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They have a birthday cake ice cream bar that's delicious.
Fun story about how well my company takes care of it's employees:
Had a young guy working on the floor ask for more money, company said no so he got a new job.
Our company is having issues filling orders and hired him back for higher pay. Young guy quit his job to come back. On his first day back word spread around the floor how much he was making, so a couple of the guys confronted management about it.
Management fired the young guy 2 hours into his first shift back in an attempt to pacify the other guys on the floor.
Just a disgusting thing to do. Helps literally no one.
Somebody has to move these boxes!
I could probably wfh, but I would need people's help to image me some documents. I just print stuff, hand it to a guy to go pick the order, make sure he picked it correctly, then make a tracking number for it in our system.
logistics is one of the few industries where it’s more beneficial to stay out of management because you can make more without the “promotion”
Most people realize that after it’s too late and then quit almost immediately
Hahaha jesus christ
My buddy is an idiot. He will never learn. He's their fucking lap dog. Everyone is out to get everyone at all times. Idk how he lives much longer.
I went from a salaried supervisor, to an hourly account administrator and made more money.
This part sounds like my job…
You should have a lot of opportunities right now, no?
A good reason to almost never accept the counter offer.
I’m actually up for a full time WFH job right now but I also only have 8 months left at my current job until I’m eligible for pension.
one of the biggest outrages at one of my early jobs was physicians wanting to burn down the hospital because the lunch provided for a weekly meeting changed from Subway to cafeteria catered
was amazing in a surreal and very dumb way
sounds like an upgrade
good reminder to always talk to your coworkers about how much everybody makes
Good luck. You a developer? I can't remember, I know you've told me in the past.
Naah. I’m not even really IT or at least I wasn’t until I took my current job. I do GIS so right now just doing data maintenance and admin stuff on the server side but because people keep leaving I’ve had to learn all kinds of IT shit (server maintenance, dB admin, mdm, etc).
Office culture also goes a long way towards career satisfaction. When you work with good people even hard or shitty jobs are enjoyable. But if you work with fucking assholes, then no matter how much you enjoy your work you’ll be miserable.
My company let you wear jeans on Fridays for a few months if you donated to whatever charity they work with.
Well a $100 donation for corporate counsel making $300K/year is nothing. It's shitty for the admin assistant making $45K/year.
Even for the non-religious, the Protestant work ethic is so ingrained into American culture -- you're only as valuable as the capital you generate, and your life purpose should be to make as much money as possible.
But, I see these values being questioned more and more among Millennials.
I've worked in healthcare for 10+ years, I had to shutter a large portion of the company that I was the COO for. I fired myself. With some partners we started a real estate investment firm focused on distressed property in June 2020, a year later I've never been happier and the freedom for being your own boss is unmatched.
There's subservience baked in as well "turn the other cheek", all wrongs will be righted in this next life that totally exists, etc
Short answer NO, Long answer Also NO. It has more to do with who I work for than what I actually do though
I don't like my job, but I don't mind it. Almost zero stress. It's relatively easy.
Boss and coworkers are good. Boss truly values work/life balance and traveling. 6 weeks of vaca a year between PTO and holidays. Flexible hours where I can come and go as I please during the week. I'm able to afford my lifestyle (travel, shows, restaurants, etc.). If I could get a 50% pay increase it would be the perfect job. Housing is too expensive in southern california.
what if you're the youngest person by 20 years and the only non-trump supporter in the entire office?
Let me think about it.
could be worse
my ceo declared covid over in April of last year
The funniest thing I can think of regarding my company is my ceo paying jordan belfort like 500k to teach new sales techniques in a job that has a 95% turnover rate so all the new employees learning them will likely get fired. They didn’t work anyways from what I heard.
sure would have been cool if they gave the employees like myself that $ that have been here a long time, donated it, or even set it on fire before giving it to that asshole
Every year we have some new consulting firm come in and tell us changes to make that we never make or we all became green belts one year and then quickly abandon it.
