I know it will never happen, but signing Soto, would probably generate at least 10,000 in full season ticket packages. 10,000 (average price or 50 bucks) = is about 40 million in just ticket revenue alone. not sure why we are not making a run at him, unless he has no interest whatsoever in joining a small market team.
I think he's signing for the highest bidder, and we are never going to be the highest bidder. And as much as I hate illitch and think he's a cheap ass owner, I understand there is no way we can outbid the Mets, Yanks and Dodgers on guys. I'm just expecting him to spend SOME money.
From mock trade article in the Freep... Tigers acquire: 1B Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Blue Jays acquire: RHP Reese Olson, 2B/3B Jace Jung, RHP Matt Manning, SS Jose Dickson. I think this is probably pretty close on what it would cost. I think I would do this, but Vlad is getting at least 10+ years at $30M+ per if you want to extend him before FA. There no point in doing it unless you're willing to give him that.
This was from the same story and seems way too good for the Tigers. I think they would have to replace Mize with something a lot better. Diaz wasn't great last year but is still a well above average RH hitter at 1B who would be a massive upgrade on a good contract. Tigers acquire: 1B Yandy Díaz. Rays acquire: RHP Casey Mize, RHP Troy Melton.
Do both those trades. Sign two of Walker Buehler, Nick Martinez and Flaherty (or all 3 if we are feeling frisky). Don't even think those additions would put us top 15 in payrolls next season. Skubal Flaherty Buehler Jobe Montero/Maeda/Hurter BP Rogers Vlad Keith Sweeney Vierling Greene Meadows Carpenter Diaz That looks actually like a team that could compete again next year. But that's never gonna happen
Diaz makes way too much sense for this team. Over the last three years his wRC+ split v. LHP have been (from 22-24) 160, 203 and 165. You throw him in the middle of Greene and Carpenter and you're giving them all a better situation to succeed and solving a lot of our problems. I am all in on trading for Vlad (especially if we're doubling up with Diaz) but I'll believe Harris has that kind of move in him when I see it.
I question if Vlad would want to do a long term extension in Detroit even if we wanted and could pull that trade off
I wonder what Boras considers “competitive” for a 27 year old Cy Young winner with 2 years of club control remaining. $500mm for 10 years?
I don't know. My guess is Boras would probably start at asking 10/$350M+. His guys almost never sign extensions because he doesn't want to give up that market value AAV that players usually have to give up instead of going through arbitration. Given his injury background, I think Skubal would be nuts to turn down something like 7/$245M if it was offered. But I have no clue if we would actually offer something like that.
Yeah, my point is that, after watching Boras do what he does for some 40 years, the Tigers very well could have offered a fine deal along those lines that makes Tarik generationally wealthy and still had Boras tell the beat guy that the offer was not competitive.
Team ain't spending shit and anyone who expected otherwise from this cheap ass owner got fooled. Any talk of waiting until the right time to spend was them delaying criticism for being cheap
We need any more proof our owner doesn’t intend to be serious and the "we will spend later" is all BS?
Ilitch sucks and I don't think he wants to spend. I also think part of it is Harris likely prefers not to spend and play the long game, too. And I think the continued talking points from Harris about how they made that run on the backs of all their young players is a pretty big lie. I'm just not sure if he's lying to us or himself when he says it.
Harris has to be hesitant to make long term deals and I can't blame him, because when your owner is non serious, one bad contract can destroy your whole payroll. That's still an illitch problem to me and not a Harris one. I'd assume Harris is more taking that strategy out of necessity
Agree completely. I agree with the premise that we shouldn't be going out and giving 5+ year deals to non-stars. Especially with hitters, given what we have and what is hopefully coming in the next year or two. But this organization still lacks impact guys and it's pretty annoying if they're not seeking out every opportunity they have to Dombrowski their way into at least one middle of the order bat over the next 18 months.
I still want to know the terms of the offer that Boras told someone was “non-competitive” rather than leaking the terms. And why wouldn’t you at least give Maeda an opportunity to start in ST. We’re paying him anyway, might as well make him pitch road games in the Grapefruit League.
this was exciting until I read this Players who led AFL in 2 of 3 Triple Crown categories 1996: Bubba Trammel: .328 (4th), 7 HR (1st), 41 RBI (1st) 1999: George Lombard: .302 (29), 11 HR (1), 37 RBI (1) 2002: Tagg Bozied: .275 (28), 12 HR (1), 39 RBI (1) 2004: Chris Shelton: .404 (1), 6 HR (T4), 33 RBI (1) 2005: Brandon Wood: .307 (27), 14 HR (1), 32 (1) 2006: Chip Cannon: .352 (6), 11 HR (1), 29 RBI (1) 2011: Mike Olt: .349 (T8), 13 HR (1), 43 RBI (1) 2015: Gary Sanchez: .295 (15), 7 HR (1), 21 RBI (1)
While true that this list shows that AFL numbers don't necessarily translate, Briceno is at least 3 years younger than almost all of these guys when they were there. Almost all of those guys were between 23-25 years old. Briceno just turned 20 in September. I think Wood (also 20 at the time) is the only one under the age of 23 on that list. And at the time, Wood was considered a top 5-10 prospect.
I'm curious to see how much power Briceno continues to show in the minors going forward, because while he's a big guy he hasn't had big HR totals so far in his development. He hit 2 HR in 40 games this year. He hit 7 last year in 55 games between rookie ball and low A. Liranzo, by comparison, has shown a lot more HR pop in the minors to this point that would suggest his AFL numbers are not a fluke, but he's also a year older and might have just been further along with that part until now.
putting his numbers in context with the other guys on the list, he had a .433 batting average, with 10 homers and 27 RBIs. so his average is off the charts and the power numbers appear to be a little on the lighter side
I think this tracks in terms of his overall profile and part of it is strikeouts. Wood was a top 10 prospect when he was in the minors with enormous power but struck out a crazy amount (especially for that era). In the AFL that year, he struck out 31 times in 29 games. Olt was considered a similar huge power/high K guy when he was there. He struck out 36 times in 27 games. Briceno struck out 21 times in 25 games while also walking 15 times (Wood had 9, Olt had 15). And when you consider the age gap for a 20 year old, it's a pretty fun profile if he can stay healthy.
Briceno hit .278/.381/.377 for a 123 wRC+ as a 19 year old in low A ball this year. He was .319/.402/.529 for a 140ish wRC+ between rookie and low A ball last year at age 18. He's a very talented hitter with a chance to be a star if the power is legit in games. This didn't come out of nowhere. He just missed a ton of games this year and didn't get to build any momentum because of it. Now we need to see it over a full season in the minors somewhere before everyone truly buys in on all of it.