Doesn’t sound like Bobby Bowden is doing so well

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  1. kennypowers

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    If you support Trump, you are telling me that you are totally fine with the absolute atrocities that we are committing on the southern border. The trump administration coordinated a plan to separate children from their parents and keep them in terrible conditions. I’m a parent, I could not imagine that pain.

    I don’t have to infer that you agree with that policy, you’re telling me that by your support.

    That’s only one of many policies that I could have highlighted too, not even getting into the whole white supremacy thing at home.

    So Trump supporters like Bowden are telling me they don’t value others lives, particularly brown people that had the unfortunate luck of not being born in these weird boundaries that we defined to make this country. How dare them.

    So forgive me for not valuing his life because he was a college football coach, which means fucking nothing in the grand scheme of life.
     
  2. og

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    I think the 'unifying principle' is a bit of a stretch to what you are inferring. I do agree that the unsavories you refer to are found to be on the republican side but its projection onto the entire party is feinting ignorance.
     
  3. Daniel Ocean

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    Once I learn someone is a Trump supporter it colors my opinion about that individual. I just can’t get past that.
     
  4. Bricktop the white

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    fuck off stupid government taking all my money to give to obamaphone welfare queens they should just bootstraps their way to wealth i want my money only going to worthy causes such as a trillion dollar weapons boondoggles that enrich lockheed executives.
     
  5. og

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    I think they all work fine except at solving the actual problem they are seeking to eradicate. The smaller the community the more socialist I get. I just think the united states is too large (mainly in geography leading to differences in the way people live) to govern with social programs. I am not that smart though so I definitely see the negatives the other way I am going as well. I think the idea of the united states has gotten to far away from the state level. I think the federal government should just be there to provide national defense, collect taxes, and protect the rights of citizens so that states cannot take away a right (like abortion).
     
  6. og

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    Also can you provide suggested reading?
     
  7. Daniel Ocean

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    I’ve never agreed with any republican policies so take this fwiw but the gop is no the party of trump. Their underlying principles aren’t there any more. Maybe they’ll come back if he loses but right now they aren’t there. You (not you personally but in general) aren’t supporting those principles right now by supporting the GOP you’re supporting the hateful xenophobic policies of Miller and Trump.
     
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  8. og

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    Do you choose to ignore the fact those camps were built under Obama and when he ran for president he was starkly supporting legal immigration over unrestricted border crossing? I agree trump should be fixing the situation there and is undeniably heavy fisted in his ignorance of the suffering of people there. I also think drug cartels leverage these poor people and intentionally use immigration caravans with complete intention of them being caught as a distraction while they smuggle drugs. The whole thing is fucked and trump is fucking it up big time.
     
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  9. og

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    I agree.
     
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  11. letan

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    Sooooo how’s ole Bobby doing??
     
  12. Lyrtch

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    but just as a rule economies of scale make larger programs more efficient so in reality global socialism would be by far the most effective pathway right?

    i hesitate to mention this, but the broad expansion of the beliefs you're expressing here (government works better the smaller it is, only local control, states rights, etc) have always been based in unsavory practices as the reasons, those reasons have been somewhat shed but not entirely and just replaced with historical ideological beliefs that aren't really supported by any evidence. BUT it is a good reason for making social welfare programs universal as it'll fit all different situations.

    most recently medicaid expansion has been one of the most impactful policies in a positive way going back to the 70's

    https://www.kff.org/medicaid/report...ca-updated-findings-from-a-literature-review/

    the CARES act, Dems getting the $600 weekly extra, was a good example of how UBI or just giving people money basically solves poverty. its maybe the most overt recent example of how we could address these things easily (and with more than $1/$1 return on expenditures). just guarantee baseline income for folks and homelessness and the literal generational trauma that poverty puts on people, especially children who are just born unlucky, is gone.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/21/us/politics/coronavirus-poverty.html

    but you can go back to social security in the 30's largely eradicating elderly homelessness, Medicare largely resolving financial hardship for the elderly (until prescription costs skyrocketed over the last 15 years), we just have to strip the age or disability gaps for these things.
     
  13. Daniel Ocean

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    The Obama administration didn’t have and create a policy of family separation. The trump administration created that as a deterrent and punishment to people looking for better lives that’s beyond cruel and fucked up. The drug mule thing is over blown. Most drugs are smuggled in through legal ports of entry. The drug mule thing is immigrant fear mongering.
     
  14. Lyrtch

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    this is stupendously off base, trumps entire legislation history is republican ideology dating back 40 years

    the only sidestep trump made is more overt immigration restrictionism but is ideologically centered on the GOP history of trying to entrench white minority rule
     
  15. Daniel Ocean

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    fair enough.
     