I'm currently engaged in bureaucratic, box checking, private government contractor hell. It's gotten to the point that I'm convinced our unspoken objective is to be as inefficient as possible and run up billable hours. Your tax dollars at work. It's soul crushing. I mentioned to my colleague the absurdity of our task at hand and how it had absolutely zero value add to our stated objective and deliverable and his response was, "yeah, well, it's a job."
I guess some people have the ability to turn off their ambition or need for purposeful work, but I absolutely do not and I say fuck that line of thinking. If I'm not making the highest and best use of my time I'm generally miserable. I don't have to "love" what I'm doing for work but I particularly enjoy workflow assessment and redesign to create efficiencies and data management/analytics, so this work is a double edged sword of unhappiness for me. Thankfully, I'm going to work for a client whose culture is more aligned with my values in the very near future so there's light at the end of the tunnel and I'm grateful.
The whole don’t talk about salary was propaganda invented by CEOs. It benefits them and only them.
There's a concept in Japanese philosophy called "Ikigai" that outlines the four requirements for fulfilling work/a reason to get out of bed everyday. I'm paraphrasing but;
1) You have to enjoy it
2) You have to be good at it
3) There has to be a need for it/ People have to want it
4) You have to get paid for it
If you can check all those boxes, why would you ever want to retire?
With no direct English translation, it’s a term that embodies the idea of happiness in living. Yukari Mitsuhashi explains.
For Japanese workers in big cities, a typical work day begins with a state called sushi-zume, a term which likens commuters squeezed into a crowded train car to tightly packed grains of rice in sushi.
Essentially, ikigai is the reason why you get up in the morning
The stress doesn’t stop there. The country’s notorious work culture ensures most people put in long hours at the office, governed by strict hierarchical rules. Overwork is not uncommon and the last trains home on weekdays around midnight are filled with people in suits. How do they manage?
The secret may have to do with what Japanese call ikigai. There is no direct English translation, but it’s a term that embodies the idea of happiness in living. Essentially, ikigai is the reason why you get up in the morning.
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To those in the West who are more familiar with the concept of ikigai, it’s often associated with a Venn diagram with four overlapping qualities: what you love, what you are good at, what the world needs, and what you can be paid for.
Rush hour crowds in a state of sushi-zume at Shinjuku station in Tokyo (Credit: Alamy)
For Japanese however, the idea is slightly different. One’s ikigai may have nothing to do with income. In fact, in a survey of 2,000 Japanese men and women conducted by Central Research Services in 2010, just 31% of recipients considered work as their ikigai. Someone’s value in life can be work – but is certainly not limited to that.
A closer look
In a 2001 research paper on ikigai, co-author Akihiro Hasegawa, a clinical psychologist and associate professor at Toyo Eiwa University, placed the word ikigai as part of everyday Japanese language. It is composed of two words: iki, which means life and gai, whichdescribes value or worth.
According to Hasegawa, the origin of the word ikigai goes back to the Heian period (794 to 1185). “Gai comes from the word kai (“shell” in Japanese) which were deemed highly valuable, and from there ikigai derived as a word that means value in living.”
There are other words that use kai: yarigai or hatarakigai which mean the value of doing and the value of working. Ikigai can be thought of as a comprehensive concept that incorporates such values in life.
There are many books in Japan devoted to ikigai, but one in particular is considered definitive: Ikigai-ni-tsuite (About Ikigai), published in 1966.
The book’s author, psychiatrist Mieko Kamiya, explains that as a word, ikigai is similar to “happiness” but has a subtle difference in its nuance. Ikigai is what allows you to look forward to the future even if you’re miserable right now.
Japanese people believe that the sum of small joys in everyday life results in more fulfilling life as a whole
Hasegawa points out that in English, the word life means both lifetime and everyday life. So, ikigai translated as life’s purpose sounds very grand. “But in Japan we have jinsei, which means lifetime and seikatsu, which means everyday life,” he says. The concept of ikigai aligns more to seikatsu and, through his research, Hasegawa discovered that Japanese people believe that the sum of small joys in everyday life results in more fulfilling life as a whole.
