game season that ended in March for these guys. The difference isn't that great. It's fine if people don't like the pick. Just saying if he's the guy they liked most, it doesn't matter what everyone else thought in terms of value.
     
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    We are also one of three teams to not sign a UFA
     
  23. smeegsgreen

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    1. Kumar Rocker, RHP, Vanderbilt, 50 Future Value
    If you know one name in this draft class, it's Kumar. He became famous for his dominating performance in Vanderbilt's run to the 2019 national championship. That reinforced some of the best traits Rocker had shown in high school to get on the national scouting radar.
    At his best, Rocker's fastball velocity would sit at 94-98 mph for a couple of innings and he'd flash a 65- to 70-grade slider, though part of the reason his price wasn't met out of high school is that, especially late in the prep season on shorter rest, he would work in the low-90s and flash more 55-grade stuff. This is what he showed in his last prep outing, a playoff loss to eventual Padres draftee RHP Cole Wilcox.
    Scouts also were worried about Rocker's already-developed frame, which gave little room to project improvement to his strength/velocity, similar to his father's (Tracy Rocker) build. His dad is a former NFL defensive tackle and is the current defensive line coach at South Carolina. Rocker's velocity was down a bit from his peak in early 2020, but he projects to settle with two comfortably plus pitches in his fastball and slider, with starter command, delivery and build along with a peerless track record of success at Vandy.
    We're not talking Bryce Harper, Stephen Strasburg or David Price in terms of slam-dunk, wire-to-wire, 1-1 (first overall pick) candidate and franchise player who goes to the top 10 of a pro Top 100 list. But he's in the tier below that, until we make sure 2021 will see the best version of Rocker for a sustained period, like what we saw down the stretch in 2019 when a lot of casual fans were introduced to him.
    1. Brady House, 3B, Winder Barrow HS (GA), Tennessee commit, 45+ FV
    House has been throwing into the mid-90s on the mound and had plus raw power at the plate for about two years, with the sneaky quickness and extremely broad shoulders that make you wonder if he was built in a lab to play baseball.
    He's a shortstop now, but will continue to grow to the point that third base is his likely home. He might already have 70-grade raw power, already shows an ability to get to it in games and he has been performing well in games versus older competition for a while. His age on draft day (18.0) is younger than average for the class, to the point that House will be appealing to every sort of team preference.
    The only concern is that there is some stiffness to his swing due to his strength and some say that may give him issues with velocity on his hands, but that hasn't even been demonstrated to be a problem yet.
    1. Jack Leiter, RHP, Vanderbilt, 45 FV
    The son of Al Leiter was long a well-known prep prospect but ultimately didn't have his price met coming out of a New Jersey high school because he was a nonprojectable 19-year-old prospect who wasn't quite consistent enough. In his limited freshman season at Vanderbilt -- he's sophomore-eligible by age for 2021 -- Leiter took a step forward throwing 15⅔ electric innings.
    He still had some inconsistency, but is well-suited to Vanderbilt's progressive style of pitching development, with a high arm slot, high spin rates and a primary four-seamer/curveball combo. Both flash as plus pitches and his command was coming around as the shutdown hit.
    1. Jaden Hill, RHP, LSU, 45 FV
    Hill was a big name out of high school in Arkansas, with a burly 6-foot-4 frame, a low-90s heater and plus changeup. He came out of the gates hot as a freshman, then missed the rest of the year with a strained UCL, then later cleaned up a prep football injury to his collarbone. He came out this spring hitting 98.5 mph per TrackMan and the changeup was still plus and now the slider also was plus. There's some risk to be sure, but it's frontline stuff if he can stay healthy and perform at the front of LSU's rotation.
    1. Jud Fabian, CF, Florida, 45 FV
    Fabian enrolled early at Florida, so he's young for the draft class (which makes him model friendly) and was never draft-eligible out of high school, but is nevertheless well-known to scouts since he played the summer showcase events. For some, he was a well-rounded tweener, but he broke out of that profile with a loud Cape performance last summer, though there's arguably no single plus tool in his arsenal.
    1. Jordan Lawlar, SS, Jesuit Prep HS (TX), Vanderbilt commit, 45 FV
    Lawlar is one of the best amateur true shortstops in the world, with the lanky frame, actions and twitch scouts don't normally see domestically. He's a little old for the class (18.9) but has a track record of performance and we've seen recent high picks (such as Jarred Kelenic and Austin Hendrick) with a similar résumé.
    1. Luke Leto, SS, Portage Central HS (MI), LSU commit, 45 FV
    Leto and House have been the top prep bats in this class for years. Leto has at least plus speed, sneaky pop and an advanced lefty cut with gap power at the plate. His arm strength has given observers different looks, so that will be monitored closely this summer.
     
