Do you trust Donald Trump as a possible U.S. president? (feat. immortal lizards)

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  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. wes tegg

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    Correct. That's why Eisenhower, Grant, and Taylor were such good presidents.
     
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  2. Stagger Lee

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    LOL

    Let's break that down:

    "he lies about everything. constantly. He's consistently proven himself unworthy of trust."

    I guess I never thought of it that way before. I was almost sold until I looked at the rest of your post.

    "he lied to avoid the vietnam draft"

    I didn't know this. But if it's true, good for him. There is arguably nothing more despicable about this county than it's prior usage, and continued recognition of the validity, of conscription. If the option is (a) lie, or (b) get drafted, forfeit my freedom, put my life, education, and career on hold, say goodbye to my friends and family, and be shipped to Vietnam where I will be killed or wounded, and/or forced to murder at the threat of court martial, and/or watch friends be killed and maimed, and/or develop PTSD that could burden me the rest of my life, then I will choose (a) every day of the week.

    "he built a real estate empire on the basis of debt financing and defrauding investors"

    I did not realize debt-financing is deceptive or immoral. Right now I'm in the middle of drafting legal opinions to banks on behalf of real estate developers borrowing funds. I guess I'm a lying piece of shit too. Also, not saying he hasn't defrauded investors, as you assert, but I'm not aware of that happening. I know fraud allegations were recently brought against an affiliated entity. Are there other instances I should know of?

    "he's a serial adulterer"

    That's none of my business.

    "he ran a scam "university" that defrauded students out of millions"

    I'm guessing Trump University would move to strike you as juror during voir dire.

    "he lies constantly about his networth and sues anyone who calls him out (it's hilarious that the "muh free speech" types on tmb have never called out this putz for using legal force to suppress free speech)"

    I don't know about the net worth lies. I don't have problem with him suing people over legitimate claims. If the suits are frivolous, the defendant should move for sanctions. That said, I am not a huge fan of serial plaintiffs, so I'll give you points here. To your parenthetical, Trump has never acted from a government position and, as such, has no duty to accommodate free speech. If people are attending his rallies and being disruptive and effectively limiting his ability to speak at the locations his campaign has reserved, then Trump has a right to have them removed. If they don't leave, they are trespassers, who Trump can have removed by force. This comes down to property rights, not freedom of speech.

    "he has lied so much on the campaign trail that politifact had to make a special award just to put it in perspective."

    To quote my Dawgzy friend and colleague, eHo, 'GREAT!'"

    "meanwhile, hillary has been cleared of wrongdoing by every congressional investigation thrown at her and is the second highest rated politician on politifact, behind only bernie."

    GREAT!

    "basically, you're a fucking schmuck if you trust trump over hillary"

    GREAT!
     
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  3. TheChatch

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    I'll give you Grant and Taylor, but Ike was a pretty good president, overall.
     
  4. J.R. Bob Dobbs

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    1. lying to avoid the draft is fine if you're a principled objector and objecting on the basis that you find war immoral. trump has no problem with war or violence, as evidence by all of his comments about his willingness to go to war for any reason. including to be "unpredictable" aka reusing operation giant lance. So he's fine sending other people to their deaths, just not himself.

    2. It is when you're going to be a giant hypocrite about the US's national debt. He's de-frauded tons of investors and keeps getting sued for his horseshit business practices. http://www.motherjones.com/politics...nsive-history-trump-business-deals-gone-wrong

    3. it is your business because it proves he doesn't give a shit about honoring any commitments he makes.

    4. haha you used a legal word against me. that will totally make up for the fact that he ran a giant fucking scam university.
    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/432010/trump-university-scam

    5. http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...turns-would-prove-it-and-he-wont-release-them
    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/donald-trump-loses-libel-lawsuit-232923
    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/donald-trump-marvin-roffman-casino-lawsuit-213855

    "b-b-but trump hasnt been in government!"

    he's openly espoused his desire to open libel laws so that he can silence critics. He uses frivolous litigation to bully and intimidate people who tell the truth about him. That's the behavior of a fucking genuine scumbag. Why on earth do you want to hand the power of the american executive branch to this guy?
    But seriously, excellent job trying to build up that strawman about his rallies.

    6. "yeah but i don't care about independent fact checking of his claims that has proven he's lied more than any candidate they've ever tracked since they began operating"


    Schmuck confirmed.
     
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  5. wes tegg

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    Debatable. I'm a big Ike fan, but my point was more the fact that a lack of political experience is an anomaly.
     
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  6. wes tegg

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    Lying to avoid the draft is also a crime.
     
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  7. Menelaus

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    Guys, but he's going to shake things up! He's an outsider! Insert irrelevant talking point here!
     
  8. OHW

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    You know who else was an outsider? Hitler.
     
  9. wes tegg

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    Vote Trump: He isn't really as bad as hitler.
     
