My thumbs can’t keep up. Good talk. I appreciate those who kept it civil. Ill check in prob with a change in opinion as I see more and have a computer to type on. If you gentlemen would kindly link what everyone is reading beyond the memo, I woluld be much obliged.
Here it is in audio form if you want someone to read it to you. https://m.soundcloud.com/penguin-au...d-by-the-house-intelligence-committee-9262019
So according to Stagger Lee it would be okay for trump to ask the attorney general of Massachusetts to investigate Warren to help his campaign? That’s what I gather from him being okay with what he has done.
Last point for the night. How do you see obstruction here?. The IG works for the president and the statute doesn’t apply to the president, does it? My initial thought is this doesn’t move forward purely on statutory authority grounds, merits aside
The statute doesn’t contemplate the president. He is irrelevant. The complaint was raised by a member of the intelligence community about a matter of national security. The statute mandates that that complaint be passed on to congress within 7 days of being found credible and urgent by the IG.
Newer info about how the administration came to learn about the complaint and the people involved. It’s a twitter thread and an article.
It has to be a matter "within the responsibility and authority of the Director of National Intelligence involving classified information." The reasons why this qualifies, notwithstanding the allegations being about the President, are described better than what I could do in the IG's letter that I linked.
That’s what he did and knowing that’s what he did you said you wouldn’t vote to impeach. What else should I gather?
As someone that has been toileting for free my entire life, I would like to learn how I can toilet for profit.
Trump asked for a foreign government to invyhis political opponent. The White House attempted yo cover that among things up. But, Stagger Lee wouldn't vote to impeach him please someone tell me I am misunderstanding him.
Ouch. To be fair I went to a bad law school and a top 10 one, so it averages out as I went to an avg law school
If you went to a top 10 law school you would have the logical reasoning abilities to know that you should have killed yourself after the beating i gave you in this topic 4 years ago. Fuck off.
Did you change something after you said you read the memo and that wasn’t enough for you to vote to impeach? If so my bad. Which “memo” did you mean the “transcript” or the whistle blower’s report?
What is there to move past? Im calling out your transparent schtick of pretending to be something other than an extreme right wing partisan. - You came from a family/upbringing of Republicans - Once you realized the Conservative movement was rooted in anti-intellectualism without any credible academic basis, you went searching for a way to reverse engineer your predisposed destination of being a radical right wing ideologue.....like every other millenial republican that pulls the libertarian charade. And its not as if any of that has been negated by you, I even gave you a fair chance to refute it tonight. The last time? you did the same thing propping up Ted Cruz who has displayed an abject disdain for the plain meaning of mother Constitution.
The impressively transparent fake reasonable schtick despite being a right wing ideologue he does got old three years ago. It's sad he still pretends
I laughed at the part about the name Beto chooses to go by being being Trump's #1 campaign issue if Beto were nominated and Stagger Lee seemingly oblivious to what that says about the Republican party.
Stagger Lee it would be great if you voluntarily removed yourself from the electorate. All of the coddling of your stupidity in this thread is leaving me utterly nauseous. This piece of shit career criminal garbage excuse for a human has been thoroughly impeachable since day one of his time in the office - he has indisputably been siphoning tax payer dollars into his personal coffers the entire fucking time - and you feel a need to sweat whether or not there's a real understanding between this lifelong con man and another head of state that a quid pro quo is on the table. Seriously? Come back to fucking earth if you intend to continue exerting a modicum of influence on governance in this country.
He said, do me a favor and also made the Biden family discussion a condition on even having a friendly perfect conversation
Good to know you vote on bad economic policies, xenophobia, jingoism and myogencistic rhetoric. Now own it
I have no idea what trump is going on about, but on its face 50k/month for a seat on a Ukrainian energy company while your pops is the VP seems similar to the grift and selling of access the trump thread has been railing against since 2016. Not sure how the right is turning that into child sacrifice or whatever batshit conspiracy they're currently spouting, but before being fact checked and learning bidens kid is a world renown expert I'm calling grift
The people I'm referring to are senators and congressmen. I'm referring to the impeachment vote. It's a political question, not one of achieving justice.
This is the most arrogant, condescending bullshit I have ever read. You sound like an insane person. You know nothing about me, my upbringing, my policy views, or how I came about them, and that is firmly established every time you call me out. I have said a lot of dumb things on this board over the last decade, and there is plenty to call me out on, but you reach man. You take things out of context and describe them to your buddies on this site in a manner that fits your narrative of me. Several times (and I believe in response to you) I have listed out my views on specific policy matters, where I clearly run counter to anything remotely considered right wing. Gay rights, foreign policy, abortion, immigration, nationalism, drugs ... . I don't know where this hatred of me comes from. I don't think I've ever been anything but respectful to you.
And to follow-up on that, Fran, I have never voted for a republican in a national election except for Bush in 2004 and my local congressman in 2018. Yet, I'm an "extreme right wing partisan" according to you. I also should remove myself from the electorate according to Belottil; I'm xenophobic, jingoistic and myogencistic according to Bud Kilmer; I am anti-constitution and anti-democracy according to Duck70; and, my favorite, I should kill myself according to Bricktop. This was all posted in the last 10 hours in ITT. WTF have I said to warrant any of this shit? I've long said Trump should resign, and I think he should be impeached on the current charge if the allegations are established with actual evidence, even relatively weak circumstantial evidence would suffice imo. But there needs to be a standard beyond what we see in the memo alone. Consideration should and will be given to dual motive imo. Impeachment and removal are big deals.
This is everything wrong with Right Wing media consumption thinking Robert who grew up in El Paso going by Beto = Bad fat as fuck Orange tv show host on his 3rd wife + 6th bankruptcy going to a foreign head-of-state to ask for an investigation on a political opponent = OK
Out of context, as always. "thinking Robert who grew up in El Paso going by Beto = Bad." Here, I was referring to the narrative being played out in the media and how it could be used against him by political opponents. "fat as fuck Orange tv show host on his 3rd wife + 6th bankruptcy going to a foreign head-of-state to ask for an investigation on a political opponent = OK" 100% not OK. I have never said anything otherwise. If I have inadvertently given an indication that I am OK with this, then I disavow it right here, right now
For someone who claims to hold the plain meaning of words paramount to all else in the universe, you sure as shit want to talk about context often. You weren't referencing any narrative or political opponent or any other 3rd party. Your intentional use of the first-person, the word I, I and I alone. i. That letter i. Can only possibly mean you were speaking within your capacity to convey your own personal feelings; not some narrative conveyed by a 3rd party. *I [Stagger Lee] question his motives* So no, I did not take anything out of context. Again, your schtick is transparent. You're one stupid son of a bitch.
Went back and looked at that post. You're right. I did say I question his motives on that matter. Lap taken in this instance. But to call that me "propping up Ted Cruz" is incredibly disingenuous. And to add the last sentence is classic Fran. Is that how you always talk to people you disagree with, or is it just an internet thing?
It might be an interesting thought experiment for you to consider why someone going by a nickname jumped out to you as problematic but this situation requires more evidence and context