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  24. Vinegar Strokes

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    Seems odd that it only took $500k to sign Keith. That’s right around slot for the pick. He should have gone to college for that price.

     
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    Based on what he said post draft, he had zero desire to go to college.
     
  26. smeegsgreen

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    Good for Keith, hope he works out. Where does “too tired from college” Quintana fall on his top 15 tigers rank with now 6 more additional positional players added to the farm? Vinegar Strokes MG2
     
  27. Vinegar Strokes

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    I wouldn’t put Quintana in top 15. Prob 15-20 range.
     
  28. DetroitNole

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    1-5 I think is pretty locked in and you can debate order

    I think Paredes would be 6 on most lists

    I think Cameron, Castro, Dingler, Wentz, Rogers, Faedo, Perez, Burrows, W. Perez and Meadows are in the 7-16 range in some order and clearly ahead of Quintana. He is battling to even be top 20 at that point because there are some other guys I would still rank in there ahead of him I think, and I know as soon as I post this I'll realize I forgot someone
     
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  29. MG2

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    Adinso Reyes, Jose De La Cruz and Roberto Campos are the three big money guys we've signed who haven't made it to the US yet. I'm not sure how to rank them compared to others you mentioned, but they all probably have higher ceilings (if Campos actually exists) than most on your list (and Quintana).

    If Quintana hits like people thought he would, he'd be anywhere in that mix of players. If he repeats last year's performance whenever he gets to return next year, he's pretty much a non-prospect at that point.
     
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  30. MG2

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    As far as comparing him to this year's picks, I'd say he's probably ahead of Cruz but behind the other 5 (at least in terms of talent). Workman and Keith are both boom/bust types. Cabrera is probably similar in talent but more likely to make it because his best tool is hitting and that's Quintana's worst.
     
  31. Lipp the Gay Liberal

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    Any explanation for this besides incompetence?
     
  32. DeToxRox

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    It’s possible we just haven’t announced anything but otherwise I’m stumped
     
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  33. Vinegar Strokes

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    Has anyone good actually signed? Most college juniors are going back to college.
     
  34. smeegsgreen

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    Who’s worth a shit that would sign for $20k?
     
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  35. Vinegar Strokes

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    Exactly.
     
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  38. Vinegar Strokes

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    Let’s fucking go. Let’s call him up to the show this year
     
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  39. smeegsgreen

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    Gotta wonder how he slipped to us at 38. Sounds like a good piece with Rogers. I read Dingler’s comp was James McCann - Good lord I hope not.
     
  40. DetroitNole

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    I think i mentioned here i have a son due in October, i used to collect cards as a kid and decided to go back on ebay and buy the Bowman rookie card of all Tigers 1st round picks (Bowman started in 1989) and get the autograph version if it was an option. Figured it's something I could do every year with my son, get the new 1st round picks card.

    Anyway, my goodness there are a ton of 1st round picks I had no memory of. Luckily it was pretty cheap to put together because most the cards are worthless now. I remembered guys like Sleeth, Wheatland, Baugh, Crawford, Cornejo but I absolutely have no memory of Greg Gohr (although I was real young then), Rick Greene, Matt Brunson, Cade Gaspar, Mike Drumright, and Mike Woods.
     
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  41. Lipp the Gay Liberal

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    Gohr made the show. I remember Brunson and Drumright. No memory of Greene or Woods.
     
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    Greene was another future closer. I don't remember Woods or Gaspar.
     
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    The more I think about this plan to draft a 1B to play him at 3B and a 3B to play him at SS when they played on the same college team as a 1st round SS who his a plus defender... I want to hate it but maybe I don't.
     
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    I was planning on panning it but Alika Williams is a very good SS.
     
  46. Vinegar Strokes

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    we playing Workman at SS?
     
  47. ~ taylor ~

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    For now. And I think it is a foregone conclusion that Tork will end up at 1B and Workman will end up at 3B, but they're gonna try. The fact that ASU had a 1st round SS makes it slightly more plausible, but still very unlikely.
     
  48. DeToxRox

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    • Tigers fourth-round pick Gage Workman will come in at $1MM, Callis also reports. That’s well above the #102 pick’s $571,400 slot value. As Eric Longenhagen of Fangraphs had previously suggested, that reflects Workman’s ample leverage as a young for the class college junior. The toolsy, switch-hitting infielder played his college ball at Arizona State.
     
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    So Tork has to be taking less than full value now, right? I wonder if we told him we wouldn’t defer any payments if he signed for less?