  10. J.R. Bob Dobbs

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    can anyone remind me of a time when electing a candidate based on nationalist nostalgia hasn't ended in sadness for all involved?


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  11. JohnLocke

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    10 gold doubloons that Stagger Lee grumbles under his breath about the draft anytime he hears Muhammad Ali's name
     
  12. Hoss Bonaventure

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    The guy who might be the President of the United States made a reference to his dick because he got butt hurt someone said he has small hands. Nah, don't really trust him to run a country.
     
  13. Hoss Bonaventure

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    Lol, one of the guys at works is a trump supporter and said "he's either going to get some shit fixed or fuck up the whole country. Either way at least something changes."
     
  14. BellottiBold

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    wait, what? :laugh:
     
  15. Joe_Pesci

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    someone had to go first
     
  16. TheChatch

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    I bet you thought this was a good point.
     
  17. I'll Give You Asthma

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    Democratic socialism involves social ownership of the means of production in an economy, but Sanders says he has no intentions of doing that. So he isn't a democratic socialist. He's a social democrat (evidenced further by his flirtation with Nordic countries implementing social democracies), which is basically our current system with higher taxes. But he still gets all bright-eyed calling himself a democratic socialist for some reason. It has bothered me for a while now.
     
  18. JamalThomas

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    Fuck the entire system. We don't need a figure head and we don't need a hidden cabal. We need geniuses like Elon musk to form a Jedi roundtable council. A system of checks and balances, a futuristic republic we all can believe in. Not this sham of a tyrannical oligarchy we call government. Leaders not leaches.

    :jamalshewrote: 2020.
     
  19. Menelaus

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    I keep wondering what is so wrong with this country that people think Trump can fix. I mean how many white people have really had their heterosexual partners raped by drug dealing, illegal Mexican Muslims that happen to be Washington insiders? I guess a lot.
     
  20. JamalThomas

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    Dude you have to think outside your bubble. To many people here have the mentality of a southern pampered country club white frat bro. Educate yourself. You're pretty much living in heaven on earth with that lifestyle. Others aren't so fortunate we are living in hell on earth.
     
  21. Menelaus

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    What
     
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  22. Joe_Pesci

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    heh heh, i knew you'd come around on trump
     
  23. Fran Tarkenton

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    the more I learn, the more I like him. Moderate to fairly liberal.
     
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  24. OopsPowSurprise

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    And he definitely calls him Clay
     
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  25. THE REAL GUBBERJK

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    hey THERE TMB ! I once again have listened to MYSELF .
    And have become ALFA POLOTICAN 2016 .
    naw just kidding most of you-all know more than I do , but ?
    Maybe DONALD knows things like Jon does ?
    Maybe DONALD will be the standup guy AMERICA desparate- ly needs ?
    Maybe now we can finally tell the world we are back ?
    Or maybe we will be like OBAMA?
    THIS COUNTRY IS BE-COMEING RADICAL , AND I LIKE IT !!!!!!!! :chatzy::chatzy::chatzy::chatzy:.
    so ! It still all depends on swing votes and fence sitters .
    TMB this is only half-way there , if you really love AMERICA !
    AND IN GOD WE TRUST( FUCK YEAH ) we -you and I and the whole country , must see this through .
    all I know is !
    :feelsgoodman:.
    hatteras jack edit add on : just like I just thought I would just proof-read for you ?
    DONALD MIGHT NOT BE HALF BAD AFTER-ALL .
    Tune in again TMB.
    But for right now?
    this is GUBBERJK saying -
    - GOOD NIGHT AMERICA .:americanzi::americafuckyeah::americafuckyeah::americafuckyeah::americafuckyeah::americafuckyeah::americafuckyeah::americafuckyeah::americafuckyeah::awesomeface::blush::clap::gocho::heythere:.
     
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  26. TheChatch

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    Not really. Bricktop's regretful contribution just reminds of those terrible memes that would pop up on FB from time to time.

    You know who ELSE believed in a perfect society????!!!!!

    Pol Pot.

    :facepalm:
     
  27. fsugrad99

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    I trust him so little, I'm going to be forced to vote for Hillary

    That's fucked up yo
     
  28. J.R. Bob Dobbs

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    :meh:
     
  29. fucktx

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    16% of this board is retarded

    probably about the norm
     
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  30. Open Carry

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  31. THE REAL GUBBERJK

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  32. TheChatch

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    I mean...it was pretty stupid, Bricktop.
     
  33. Stagger Lee

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    Not sure why you would think that. Def not true.

    To be fair, Clay is his Christian name.
     
  34. Upton^2

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    A lot of Europe is going through similar issues

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/a-europe-of-donald-trumps
     
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  35. THE REAL GUBBERJK

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    PATHETIC. listen to you .
    how can you be in a political forum and ignore what other people say ?
    did you not learn a fucking thing ???????????
    or your just finishing your electives ?
    either way , it is not good practice.
    please for America's sake be pro-active .
    vote ! your vote counts , you count .
    you shure are vocal in here ???????
    GUBBS - GIBBS 2016 ( LOVE AMERICA TOUR ) .:usasmug:.
     
