DotA 2: -APEM pros only go fast!

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  1. RonBurgundy

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    VGJ.Storm just SHIT on OG in winners bracket first round in 2 stomps. Wow, they look legitimately awesome. Best LGD 2-0 too
     
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  2. swiggle

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    NA qualifiers for TI are going to be nuts. I would bet they have 2 qualifier spots again like they did last year.
     
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  3. afk999

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    Anybody want to take bets of a non Eg TI
     
  4. RonBurgundy

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    VGJ.S also 2-1’d Secret And is in the upper bracket finals. Crazy run, guaranteed top3 at a major.
     
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    and that was after secret absolutely dumpstered them in game 1
     
  6. Poetic

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    At this point I'm very worried for EG. Think they need a miracle major finish. Think VGJ and OG both could advance over them.
     
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  7. miles

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    Watching VGJS and Optic just makes me think even more that EG needs to split.
     
  8. RonBurgundy

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    Could you imagine Optic with Sumail mid? Won’t happen because him and ppd have beef but would fap
     
  9. Poetic

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    You know, I'm honestly pro-RTZ more than Sumail. I kinda feel Sumail has held EG hostage. Got rid of ppd for him and then fuckin Universe. RTZ seems to be trying harder and more of a team player which is funny.

    You put a team player RTZ on Optic with who they have and they're a serious threat imo. They sack CCnC alot so idk how good he is, but Artour as a massive upgrade over their carry.
     
  10. miles

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    As much as I love him, I feel like Zai has kind of fallen off the last year or so too. He rarely has that game anymore where he just dominates from the 4 position like he used to and like the best ones at his position do now. Plus he wasn't really very good in the offlane where as when he was on Secret he was a great offlaner.

    I'm not sure CCnC or Pajkatt could play the Notail/Matumba role if one of them were to get dropped for RTZ/Sumail. CCnC because I don't think he has the hero pool and Pajkatt because his best attribute is farming and not being a pace setter.

    NA talent is really fragmented right now, so there are a bunch of solid teams but no elite teams. Dream team:

    Fear
    Arteezy
    33
    MSS
    PPD
     
  11. RonBurgundy

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    Fear over Sumail? lol no. Fear’s best days are behind him
     
  12. Poetic

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    Fear is done for sure. He looks awful currently.

    Zai is still legit I feel. And yes, any dream NA team has to have PPD as the 5. Best captain we have.
     
  13. Handcuffed

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    i still think zai is good. he's not a playmaking 4 but the meta is shifting away from that imo.

    1 - rtz
    2 - ?
    3 - 33
    4 - zai
    5 - ppd

    no idea on the mid. maybe pajkatt can play 1 and rtz can play mid heroes.

    also not sold on 33 playing traditional offlaners but he's great in this current hotd/pipe meta.
     
  14. miles

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    Sumail would never be that sacrificial core that you basically need to have to win now. He even moved to the offlane and is still unbelievably greedy.

    My line of thinking is that you basically have to pick one of rtz or sumail, and I went with the former.
     
  15. miles

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    I think that's just because Io got completely stupid buffs in the last patch. Gonna get nerfed hard in the next one.

    The top 2 most picked 4's at Changsha are Clock and Tusk, which are pretty much the epitome of "don't farm; do shit" heroes.
     
  16. Poetic

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    Zai is capable, i watched this man juke the shit out of people at TI5 and solo kill 2 people as Dark Seer. His skill is not gone already. He's better than cr1t.

    Maybe a greedy offlaner like Universe, RTZ carry, CCnC mid would work.
     
  17. Handcuffed

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    CCnC is a garbage person that, as someone else wrote in here, can effectively play about four heroes.
     
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  18. Poetic

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    I mean Yawar is only playing 3-4 heroes and they're doing great.
     
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  19. miles

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    I don't think Zai is bad or anything, he's just not top 5 at his position anymore when he used to be pretty universally regarded as top 3. I'd put Rodger, Fy, GH, Yap, MSS, Jabz, kaka ahead of him off the top of my head.

