DotA 2: -APEM pros only go fast!

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  1. swiggle

    swiggle Ya'll finished or ya'll done?
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    They beat Immortals pretty easily the other day, but who the hell knows what happens with how today has gone.
     
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  2. Handcuffed

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    weird position because i dont think i want eg to win but i definitely dont want immortals taking an NA slot

    im not sure why optic made this so fucking difficult
     
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  3. broXcore

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    Holy fucking shit, this sumail alch is so fun to watch
     
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  4. RonBurgundy

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    Holy fuck sumail
     
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  5. swiggle

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    Not used to seeing EG play an Alch this well.
     
  6. Poetic

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    King back to mid.

    I saw the Alch and was like NotLikeThis. They used to lose picking him and playing against him. But that was a fun ass alch game.
     
  7. broXcore

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    So now immortals have to use a ban on alch?
     
  8. RonBurgundy

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    No, they just had a terrible lineup vs an alch.

    Blink axe and Aghs focus fire WR were the only possible ways to kill alch with their lineup and crit countered Axe with ET, and WR wasn’t a core so had no farm.

    Alch is still a bad hero vs most lineups
     
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    gotcha, wasnt sure if it was situational, but i've not seen him played in a pro match before
     
  10. Handcuffed

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    you're very lucky

    about 2 years ago (before the illusion nerf), alch was very core and OG won multiple majors by playing alch, getting manta, and sending illusions at buildings over and over until the chip damage finally took the buildings down.
     
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  11. broXcore

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    holy shit what a stomp. eg to ti
     
  12. swiggle

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    Awesome. Wouldn't have felt like TI without EG there.
     
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  13. Poetic

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    How did OpTic lose to IM...

    The boys to TI! Very worried for my boy ppd tomorrow.
     
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  14. swiggle

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    Fucking rofl at Grant
     
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  16. Poetic

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    Grant god. He better be at TI this year.
     
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  17. miles

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    Immortals basically picked the mid hero that gives TA the worst matchup in the game and Sumail still dumpstered him.

    MP might have to think about retiring after that
     
  18. skiedfrillet

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  19. RonBurgundy

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    Lmao I love grant, what a goon
     
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  21. miles

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    Optic takes game one coming back from a 20k nw deficit against coL.

    :ohnoes:
     
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  22. swiggle

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    I missed them turn it near the end, but safe to assume Complexity just pissed it away?
     
  23. miles

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    I would say half that and half really good team fights from Optic. Some really good song combos and Pajkatt doppel'd approximately 63,324 spells.
     
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  24. Poetic

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    Maybe CoL is just good, but I'm disappointed in how much OpTic is struggling since group stage.
     
  25. RonBurgundy

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    At work, been sneaking into my office to catch score/net worth, so them somehow winning both of those games was super confusing. -20K nw game 1 and -12K nw behinds aegis and cheese game 2. Might have to VOD those comebacks later
     
  26. Poetic

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    Now that the hub is almost over. Synderen is at the very tippy top of all this shit, dude is elite. He's funny, smart, and just all around awesome. I know he'll be at TI, but my love for him is up there with WinteR and Grant.
     
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  27. miles

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    I like what Optic is doing to counter the naga song/hammer. Take clock and stay way back so you can hookshot in and interrupt the channel.
     
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  28. broXcore

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    33 brood, my goodness
     
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  29. Handcuffed

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    game 2 wasn't a throw imo. col didn't get enough done with their brood lineup and both brood and bloodseeker kind of do the same thing and can't easily walk up and hit buildings. optic did a really good job of stalling out the game but they were going to win that game if it went 40+ minutes pretty assuredly, anyways.
     
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  30. broXcore

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    optic and eg both at ti hype
     
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  31. RonBurgundy

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    More excited for vgj.s than eg unless EG gets their shit together.

    NA DOTA IS BACK AND HERE TO STAY
     
  32. RonBurgundy

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    Only bad news: no analyst ppd
     
  33. RonBurgundy

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    Hero patch that will probably be TI meta, TB agility gain is 4.2 holy fuck. IO and Chen needs too.