A concept for longevity?
Japan has some of the longest-living citizens in the world – 87 years for women and 81 for men, according to the country’s Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare. Could this concept of ikigai contribute to longevity?
Author Dan Buettner believes it does. He's the author of Blue Zones: Lessons on Living Longer from the People Who’ve Lived the Longest, and has travelled the globe exploring long-lived communities around the world, which he calls “blue zones”.
One such zone is Okinawa, a remote island with a remarkably high number of centenarians. While a unique diet likely has a lot to do with residents’ longevity, Buettner says ikigai also plays a part.
Pop idol grannies from KBG84 perform at a herb garden on Kohama Island, Okinawa Prefecture (Credit: Getty Images)
“Older people are celebrated, they feel obligated to pass on their wisdom to younger generations,” he says. This gives them a purpose in life outside of themselves, in service to their communities.
According to Buettner, the concept of ikigai is not exclusive to Okinawans: “there might not be a word for it but in all four blue zones such as Sardinia and Nicoya Peninsula, the same concept exists among people living long lives.”
Buettner suggests making three lists: your values, things you like to do, and things you are good at. The cross section of the three lists is your ikigai.
But, knowing your ikigai alone is not enough. Simply put, you need an outlet. Ikigai is “purpose in action,” he says.
For 92-year-old Tomi Menaka, her ikigai is to dance and sing with her peers in the KBG84 dance troupe, she told the Mainichi newspaper. For others, it might be work itself.
In a culture where the value of the team supercedes the individual, Japanese workers are driven by being useful to others, being thanked, and being esteemed by their colleagues, says Toshimitsu Sowa, CEO of HR consulting firm Jinzai Kenkyusho.
CEO of executive recruiting firm Probity Global Search Yuko Takato spends her days with highly qualified people who consider work as their ikigai and, according to Takato, they all have one thing in common: they are motivated and quick to take action.
“If you want to start a company but you are scared to dive into the unknown, go and see someone who is already doing something similar to what you have in mind.” By seeing your plans in action, Takato says, “it will give you confidence that you can do it too”.
Young salarymen (office workers) leave an office building in Tokyo (Credit: Getty Images)
That’s not to say that working harder and longer are key tenets of the ikigai philosophy – nearly a quarter of Japanese employees work more than 80 hours of overtime a month, and with tragic outcomes – the phenomenon of karoshi (death from overwork) claims more than 2,000 lives a year.
Ikigai is about feeling your work makes a difference in people’s lives
Rather, ikigai is about feeling your work makes a difference in people’s lives.
How people find meaning in their work is a topic of much interest to management experts. One research paper by Wharton management professor Adam Grant explained that what motivates employees is “doing work that affects the well-being of others” and to “see or meet the people affected by their work.”
In one experiment, cold callers at the University of Michigan who spent time with a recipient of the scholarship they were trying to raise money for brought in 171% more money when compared with those who were merely working the phone. The simple act of meeting a student beneficiary provided meaning to the fundraisers and boosted their performance.
This applies to life in general. Instead of trying to tackle world hunger, you can start small by helping someone around you, like a local volunteering group.
Diversify your ikigai
Retirement can bring a huge sense of loss and emptiness for those who find their ikigai in work. This can be especially true for athletes, who have relatively shorter careers.
Retirement caused champion hurdler Dai Tamesue to re-think the role work played in his life and identity (Credit: Getty Images)
Champion hurdler Dai Tamesue, who retired in 2012, said in a recent interview that the fundamental question he asked after he retired was: “what was it that I wanted to achieve by playing sports?”
“For me, what I wanted to achieve through competing in track and field was to change people’s perceptions”. After retiring, he started a company that supports sports-related business.
Tamesue’s story shows the malleable nature of ikigai and how it can be applied. When retirement comes, it is helpful to have a clear understanding of why you do what you do beyond collecting a payslip.
By being mindful of this concept, it might just help you live a more fulfilling life.
I’ve been doing the same job for 15 years. I hope to do it for another 15 years because I’m convinced it’s the easiest way to make the most money (for me).