  16. kennypowers

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    I’m not going to do the homework for you, because this will be a good exercise for you. I strongly encourage you to go look at the POLICIES of the two administrations at the border and what was mandated by each admins DHS on the treatment of border crossers.
     
  17. bwi2

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    The shitbag Border Patrol and ICE police unions didn’t shill for Trump because they thought Obama’s immigration policies were too tough
     
  18. steamengine

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    I think your geography take is reasonable and if all 50 states managed social welfare programs in good faith I could get down with that. But if you look at basically any metric of state governments who are hostile to social welfare and where their populations fall in terms of health and well being it’ll give you an idea of why we need the scale of the federal government to do a lot of this stuff.
     
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  19. Lyrtch

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    this is kind of what i was getting at with pointing out this ideological position regarding small flexible government programs/states rights/etc doesnt square with the substance and its historical roots are in the darkest corners of americans history

    but you said it better
     
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  20. Evil Homer

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    Laughing at the poor sap who goes in this thread bc he didn’t know Bobby Bowden was sick, going through it, and seeing this debate.
     
  21. Evil Homer

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    og543ss that post about your politics sounds more modern democrat than modern republican
     
  22. Iron Mickey

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    the irony is that doing national welfare in the US would threaten profit rates enough to throw the system into crisis— that’s why neoliberalism happened

    we have to do /global communism/ if we want to address human freedom without destroying our habitat or doing exterminism
     
  23. bstaple12

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    Trump sucks but I can’t imagine getting so wound up by him like some of you. To root ill will against Bobby Bowden because of his political opinion at the age of 90 is hilariously sad
     
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  24. Iron Mickey

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    what are fair consequences at what age for political positions iyo
     
  25. Doc Louis

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    The proletariat will rise up and make their voices be heard.
     
  26. Iron Mickey

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    We can hope
     
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  27. Lyrtch

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    we being ageist in here smh
     
  28. Iron Mickey

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    If you do smoking hot takes at 25 and something happens people can talk shit. 90? That’s different
     
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  29. Lyrtch

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    you're a "nopolitics" guy right?

    nuts to still be able to hold that position currently
     
  30. War Grundle

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    I just don’t think all people think politics first like you and a few others seem too.
     
  31. fsugrad99

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    The hell happened in here?
     
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  32. Lyrtch

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    that makes you the mark
     
  33. bstaple12

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    What is a “nopolitics” guy to you?
     
  34. kennypowers

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    I mean, that’s great for you that you can afford to separate your life from Trump. I’m in a similar situation, I won’t act like I have suffered under this administration. Maybe, however, consider that for many it’s not just political theater, and the things that occur in DC effect their lives, in a huge way. Getting riled up by politics is a lot more reasonable than college football IMO.
     
  35. RSK

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    i aLsO dOnT sUpPoRt AnYbOdY

     
  36. Lyrtch

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    someone who intentionally doesnt engage with not just electoralism, maybe a rare presidential vote, but doesnt really engage intellectually with political questions, that just finds life is easier if they live in a veil of ignorance

    they're not wrong on life being easier that way if you're profoundly privileged, but it tends to coincide with either profound arrogance and/or reactionary political reflexes
     
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  37. Iron Mickey

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    holy shit, transparent trump lmao
     
  38. Doc Louis

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    Things were fine until someone mentioned the worst Bowden of all: Jeff
     
  39. War Grundle

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    No, I think it makes me normal.
     
  40. Lyrtch

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    even if accept what i think you think "normal" means

    not mutually exclusive positions!
     
  41. RSK

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    That depends whether or not they are/were the head coach of my football team.
     
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  42. Daniel Ocean

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    some have been personally impacted by trump’s hate. Why isn’t that more than having respect because he coached at a school I have no connection to? He made hue politics clear. He was proud of them. He put that out there. Why can’t people say “fuck him for that”?
     
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  43. kinghill

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    We're all rooting for Bobby to die asap.
     
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  44. Daniel Ocean

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    the faster everyone understands everything is tied to politics (whether you want to believe that or not) the better we’d be as a society.
     
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  45. RSK

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    Imagine being this much of a smooth brained moron. Then imagine lying about it some years later. I mean I guess I would lie about it too if I made posts as idiotic as these on election night:

     
  46. Lyrtch

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    i'm not sure any take on this board has aged worse than "because he cares about all americans?"

    was dumb in the moment obviously, but yeesh
     
  47. bstaple12

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    There is a clear difference between talking shit about his political opinion and rooting for his death etc. Anyone who wishes ill will on someone solely for their political opinion is a shitty person in my view
     
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    Pm me your #
     
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    Kmart had icees and little Cesar's. , that's a compliment bud