    But stealing this reddit post:


    Clinkz: Strafe cooldown reduced from 45/35/25/15 to 30/25/20/15

    Clinkz: Strafe manacost reduced from 90 to 75/80/85/90

    Riki: Base damage increased by 3

    Riki: Blink Strike damage rescaled from 55/70/85/100 to 100

    Riki: Smoke Screen AoE increased from 250/275/300/325 to 325

    Pudge: Meat Hook cast range increased from 1000/1100/1200/1300 to 1300

    Pudge: Flesh Heap magic resistance increased from 6/8/10/12% to 8/10/12/14%

    Sniper: Headshot physical damage no longer ignores Spell Immmune units

    Sniper: Headshot damage increased from 15/40/65/90 to 20/50/80/110

    RIP PUBS SUMMER 2018
     
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  34. miles

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    jesus christ that blink strike damage at lvl 1
     
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  35. RonBurgundy

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    Lich is really strong again I think. A value point in ice armor gives 4 armor for 40 seconds, seems really good with0 mana sacrifice. Lich also can function with only tranqs, and then just build whatever utility items needed
     
  36. miles

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    I would bet he starts getting picked when teams want to play a carry that doesn't need the lane sustain of WD/Warlock/Wyvern, like Lycan/jugg/BS.

    The 1-1-1 build looks very good now.
     
  37. miles

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    Other thoughts:

    -Alchemist is back :donotwant:. That extra stack duration + the higher cap might not seem like much, but it's a lot. It's so much easier to maintain high levels of stacks now, especially in the early game when alch doesn't farm near as fast.

    -Midas is buy-able again on a few heroes. 5 seconds off the cooldown in each of the last 2 patches.

    -Clinkz lvl 1 strafe cooldown is a big buff. Now you can get a couple points in skeleton walk earlier and have a much bigger presence all over the map.

    -Necro got decently buffed, but the introduction of Aeon Disk pretty much ruined him. I think he's gonna be bad until significant changes are made to the hero or the way it's played.

    -NS's lane is so bad now he's finally dead.
     
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  38. skiedfrillet

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    They’re going to make pubs unplayable
     
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  39. Handcuffed

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    honestly, the sentry buff from a couple of patches ago was really impactful towards limiting invis heroes. if everyone buys a few sentries and puts them near pathway intersections, heroes like riki and clinkz can get picked off pretty easily.
     
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  40. Poetic

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    Lol at sentries being purchased in the trench.
     
  41. RonBurgundy

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    I really like playing it as a poverty 4 because you eat creeps away from the carry, keep wave close to your tower, ice armor protects your 3 while you harass with nuke. I like Lich is better as a 4 then a 5 tbh. Plus then you can help with wards/sentries and still get Aghs/blink/glimmer/mek/solar crest/force etc.

    My favorite build during HotD OP meta was Puppey who would go tranqs into HotD. Extra aura, extra siege creep, can sacrifice for mana if needed, etc. it’s still good but not as OP as it was in that meta.
     
  42. miles

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    Just comes down to personal preference I guess. I like 5 just because he's so impactful even when poverty.
     
  43. RonBurgundy

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    “The unicorn 5 stack.

    Happens once a month and disappears after 1 game.”

    - Handcuffed

    - Michael Scott
     
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  44. miles

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    That game ended on such a good note I wasn't playing another one and ruining it
     
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  45. RonBurgundy

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    Tbh that was an abysmal draft but they never punished us for catching up on farm and our smoke ganks were great since we had great team fights with chrono, ravage and CM ult with Zeus damage.

    Also sorry that I gave Handcuffed CM and they insta picked pudge lol. That’s a miserable fucking game
     
  46. miles

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    Always fun seeing the game is over at minute 0 because the other team has a crusader meepo spammer.
     
  47. RonBurgundy

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    Still disappointed battle pass doesn’t have Artifact beta key access
     
  48. Poetic

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    Artifact. Will ruin me.
     
  49. Poetic

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    The yearly super bundle is out, 100 levels! whoa.
     
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