My Daughter went a step further and registered my Rottweiler as a Service Animal. She says she wants to take Chloey to Seaworld and Bushc Gardens when we go... That being said, I would get the letter and lease up where they work with it.
looking over the US Dog Registry site, it sounds like you just buy a basic kit for $79 that has a certificate and collar tag saying they are an Emotional Support Animal and then you get your physician or mental health doc to write a basic letter (even had a sample letter to fill in the blanks on the website) saying your name, their name and position, your emotional issue, and the date the animal became a doctor recommended companion. And as long as it's on the hospital/practice's letterhead you're good to go like that serves as your "evidence" supporting the claim. that's fantastic. no more dealing with weight or breed restrictions and if I really wanted to, which i probably won't, I could live somewhere that has a no pets policy due to the fair housing act.
FWIW the ADA doesn't list emotional support dogs as a service animal and they can be turned away. We have to do it at work all the time.
Was just about to say this. I seem to remember that technically emotional support dogs aren't ADA and an apartment community could still turn it away. Better to just find an apartment community that doesn't list them.
According to this it can not be a family doctor. Has to be a mental health professional. The one requirement for a person to legally qualify for an emotional support animal (ESA) is that the person has a letter from a licensed mental health professional (therapist, psychologist, psychiatrist -NOT the family doctor) on his/her letterhead that states the person is under his/her care, is emotionally or psychiatrically disabled, and prescribes for the person an emotional support animal. Without this letter, if the person presents an animal as an ESA, he/she is in violation of federal law; an offense punishable by fine and imprisonment, if convicted. Also there is this.. These laws allows a property manager to accept a letter from the tenant's licensed mental health professional (LMHP) for an ESA, but they may also require a verification form to be completed by a physician or LMHP, confirming the tenant's physical/emotional/psychiatric disability. Despite how much the property manager/landlord does NOT want your service dog or emotional support animal, federal law requires him/her to make a reasonable accommodation in the rules. If they do not, they are discriminating against a disabled person and are in violation of federal law. Here is a link to a government document (one of many) that addresses this issue. See the 3rd page, second column):
where'd you get that from? everywhere on the internet says a licensed physician can prescribe it. they just normally don't because they prescribe pills instead
https://animalcompanions.org/faq CAN MY PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN WRITE ME AN ESA PRESCRIPTION? In theory, any patient is free to consult with their primary care physician regarding their need for an emotional support animal. However, 9 times out of 10, patients will run into a doctor who does not believe in the therapeutic benefits of having a dog as part of their treatment for their insomnia, stress, or anxiety, just to name a few. These physicians are more likely to prescribe you pharmaceutical medications. Furthermore, it’s important to keep in mind that these doctors are going to require some sort of a payment up front, usually a copay, and most of the time, you will get denied. The Animal Companions exists because all of our physicians see the therapeutic benefits of animal companionship to help cope with everyday conditions such as depression, insomnia or stress. Not to mention, when you visit The Animal Companions, you only pay if you are approved, so there is a zero risk for both your time and your money. WILL MY ESA LETTER COME FROM THIS WEBSITE OR FROM THE PRESCRIBING MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL? Your ESA letter will be written on the letterhead of the office of the prescribing physician or pscychotherapist HOW WILL MY LANDLORD OR PROPERTY MANAGER BE ABLE TO VERIFY MY LETTER? Your landlord or property manager can verify your letter by calling the verification number that is included on the prescribing physician’s letterhead. This is the verification phone number of the doctor that issues your prescription, not animalcompanion.com's number. Your landlord will simply leave a message with the full name of the patient he is trying to verify and someone will contact them to verify your letter
It was the first or second hit on google when I looked up housing and emotional support animals. I'd probably do some local research on Texas laws to get specifics. If the apartments can ask for verification that would suck for you. Texas is also trying to pass two laws specifically about defining emotional support animals and penalties for misrepresentation. Service animals Texas tenants will still enjoy the same policies toward service and assistance animals, at least until the next legislative session, after two attempts to more strictly regulate their use failed to pass. HB 3229, redefining the qualifications for assistance animals and assessing penalties to those who “misrepresent” their disability-related need, did not receive a hearing in the Human Services Committee. HB 2992 similarly tightened definitions and established further penalties. It was placed on the local and consent calendar on the last day of voting and was not reached before the deadline.
