do you actually enjoy your job/career?

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  1. Yes

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  2. No

    37.1%
  1. wes tegg

    wes tegg I'm a Guy's guy, guys.
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    I enjoy the practice of law, but I really hate billing hours. The temptation to break time down to tenths of an hour and evaluate opportunity costs is pretty tough to overcome. I’m awful about constantly multitasking.
     
  2. herb.burdette

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    Practice management is the terrible aspect of this job. My personal productivity is a factor in compensation, but it’s really not that important compared to my book of business and the profit margin on it.

    I can’t stand that aspect of it. I like practicing law. I hate managing the practice of law.
     
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  3. wes tegg

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    This. On a plane, on vacation, emailing one of my book clients about something I’m not getting paid for that easily could’ve waited until Monday. Government lawyers have it figured out.
     
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  4. blotter

    blotter Aristocratic Bum
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    currently growing a market garden to sustain.. I love growing things well and believe well grown things can be disarming. There's a lot of aggression built into our world that we don't register with or dismiss if it's pointed out, food production being one of those. I've worked an actual job less than half the time since I've been out of school, maybe 4 of the 11 years. If I can not pay housing costs and grow some bud or produce that's what I'm gonna do until I'm incapable of living like that or dead. Have been lucky to have family with unoccupied land.

    I'd be doing the same stuff in a more sane world and often wonder what that would look like.. as it is I see a bunch of people on Saturday mornings who are all too willing to throw money around while halfway dealing with sensory overload at a farmer's market after a week spent in an office. If these favorable conditions weren't there for me with my family circumstances (and no debt/student loans etc) I'd work a grow on a farm and hike/camp the rest of the year, don't intend to hold another actual job in my life.
     
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  5. Snakes

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    my cousin is an attorney and he said billing hours is the bane of his existence. he talked me out of applying to law school when I was 22
     
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  6. Whammy

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    Trying to build something, but the task is herculean. Don't sleep well, don't treat my body well (probably 20-25 pounds over optimal fighting weight), and makes having a relationship hard.

    I hope we exit by the time I'm late 30's / 40 because I can't keep this up forever
     
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  7. Doc Louis

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    Yeah throw in a beach house or two and that's very easy. It's what one of my cousins does in Charleston primarily and then does charter fishing on the side for fun.

    The hidden costs part that can suck is clean up between renters and paying for that.
     
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  8. CF3234

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    Come to the plaintiff side tegg. It’s glorious.
     
  9. bwi2

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    I would trade billing - I have weekly reporting requirements, so really it’s just a matter of being more precise - for having any paralegal support or more than one admin assistant per 20 lawyers.
     
  10. NP13

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    I hate everything

    So no
     
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  11. Volholic16

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    i know these feels. Worked at a 3PL for a bit several years ago. We were on a vacation and told my wife I couldnt go back cause I hated my boss, the nonstop shit of the actual job, and threats of getting fired. He was an absolute asshole. We hired and fired people weekly it seemed like. I got so burned out despite generally liking most of my coworkers outside of the boss. A few guys are still there and are making good money.

    I made it like a week or two after we got back from that vacation and walked in and said guys I’m out of here. Never felt better. Had that guy not been such a dickhead I might have actually stayed through a couple large buyouts.

    I like my job now for the most part (commercial realtor). It can be a little stressful at times and kind of feast or famine though, but the flexibility is great. Plus our company is small— just myself and another guy.
     
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  12. Doc Louis

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    I usually enjoy my career but the current job I'm not feeling and started looking after two months of it. They changed managers I'd report to during the interview process and the current one just doesn't get analytics and is trying to skew stuff to make the marketing director look bad and I don't want to be part of that.
     
  13. Eathan Edwards

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    Love what I do - work hours are probably the worst of anyone I know - but it’s been a fun ride.

    Definitely ready to retire as soon as possible and travel.

    I constantly need to work on new projects though so doubtful this ever actually happens. Way too ADD.

    Would like for the wife to be able to retire by 40 - that is probably an odd goal but that’s how I’ve categorized it for some reason.
     
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  14. Eathan Edwards

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    At what point would most people retire - in terms of consistent passive income streams and net worth?

    For instance - have a friend that has an equity stake in a company that nets him about 65-75k a year. He just retired, bought a camper van and has been traveling for effectively the last year.
     
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  16. DollarBillHokie

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    This is extremely dependent on one’s lifestyle. I couldn’t retire on that much per year and I certainly couldn’t do it with 100% concentration in a single company as my source of income. What happens if they sell for cash at a bad time and that 65k turns into $30k when he is 50 and hasn’t worked a job in a decade?
     
