And when you do that over the course of years to different people over and over it’s easier to reflexively be snarky. I generally try not to be a dick but it can be hard after a while.
Like usually the conversations on here with the holdouts are in bad faith so it’s easy to just assume bad faith even though I think Stagger isn’t a bad or stupid guy. Just a guy who is willfully deluding himself because of ideology. Been there so it’s easy to point out
Any honest person -- or at least any person who understands the definition of "fascism" and "white supremacy" -- understands that the Republican platform doesn't support those ideologies. A small alt-right fringe that vote Republican doesn't change the party platform. Besides, I've never voted strictly along party lines. I vote based on the candidate and would never support a candidate I knew to have fascist or racist views. I regret voting for Trump in his first election. I didn't vote for him against Biden. The guy is insane, and I acknowledge that. I called for his resignation two months into his presidency. I take Trump on an ala carte basis. Sometimes I agree with his policies (but almost never on his reasoning); sometimes I don't. But I have always thought of him as a buffoon and, over the years, increasingly came to understand how dangerous he is. He certainly isn't someone I want leading the country.
Yeah I always end up feeling bad but like I find the positions themselves to be so absurd that it's hard not to condescend, especially online.
How ideologically blinded does one have to be in 2022 to still believe the Courtjust interprets the laws and hasn’t become a body that has completely supplanted congress?
Explain voting for someone whom you always thought a buffoon, over Hilary Clinton, one of the most qualified candidates in history whose policies are center right.
didnt the Republican Party opt against having a party platform in 2020? Like, legitimately, in all seriousness, the GOP convention decided that whatever Trump said was the party's platform. That actually happened 18-ish months ago.
Also party platform is a mostly irrelevant measurement. Look at what they actually do and endorse. Not what they say they are.
Because I don't agree with any of her policies? With Trump, I thought I would get a non-interventionist president who would perhaps tilt the balance on the SCOTUS, and I was willing to look past how unsavory and divisive his rhetoric was. I understand I woefully underestimated him.
I disagree that Ethnic Identity and/or Nationalism do not play a part in Republican discourse. At minimum...The 1st, and 2nd, most Influential Republican Party leaders both have made Ethnicity and Nationalistic Ideals a pillar of Republican thought. I suppose we need an accepted definition of Fascism to throw around that term, but thats how I surface-level define it. And you are in denialism beyond comprehension if you can't see
I find it a little confusing that you go so in the weeds on judicial ideology but can't or won't scratch the surface of gop animating ideology
He certainly did tilt scotus. Do you think willfully ignoring stare decisis to allow for abortion rights to be minimized in Texas is a good result of that imbalance?
This is why the blinded by ideology shit is so clear to us, Stagger. It's obvious to anyone with eyes that racism is one of the fundamental principles dictating Republican political action. So therefore you must not have eyes
I would regard the Latter as more of a well-founded guide to evaluating the Republican party than the Former. Its also less abstract, more tangible, etc. So if we are going to play in the sandbox of Republican lunacy Im going with the more official formal things.
I've discussed this in length in other posts. I'll try and touch back on this later, but I have to get back to work for now.
If we're going by general policy, as in actual behavior vs rhetoric, that makes Republicans even worse.
The party platform promotes black/latino voter suppresplatform. They support minority rule through any means necessary. You can argue its not a "conservative" platform but it's a key component of the Republican platform.
Anyone that’s paid attention to the party knows that it does support white supremacy and fascism. The Republican Party came out in favor of Nationalism for christs sake. The party has completely abandoned the libertarian view on immigration and no proudly supports racial preferences of Northern European immigrants over people from predominantly black or brown countries. The Party’s entire response to Obama being elected was not to become more welcoming of minorities but to instead pass laws and redistrict to minimize minority voting and voice in government. They didn’t even bother drawing up a lay form at their 2020 convention, instead choosing to invest total authority in Donald Trump. 147 Republican lawmakers voted to overturn the election results after their leader sent a mob to the capitol. They are a profoundly illiberal, authoritarian, nationalist party that strives to make America as white as possible. They are a fascist, white nationalist party - and it’s obvious that that’s what they are at this point. It isn’t the fringe. That’s them.
Saying it's a small alt right fringe when it includes the former president and most his administration and the most overt elected officials are coddled by leadership who go hardline against any member who criticizes Trump and most the high profile fights over the last few years have been around the whitening of America and the most watched gop host is an overt white nationalist and I can do this for perpetuity...
The Republican Party has been pretty intentionally white supremacist since at least Reagan. Probably Nixon
Yeah, I mean, yeah what else can you say, that’a just who they are now and Stagger is just wrong Didn’t someone mention your dad is a hard right winger Stagger Lee I can understand why it can be hard to break away due to family ties but don’t lie to yourself for their sake
Did you vote for Trump? If so, you supported plenty of fascist policies. And btw, that balanced SC handed down a decision that Biden cannot overturn Trump’s immigration policies, but I know that makes you happy because they will enforce all the racist policies that you voted for.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan's_Neshoba_County_Fair_"states'_rights"_speech Def no white nationalism to see here tho
You’re joking, right? If you are not, then you must be one of those people who believes something is racist when the racist themselves declare the actions to be racist. How the heck do you really believe that the Republican Party doesn’t support racist policies? The party that passed laws to allow people to run over protestors after the BLM protest but somehow support the anti-mask protests are somehow not racist? The party targeting black people’s voting rights are not racist?
Remember when the governor of Alabama passed a voting ID bill and then shut down DMVs in counties with big portions of black voters? Remember when republicans in NC asked voting boards what day of the week do blacks go to the polls during early voting and then proceeded to shut down the polls on said day? Remember when republicans on the SC court deemed that to not be racist because they were targeting black voters because of party affiliation and not because of race. Remember when republicans refused to certify the votes in Detroit, Milwaukee, Philadelphia and Atlanta? So many examples of non-racist/white suprematist policies.
It’s amazing how the unwillingness to see your family for what they are can blind you to what’s going on out here
Accidental racist policies are still racist policies, you can’t pretend that you don’t support racist policies and be okay with the policies that I listed.
Those are called facially neutral/disparate impact laws. There’s a whole body of SC jurisprudence about certain laws disparately impacting minorities. Those cases were to combat states going mask on and trying to say laws weren’t intended as racism but they just impacted minorities more than other groups unintentionally
sure he was a genocidal sociopath and it’s likely apocryphal but andy jackson dropping “John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it!” is the correct mindset
this is one of the best take-downs ive seen of the republicans over the last few years. well said and reasonably succinct.
remember when Jake Barnes got bamboozled into starting a thread about Hillary Clinton b/c he thought there were legitimate national security concerns vis a vis her Email Hygiene Practice? I thank him for this thread