Before my was passed, she wanted a dog. Our condo had a no dog policy. Got a doctor to write a note, adopted a dog from the humane society and registered her as an emotional support dog.
https://www.nsarco.com/emotional-housing.html Documentation Required For Emotional Support Animals The one requirement for a person to legally qualify for an emotional support animal (ESA) is that the person has a letter from a licensed mental health professional (therapist, psychologist, psychiatrist -NOT the family doctor) on his/her letterhead that states the person is under his/her care, is emotionally or psychiatrically disabled, and prescribes for the person an emotional support animal. Without this letter, if the person presents an animal as an ESA, he/she is in violation of federal law; an offense punishable by fine and imprisonment, if convicted. If you have no therapist or your therapist is unwilling to write a letter of prescription for an ESA, we recommend Chilhowee Psychological Services, who offers a disability assessment designed to determine your eligibility. If you meet the disabled criteria based on their assessment, then they also send that RX letter to you, written by a licensed therapist. Click here to review: www.cptas.com/pk.html Verification May Be Required By Property Managers These laws allows a property manager to accept a letter from the tenant's licensed mental health professional (LMHP) for an ESA, but they may also require a verification form to be completed by a physician or LMHP, confirming the tenant's physical/emotional/psychiatric disability. Despite how much the property manager/landlord does NOT want your service dog or emotional support animal, federal law requires him/her to make a reasonable accommodation in the rules. If they do not, they are discriminating against a disabled person and are in violation of federal law. Here is a link to a government document (one of many) that addresses this issue. See the 3rd page, second column): http://www.hud.gov/offices/fheo/FINALRULE/Pet_Ownership_Final_Rule.pdf
if they asked for verification they would call my doctor and he would tell them I had anxiety seems pretty straight forward to me not sure how that would suck. I think the main concern with people is taking their ESA dogs on planes. not getting around a breed restriction
It may be just me, but unless those apartments were the only place I could live (and not because I wanted to live somewhere trendy, etc) I'd probably just find a place that doesn't restrict huskies. I'm risk adverse when it comes to faking things like that though. Now if I had no other options I'd do what I had to.
This part man, this part. These laws allows a property manager to accept a letter from the tenant's licensed mental health professional (LMHP) for an ESA, but they may also require a verification form to be completed by a physician or LMHP, confirming the tenant's physical/emotional/psychiatric disability Is the friend that will write this for you a licensed mental health professional? Are both of y'all willing to risk faking it? If so, go for it man. Just seems like much less trouble and a better solution to find one that does not restrict them. And I'm not defending their policy at all. Just saying that it seems like there are definite risks to trying to get around it that I personally wouldn't take unless I had no other options.
Then have a licensed mental health dr diagnose it and write the note? Unless you're going to the VA (fuck them and the hopes I had to jump through for ADHD) it's probably not hard to get one to diagnose you with anxiety, especially if you really do have it. I'm just trying to show that there are places out there that say the apartment owner can ask for a note from a LHMP and request verification. And that Texas is trying to pass strict laws about emotional assistance animals.
physician or therapist? I'm not scared of being turned down if one of these places doesn't approve of a physician being the one that wrote the note. The chick in the leasing office said: "If you could get a doctor to write you a note saying that it was a companion dog that would work." I said does that mean a prescription or what? "Yes. Just a letter saying that your dog is an ESA dog will work."
If my buddy doesn't want to do some verification, if they even ask for it, then so be it. You saying we're willing to risk faking it doesn't mean we're faking it... me posting about it on TMB doesn't mean anyone's faking it. If it was a large scale corporate leasing deal that said "sure we will accommodate an ESA dog but we'll need this and that and our corporate office will need to verify with your doctor" I wouldn't ask a friend to do it.
That's crazy. User Jax Teller specifically said Physicians are NOT ALLOWED to do it... crazy how long did you go to jail for?
Dude stop being a fucking douche. I literally posted the website and quote that said it had to be a LHMP. You do know he lives in a different state? Maybe Texas has different requirements and maybe you should find out what those are. And no one ever said jail fuckstick.
If you do have anxiety maybe you should have said that in the OP instead of just your breed is restricted where you want to live and you have a doctor friend that would help.
do yall shun all the real housewives you see in public places with their ESA dogs at restaurants and on planes or just people looking for a reasonable place to live that has retarded aggressive breed lists?
Nobody is shunning anyone. Stop being a drama queen. You asked for information. You were given information that conflicts with what you've read elsewhere and want to hear and now you'r being a douche.
If i were faking something to get him to be a legitimate service dog, I would look at it differently. It's a companion dog. The girl is basically asking for a doctors note equivalent to one saying I was sick and missed a day of school.