  17. Eathan Edwards

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    Agreed - I think this only pans out if you’re fully going the van life.

    But the exit structure is very preferential to the initial investors so honestly he may be sitting pretty.
     
  18. miles

    miles All I know is my gut says, maybe
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    Kinda reminds me of my buddy who used to sell real estate.

    He was making 6 figures in his mid 20’s but quit and went back to grad school to do something else, because he’d still have to bring two phones to a bar at 10 pm on a Friday night, and constantly felt like if he wasn’t working he was losing money, so he was never really off work.
     
  19. Hail Southern

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    I am in large ticket item sales

    Absolutely love my job, I think about it during the weekend and while on vacation. I probably have three days a month where I come home stressed out as shit cause something went wrong. Higher income allows us lots of vacations and allows the wife to stay home and we can live comfortable.

    Retirement accounts are scheduled for 70 but if I can keep working I probably will. Just depends on my health at the time.
     
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  20. Simon Templar

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    So I’ve thought about this some more, and this is where I think I’ve landed. Yes I like my job but I enjoyed it much more pre pandemic, and during since the pandemic we have gone public which is making the company do some pretty irrational things in my mind. Some of the things I’ve been asked to do and have my team do I knew would cause issues down the road but they wanted them done to drive the IPO higher and now are starting to come to the issues I had concerns about and it’s just frustrating.

    I know where my career path is going and I’m happy with it, make a solid warning to support my family and with this new role coming up I get to create something on my own and that I’m really excited about. I think I’m just getting stale in my current role and ready to be challenged creatively and in new ways.

    Overall yes I like my job, but I have definitely had more enjoyment with it in the past, and I hope to get there again soon. Five years and I will run all of North America so I’ll get to make more decisions and that will be good.

    With current investments and financial planning should be able to retire by 55-58 and live comfortably from there on. I’ll probably keep working though since I don’t really know anything different.
     
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  21. Hank Scorpio

    Hank Scorpio Globex Corporation, Philanthropist, Supervillain
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    Kind of in the middle, but skew towards no.

    Pros:
    - I like working with students
    - Shorter work days than most
    - Currently have a short commute
    - summer schedule is extremely flexible
    - holiday and spring breaks
    - very little oversight on day to day activities
    - good health insurance and retirement benefits

    Cons:
    - difficult/unreasonable parents
    - lazy/backward thinking administrators (think career officers from cop shows who only care about looking good to their supervisors and not actually helping anyone )
    - inept case managers/school counselors
    - no real potential for upward movement or economic growth
    - general all around thankless and unappreciation from coworkers/superiors/parents
     
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  22. dukebuckeye

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    I don’t plan on retiring, regardless of how much money I have saved up, until my kids are out of school. Puts me at 55 at the earliest, but that’s ok because I love what I do.
     
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  23. cutig

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  24. leroi

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    as a yes voter i'm not seeing the connection between 'i enjoy my work' and 'US tax system is unfair'
     
  25. dukebuckeye

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  26. bwi2

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    fuck I should change my career to top 25 richest American
     
  27. Killy Me Please

    Killy Me Please I lift things up and put people down.
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    Because shit is for the birds
     
  28. leroi

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    if i hate my job, will that fix the tax code?
     
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  29. The Hebrew Husker

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    Mentioned in my original post about how it’s becoming known that other companies are paying much better for basically the same job. Well, since last spring there’s been a handful of people who left (typically turnover isn’t that bad), so I was wondering how many people leaving it’d take for some reconsidering of pay. I guess everyone who left mentioned pay as the reason in the exit interview so now they’re doing a market study. Interested to see if anything comes of it. I doubt it, but we will see.
     
  30. ButchCassidy

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    Our location finally bumped up their starting wages because we couldn't get anybody hired, and people kept leaving, because other warehouses in the area were paying $2+ more per hour.
     
  31. PAHokie

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    Depends on how badly you’ve been hit with employee loss and how hard hiring is. My company was having a hard time getting new hires because our base salary was lower the others, but we pay 1.5x OT and I believe a lot or competitors don’t, but the starting salary was hiring hiring. So they did a study and bumped starting pay and pay across the board.
     
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  32. Hail Southern

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  33. The Hebrew Husker

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    Yeah I don’t think we’ve had many issues in terms of hiring (yet), my job is kind of weird because there’s a few people that are straight out of college but others that have been in the industry forever (I’m in the middle). Pay will obviously correlate to your experience and what not, so I think they’re able to pay enough that 24-25 year olds don’t really care it just seems like lately with the 25-35 year old demo, we’re less loyal to a company so have no issues with jumping ship for a pay bump. I think that will be where they have to adjust. It’s not uncommon to see someone retire here after working for the company for 25-30 years.