    Point being I don't think adding an elite mid would immediately vault them to tier 1, talent wise.
     
  20. Handcuffed

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    i think the opposite: optic doesn't ever have a farmed mid who can run around with supports and make plays. even when ccnc wins mid, he's on razor, DP, or DK or something that secures objectives rather than kills into objectives. optic just drafts very safe and predictable imo and it's due to, i assume, being handicapped by ccnc's pool and play.
     
  21. miles

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    The way that lanes have changed, you pretty much have to pick a core that you can put in any lane with one of your first 3 picks. That's usually CCnC's hero for Optic. (Fear is that guy for EG, which is why it seemed like he was only playing DP/Viper/DK.

    It's why DK/DP/Razor/Viper have been top picks for pretty much every team for a while. (and Underlord/Doom and Omni pre-nerfs in the offlane)

    Not saying they wouldn't be better if they had an rtz/sumail instead, but that's why his picks are so static.
     
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    the fans clamor



    (this is fake btw)
     
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  23. Poetic

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    Lol, man i need ppd back on EG though.
     
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  24. broXcore

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    he's such a toxic shithead on his stream. really hard to watch.
     
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  25. Poetic

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    In a perfect world ppd and Zai find their way home. To EG.
     
  26. miles

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    44k net worth lead at 30 minutes rofl
     
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  27. swiggle

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  29. RonBurgundy

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    BH hasn't been a carry since < TI2.


    Also SD
     
  30. RonBurgundy

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    IO has the 4th highest win rate in 5K+. Also highest support win rate. Crazy.
     
  31. miles

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    Yeah pretty much everyone is complaining about it. Tether not having a max duration and being able to cast it on spell immune teammates were just ridiculous buffs
     
  32. miles

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    Holy fucking shit this Newbee/IGV ending
     
  33. miles

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    That is a DK with about 40 armor and 3500 health that he pretty much one shot. LS had similar stats.
     
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  34. RonBurgundy

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    The cleave on tidebringer ignores armor, which is why the dark seer lives but DK gets deleted
     
  35. miles

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    ...I knew that!

    :welpseeyalater:
     
  36. skiedfrillet

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    Ragetop still salty I beat him 1v1 mid

    Sad times
     
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  37. miles

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    Bounty runes are worth so absurdly much now I kind of want to try out a Spirit Vessel/S&Y Nightstalker build where you just run around at max movement speed and grab runes the whole game.
     
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  38. RonBurgundy

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    Bounty tune control in the mid game is so important. Those 20,25,30 minute runes are so valuable to completing items.
     
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  39. RonBurgundy

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    It’s why you should always hit a creep whenever possible. Achieve max damage and cleave onto all heroes. If you hit on a hero that hero doesn’t take as much damage.

    Although I didn’t realize cleave on tidebringer now is huge, you are supposed to skip BF now. All Daedalus and rapiers now. That’s a more recent change.
     
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  40. miles

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    New equation is (50 + (3*Min))5. At 20 minutes that's 550 gold for your team in 1 rune. 700 at 30. 850 at 40.

    At any point in the game if you get 3/4 runes it's basically a 2 core-hero kill gold swing. You get all 4 and it's like you team wiped them.
     
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  42. RonBurgundy

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    Sniper, CK, and Slark are all super OP in turbo, but I think PA is the easiest hero to dominate with in turbo.
     
  43. skiedfrillet

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    3 heart bristle lel
     
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  44. RonBurgundy

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    Fun games tonight. Handcuffed did we win every game?
     
  45. Handcuffed

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    do we ever lose?
     
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  46. swiggle

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    So Skiddly is playing a game of dota with Shroud right now rofl
     
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  47. Skiddly

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    Looks like I've finally hit it big.

    See ya later, virgins.
     
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  48. Poetic

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    Man, really becoming a fan of VGJ. They play like TI5 EG. NA's hope for an enjoyable TI this year.

    Cause EG is going to suck and go out in like 12th if they somehow make it. Fully expect them not to at this point though.
     
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  50. RonBurgundy

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    Really want to hear this story now