I asked for first hand experience. Fafa Fofo and Connor Norman provided that. Your posts about "me and my friend faking it" are condescending. And the places that don't have said restrictions in the area I'm looking at are $300-400 more/month, which is why I'm adamant about trying to live in these. It will save me $4-5k over the next year and not to mention they have great dog amenities compared to the others. I'm not doing it to be a rebel or to thump my chest over getting around their breed list. they do allow pets. they allow everything except pits, rotts, dobermans, chows, huskies, and malamutes. a ton of places have this exact same list.
if you wanna be super sleazy, according to the ada, you can claim the dog is trained for something such as seizure detection and it is against the law for the apartment to ask anything further or even ask for proof
Real Housewives of the xanax soccer mom baby boomer generation have perfected the abuse of support dog privileges.
one place I talked to yesterday said that they do large breed dogs on a case by case basis. someone from their HOA does a short meet and greet with the dog to see if it is personable and/or aggressive. maybe you should shun the leasing offices that use retarded lists that lump every dog of a breed into a category without taking their upbringing and training into consideration or the fact that dogs of the same breed can have vastly different temperaments. You own a pit right? good luck finding a place for that menace to society to live anywhere close to downtown austin
not allowed off leash in austin except for a few off-leash parks. They've started ticketing people in the popular on-leash hiking areas this summer. on leash - he's not biting anyone. hell even off leash he will just lick the shit out of you
If you're confident enough in him not injuring anybody (bite, knocking them over, etc.) that you'd bet your entire financial future on it, then go ahead.
Them or their animal correct? My buddy's husky got out of their fenced in backyard and wound up getting in a fight with another dog and killing it. I know he had all kind of legal issues because of that. And I love huskies. I just think lank would be better off living somewhere that doesn't restrict them.
None of this was mentioned in your OP. Nothing about you were trying to save money. The only thing mentioning anxiety reads like you are asking if you could use that reasoning to get a note to "get around the breed list".
there is one place i like that has huskies on the list but not malamutes. girl i know works at a vets office and showed his pics to a half dozen coworkers and a couple doctors there and they all said it looked more like a malamute than a husky and my breeders (country folk in luverne, AL) could have just been wrong... and if I bring him in for a basic checkup they will write Malamute on the vaccination report that you give to the leasing agent. damn near every stranger that comes up to pet him asks if he's a malamute first too and then when I say husky I get "that's the biggest furriest husky i've ever seen." The only evidence I know of that points to husky > malamute is the blue eyes, by default are supposed to disqualify it from being a Mal
I'm sure wes tegg will have legal reasons why this is not a good idea too. But if I had to do it, this is probably the way I would go.
And just to lighten the mood a little. How much would your anxiety go down if you weren't juggling like 6 hot, crazy bitches at a time?
I don't think there is a legal reason why that's a bad idea... he didn't come with any official papers and the breeder wasn't registered/certified with the AKC. The only reason he's classified as a husky currently is because that's what I told my vet he was when I got him 8 years ago. pretty standard practice for most vet offices I know of to take your word for it unless it's something ridiculous you claim. He's never legally been DNA tested to verify that he's any breed. girl i was hanging out with back in january has a pit/boxer mix. took it to a vet a long time ago and they asked what it was, she said "Lab mix" and that's what that dog's records have said forever. I would think the liability there if any would fall on the vet's office...
it relieves my anxiety in dating to be able to bring a girl over and not deal with her because she's too busy laying on the floor petting him.
I always thought he was registered. If he's not and he's never been tested I'm not sure how it could be held against you. We are obviously not lawyers though.
nah I got him from some legit mouth breathers in Luverne who actually don't have a breeding place anymore... just tried to check and see if their website was still up and it's gone. I think all I got when they brought him to me was a little bag of food and his initial puppy vaccination records. definitely nothing official or AKC related. Probably the same as getting one from a shelter, but the website advertised them as huskies. here's a red/white alaskan malamute Spoiler red/white husky Spoiler and Baxter: Spoiler tbh he could be either or a mix and it wouldn't surprise me. but the vets office said they would put Malamute if I brought him in because of the similarities. so I may go that route instead of the companion dog one. either way I have absolutely no fear of him biting anyone because he's always on leash unless we're at the main park in the city. I'd obviously not have to do either and just find a good place with a plain ole dog husky. but in the last 4 years since my initial apartment search an incredible number of places have adopted that aggressive breed list. and the ones that don't are $1500-2100/month as opposed to the three I'm looking at that are $1150, 1200, 1225. and all 3 more square footage
Yes I knew that when I took my dog in and I wouldnt live anywhere that didnt allow her and I wont fudge any records or service dog certificates to get in anywhere in the case something ever does happen as wes tegg says
I'm not doing anything related to a service dog. Service dogs are allowed everywhere (including more housing places that can turn down Companion dogs) and require training and are held to a high standard of obedience. This actually sounds like what wes tegg is talking about liability wise.... Companion dogs are just pets that help people with things like anxiety, depression, insomnia, etc. And aren't allowed lots of places that allow service dogs. HTH
No, I'm talking about Emotional Support Animals. The fact that they're not held to the same standards as far as obedience and training go is why you run into coverage issues.
Jax Teller i actually talked to my family's therapist (for my step sister) and he's gonna have me come in when I'm home for a wedding in 3 weeks to do an official diagnosis deal to write the note instead of a random physician. Hopefully that takes care of the Texas legality part of it. Don't think it alleviates the insurance liability issue Tegg addressed though