    Ive heard a couple of the guys who left, started much higher + got some kind of bonus structure added onto it.
     
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  34. bigred77

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    I enjoy my job
    But I really get tired of some of my customers
     
  35. BamaNug

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    This is my dream. Take away my $3K/month bill for mortgage + utilities and give me like $50k/year. Digital nomad life.

    I sure as hell won't retire early, but I also think the general thought of "retirement" is going to radically change with our generation. People are going to live much longer and you're going to need to work/develop income much longer into life than previous generations.
     
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  36. Truman

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    I dont enjoy my career as much as I used to, but I still love my job. Mostly because I have good bit on seniority at my company, no one really tells me what to do. No micromanaging, but there's help when I need it. There's also a ton of little in office perks that are awesome when you first start, but I just take for granted now.

    The down side to that is im extremely content to the point where I feel pretty stagnant, but too comfortable to push for another challenge. I make good money, Im secure in my position, so I dont really field other job opportunities, when I probably should just to see what's out there. My entire situation could change w reorganization or somerthing.
     
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  37. Bo Pelinis

    Bo Pelinis Not really into dinosaurs right now
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    To me retirement is not having to answer to anyone and having the ability to do whatever I want mostly whenever I want. That's why I want to hammer investment properties hard for the next 15-20 years. Once the kids are gone I want to be able to go vacation/travel/fish whenever and wherever with the structure in place to provide that sort of passive income with some involvement but not like, heavy day to day shit.
     
  38. Celemo

    Celemo Meatball's Dad
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    Do you have to sell or lease at last 80 helicopters to make your nut?
     
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  39. Truman

    Truman Well-Known Member
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    Pre IPO - fun, waste money on stupid stuff that everyone loves

    Post IPO - we need reports on everything now. Also we cant do all the fun shit we used to because... investors.
     
  40. LetItSoak

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    My wife and I are 35 and our goal is to save enough to get our "50 year old jobs" in 15 years. We would keep working but doing jobs we enjoyed that allowed us more flexibility and less stress. She wants to work at a dance studio and maybe teach classes; I would probably do part time consulting gigs throughout the year and maybe work at a golf course or something.

    When I was finishing my MBA in the evening I took 9 months and consulted 15-25 hours a week and it was glorious. I worked roughly 9-2 and got OT on busy weeks which was awesome. That was probably the most enjoyable part of my career
     
  41. jbr

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    I don’t think I’d want to retire in my 50s. I don’t have enough hobbies/interest to take up a few decades of time.

    My job is too dumb/easy to not hang on for as long as I can. I don’t particularly like/care about my job, but turning down the money would be stupid.
     
  42. NP13

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    Running 3 countries is quite the feat
     
  43. Hank Scorpio

    Hank Scorpio Globex Corporation, Philanthropist, Supervillain
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    Days like today are kind of nice. It's the first day of summer work, but I haven't been assigned my caseload yet. So I managed to take a virtual equity and trauma training this morning while doing the elliptical and circuit training at the gym, and now I'm sitting here scrolling TMB while watching the UEFA Euro. I'm technically supposed to be here for another 4 hours, but going back to having relatively no oversight day to day, I'm probably going to dip out if my caseload doesn't come in by 1:30.
     
  44. Hail Southern

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    I feel like I am wooshing big time on this post. You reminded me of my buddy that sold Gulfstream jets for a decade, that is a racket I would like to get into.
     
  45. Where Eagles Dare

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    I have a 1 year old kid. I'd like to be able to retire when he goes to College. 57 doesn't seem that bad of an age to retire. As I continue to make more each year, that number could get lower.

    At 57, I should ideally have enough investments to replicate my current income level today, which is probably more than I'd need to live on. For the moment I'm trying to push every bonus/pay increase into savings. Ideally at 60+ I'll have no mortgage or closed to paid off, my son will not be at home, & wife I can just travel and be free until 67 and we get an extra pump from SSI.

    I enjoy what I do, but 100% don't want to work any more. I could see myself maybe doing light consulting. But ideally I'd like to travel at least 50% of the time.
     
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  46. Redav

    Redav One big ocean
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    Gotta pay for health insurance which is what trips a lot of people up
     
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  47. Bo Pelinis

    Bo Pelinis Not really into dinosaurs right now
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    Premier AOC is going to get M4A passed by then so we're goood
     
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  48. Where Eagles Dare

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    That is one of the biggest things that sucks. Hopefully we aren't a complete shit country in 15-20 years and we have good health care access for those who don't work for a major company
     
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  49. Where Eagles Dare

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    #LifeHack.

    Marry a woman years younger than you and force her to work and get her company's life insurance