The work is boring and the people are worse. I stay because I only ‘work’ 40 hours a week and the benefits/compensation is top notch.
With that being said, give me an equivalent out and I’d never touch another part of enterprise technology again.
Looks like it’s either “it’s not too bad” or “I want to die because my job sucks so much” should have been the real options here
This sounds exactly like my situation except without all the money and benefits.
I also recommend this book if you're walking around miserable everyday or even if you aren't.
sounds like a lot of you need to get into the rewarding and fulfilling field of environmental management
aka being a garbageman like me and Corch
i think most people don’t want to work and only tolerant it because they don’t want to die from starvation and don’t want to be homeless. Obviously there are a few that like what they do be even those would quit if they were able to. For a bit I had my dream job but even then I had to leave for personal reasons.
This pretty much describes my situation so I started a business with my brother in Denver. And if it continues the growth we've seen the last two months, I'll move there sometime in the future to be involved full time.
Not a garbage man but I spend a lot of time at landfills and the turnover for EMs is extremely high, don't recommend.
Worked for a hellhole call center 3PL place doing LTL (less than truckload) a year or so out from undergrad. The place thrived thanks to the recession and an endless supply of people who needed a job and were sold a bill of goods, as a naive idiot in my early 20s it took me longer to realize the bs. The reviews of the place on job sites are absolutely preposterous and clearly written by the company (to be fair I assume every company does this).
Hated my life and job at this time last year. Switched to the other side of the aisle at a firm where the managing partner is 45 rather than 65 and all of a sudden, life is grand. Making more money, working less hours, and don't hate every waking second of being at the office.
Oh and not having to log every second I work makes like exponentially better.
you do leachate management?
i did 3 months of trying to sell life insurance, annuities, and other bullshit to retirees my first job out of school. walked into the interview with like 40 other people and the guy was like "you guys are going to love it here, you can make so much money on commissions that you're going to be kicking yourself for not getting into it sooner. yada yada yada"
first day i walk in to my cubicle and they plop a book of "leads" down in front of me and tell me to start calling. it took me about an hour to realize i fucked up, so i naturally just spent hte rest of my day redialing all the numbers that were cancelled so my numbers looked good and i started looking for other jobs.
then i got fired because my boss told our team to work from home one day and i spent the whole day binge watching 24 on netflix (back when they sent cds) and when she called me that afternoon to ask why it looked like i didn't have any numbers dialed i told her it was because i didn't log into the call system before my day started so that's why. she said oh okay don't do it again - and then hung up. then she called me back about 5min later and goes "yeah i think we're gonna have to let you go."
i just started laughing and said "yeah that makes sense, i'll bring the laptop back to the office next week"
2nd week at a new job. I’m in sales, but it’s about 50% commission.
Most of the time I really like it because I work 30-40 hours most of the year and for 2.5 months a year (end of October to mid January or so) it’s a meat grinder.
Having said that, covid made the last company (and my boss and bosses boss) unbearable.
Long story short, it got so bad that their direct competition got an entire new team (and we didn’t even plan it out this way) of 5 people and we all quit on the same day and now get to run into those people everyday because they are basically fucked.
Moral of the story, don’t treat your employees like complete shit. It’s also why I have a plan in motion to be my own boss someday. I realize that will also require things that will stress me out, but I’d much rather stress at my own expense than some suit that’s reading a numbers chart and, depending on the day, make your life complete hell or schedule a meeting at the end of the work week for fucks and giggles.
I worked for a job like this fresh out of school and I went on a bender and didn’t go to work for like a week and I went back to work the next week to turn my shit in. They asked me if I was quitting. They weren’t even going to fire me lmao
Nah, I mostly do groundwater but I've also done QA on some cells/LCRS which is not my favorite thing to do.
I envy that. The bad deal for me is I can't ever shut it off completely. Vacations, nights, weekends, doesn't matter. I still have fun but being 100% accessible all the time is overall a bad thing because who wants to never be able to completely shut off?
not everyone can be in the mafia