  36. Jake Barnes

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  37. THE REAL GUBBERJK

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    PREACH BROTHER .
    :usasmug::awesomeface::cool:.
     
  38. THE REAL GUBBERJK

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    OF MICE AND MEN ????????
     
  39. THE REAL GUBBERJK

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    I bow to my esteemed constituent . :bow::bow::bow::bow:.
     
  40. BellottiBold

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    so because democratic socialist != socialist democrat (in practice this feels like a fucking stupid "rap vs hip hop" point by the way) you needed Bernie to tell you that he isn't in favor of "social ownership" of the means of production.
    seriously.
     
  41. Stagger Lee

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    1. I think lying to avoid the draft is moral under any circumstance.

    2. Do you really not understand the difference between a private borrower voluntarily entering a loan agreement with a private lender, underwritten based on based on credit, security, risk of default, and other genuine actuarial standards, and which are secured by the assets acquired or improved with the loan proceeds, to a government accumulating debt on behalf of its citizenry without any means of repayment except through inflation, taxing its citizens, exploitation abroad, and burdening those citizens' heirs for generations to come? By the way, how many commercial real estate construction projects or commercial property acquisitions (other than 1031 exchanges) do you think have been consummated in the last 10 years without the use of debt financing? Better yet, why on earth would any rational person fund the project by means other than debt when the rates have been artificially maintained at near 0% for that entire period?

    3. I disagree.

    4. Trump University being accused of fraud =/= Donald Trump has defrauded millions.

    5. http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...turns-would-prove-it-and-he-wont-release-them. Can't open link. But if it's about Trump not releasing his tax returns, who gives a shit? Why is that your business?

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/donald-trump-loses-libel-lawsuit-232923
    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/donald-trump-marvin-roffman-casino-lawsuit-213855 You don't have to convince me that Trump is a piece of shit.

    I'm going to pass over your point about the straw man, because you're clearly too fucking dumb or stubborn to grasp the most basic principles of the First Amendment and property and contract rights.

    6. OK?

    It takes a special kind of retard with asinine arguments to put me in a position where I could actually be perceived as defending Trump. I've said all along that I despise Donald Trump, but this guy comes along and says that I should hate him more because he borrows money, didin't want to fight in Vietnam, commits adultery, and doesn't give adequate podium time to protesters at his rallies, among other generic accusations. Chill the fuck out and focus your attention on something a little more constructive.
     
  42. I'll Give You Asthma

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    Rap vs Hip Hop, huh?

    Not sure what I expected.
     
  43. Hoss Bonaventure

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    Hell, he still hasn't figured out how he's gonna make them pay for that damn wall. Trump Taj Mahal Part Deux
     
  44. J.R. Bob Dobbs

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    1. it's absolute not moral to avoid the draft yourself while being willing to start wars and send millions to their deaths otherwise.

    2. He wasn't taking out loans, building a project, then paying back the loans. He was taking out unsustainable loans to pay back other loans to pay back other loans on projects he never completed. He was basically running a ponzi scheme and it all came crumbling down in 1990 but he managed to get even more banks to foolishly bail him out of all the horseshit deals he made previously.

    3. neat.

    4. "just because a business that he founded and branded with his own name was found to be a completely fraudulent scam, doesn't reflect on his trustworthiness"

    ok

    5.

    How are you this fucking dense? He lies about his networth constantly, uses vexatious litigation to bully and intimidate anyone who claims otherwise and wont substantiate his claims. HE IS OPENLY LYING TO YOUR FUCKING FACE AND YOU STILL TRUST HIM HOLY FUCKING SHIT.


    6. you're a fucking moron. i understand the difference between the government suppressing free speech and private citizens "suppressing free speech". I'm calling out the average trumptard who thinks that bernie supporters are "suppressing free speech" by protesting trump, but somehow think trump isn't "suppressing free speech" by trying to bully and intimidate anyone who speaks out against him.

    If you're so much of a fucking retard that you can't understand why it's insanely dangerous to hand the presidency to someone who openly disdains first amendment protection for the press, then i don't know what to tell you. I'm done being dragged into the fucking trumplight zone where facts don't matter and someone with a 30 year history of lying at every turn is trustworthy.
     
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  45. Hoss Bonaventure

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  46. BayouMafia

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    Jesus Stagger Lee and bricktop are writing novels on this page. Do neither of you have a job?
     
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  47. J.R. Bob Dobbs

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    im done engaging with him so now i have time to get back to work beating dark souls III
     
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  48. Randy Bobandi

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    His mama call him Clay, I'm gonna call him Clay.