DotA 2: -APEM pros only go fast!

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  1. miles

    miles All I know is my gut says, maybe
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    100%.
    Before Vipers rework a while back there was no draft counter to passive abilities. (Unless you got an aghs on doom or SD) Was no other choice but to get a silver edge which sucks on the vast majority of heroes.
     
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  2. miles

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    Tusk, hello again my dude.
     
  3. Handcuffed

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    Troll's ult is going to be super strange. Not being able to disengage will be game losing in some situations. Not being able to die is going to be game winning in some situations. I guess it doesn't say if it works on buildings but it'd be amazing if you could trance on melee racks in late game situations.
     
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  4. Handcuffed

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    UNDERLORD:
    • Atrophy Aura now provides a permanent +2/3/4/5 bonus damage when a hero dies under the aura
    damn i missed this. seems massive considering this hero is already pretty damn good mid-game.
     
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  5. BrickTamland

    BrickTamland You're not Ron...
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    I have neither the time nor the patience to be bad at Dotes anymore.

    Bricktop the white is more likely to make a return than yours truly.
     
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  6. skiedfrillet

    skiedfrillet It's not a lie if you believe it.
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    Slark:
    • Turn rate improved from 0.6 to 0.7
    • Pounce now applies a Leashed state to the target, disallowing teleportation and mobility based abilities
    • Shadow Dance duration rescaled from 4 to 4/4.5/5
    • A hero dying with Essence Shift debuff on them causes Slark to permanently steal 1 Agility

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  7. miles

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    His q dispels hex now again as well

    D:
     
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  8. broXcore

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    yeah he's my permaban now
     
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  9. skiedfrillet

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    carry aba is gonna be a thing and I will do this thing
     
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  10. skiedfrillet

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  11. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    Ok clinic done time to READ

    BrickTamland yeah bricktop played a 5 stack with us last week and failed to give a single Aghs or Moonshard as an Alch and I’m still salty about it.
     
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  12. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    I once gained 300 MMR by playing nothing but slark for a week so this news of his return excites me.
     
  13. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    Fuck you ice frog, switching atk speed and dmg from phase to treads is so fucking unnecessary lmao
     
  14. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    Holy locket seems underwhelming on 95% of heroes and OP on some like Necrophos
     
  15. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    What in the fuck. Solar crest rework but on your hero not a big deal, the active gives or removes 70 FUCKING ATTACK SPEED and practically adds/removes Boots MS bonus??? That seems OP as fuck


    Grants allies +70 Attack Speed, +10% Movement Speed, +12 Armor. On enemies it applies -70 Attack Speed, -10% Movement Speed, -12 Armor
     
  16. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

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    BLOODSTONE:
    • No longer has Pocket Deny
    • No longer reduces respawn times
    • Now passively doubles your mana regeneration
    • Starts with 12 charges, deaths remove 3 charges, kills provide 1 charge
    • Each charge provides 0.25 MP and HP regen
    • Can now be cast, transferring 60% of your current mana to health. Cooldown: 250 [?]

    Thank god, respawn reduction on Storm was dumb
     
  17. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    Sentry buff and this

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    GEM OF TRUE SIGHT:
    • Grants 300 ground vision to the team that last held until it is picked up
    Are really cool.

    Dislike butterfly active being removed

    gG boots buff was needed as was pipe minor buff.

    Crown seems really good for early casual side shop item with good build up.
     
  18. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    That AA buff is actually huge.

    That AM buff might be bigger, but losing his magic resistance is kinda huge. Can get bursted now pretty easily without heart.

    Bane might be first pick/ban for pros now.

    BM - hawk change is such a QoL benefit not having to micro the Hawk. Love BM since I love micro but this makes hero easier. Basically makes the Hawk a free obs ward on a 30 sec CD

    Bs actually got nerfed into the ground? Thirst AS instead of dmg, bloodrage huge nerf and Rupture huge nerf.
    • Rupture now deals 8% of current health as pure damage per 100 units moved. No longer lethal
    Bh changes are actually hilarious.
    • Track cast no longer breaks invisibility
     
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  19. BrickTamland

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    I feel like that’s on you for expecting it in the first place.
     
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  20. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    Brew changes are AWESOME

    • Reworked Drunken Brawler. It is now a self active buff. Lasts for 5 seconds. Grants you 50/60/70/80% evasion and 80% chance to Crit for 200/220/240/260%. Movement speed alternates between -20% and +40% while this is active. Cooldown: 20/19/18/17. Manacost: 35/40/45/50
    Chen buffs? Is this Christmas??

    Clinkz now has SS wards?
     
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  21. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    That’s a massive drow nerf right?
     
  22. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    Oh my god nightstalker changes.

    Welp that hero looks back.

    Lone Druid buffs are needed

    Lycan buffs NOT NEEDED


    Ogre Dagon is definitely a thing now good lord imagine triple Dagon multicasts lol.

    Omni is a great Sange/Kaya holder + that Holy Locket = walking fountain.

    Was expecting more oracle buffs or rework :(


    Is OD dead? Am I misreading how that fundamentally changes the hero?

    Pangolier passive rework is needed, heart piercer was garbage

    Puck is still worst hero in dota, sad

    Pudge got BUFFED? WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK
     
  23. swiggle

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    That seems like a pretty weak TB Nerf Handcuffed
     
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  24. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhh


     
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  25. miles

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    I'm not sure yet, it's weird. The aura changes are actually a buff to dps for teammates and ranged creeps i think. Attack speed is generally the best stat for DPS in the game. Also siege creeps should absolutely wreck towers now with that. They have a different damage type that does 250% to buildings, so they don't benefit much from the extra physical damage, but I think a shitload of attack speed for them is a pretty ridiculous increase to structures.

    The new ultimate should make drow better against tanky melee cores she can kite, but now I think now she also gets melted by some other high DPS ranged cores like sniper, clinkz, gyro.
     
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  26. miles

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    This patch is going to take months to figure out
     
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  27. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    Was listening to Purge's analysis at the gym. Makes OD better, medusa, Clinkz good, but she's now also a massive Armored hero/evasion hero counter. TB now gets melted by her if she has a daedalus and her ult procs, cancelling all his armor, and it crits for like 2000 damage.
     
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  28. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    Oh fuck the map is changed too. Good god what a patch
     
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  29. miles

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    I'm probably not even going to play for days. Just going to mess around in demo to figure shit out
     
  30. Handcuffed

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    Bet this gets patched. Refresher doesn’t work with midas. Bet this gets excluded too.
     
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  31. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    Turbo turbo turbo turbo
     
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  32. miles

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    I think you don't go heart on centaur anymore. Even with the +50% talent all that extra strength only results in like 65 more double edge damage, so it's still a lot less than the +300 double edge damage talent that you used to be able to get.

    However, AC/S&Y centaur is a legit semi-carry now. With all the added damage with E, the attack speed is a massive DPS increase, and his armor sucks, so it fixes that problem too.
     
  33. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    You never went heart for return damage, you went heart for sustain and to be able to kill every tower within 15 seconds solo including both T4 at the same time.

    Centaur’s BAT is pretty garbage, but he does get + base damage talent too, so maybe he’s good with atk speed items... but that isn’t what he does best, utility/tank/stun/disable, and disengage/initiate
     
  34. miles

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    Used to depend. I always picked centaur into sniper, weaver, or Windranger because in addition to being able to jump on top of them, they basically couldn't hit you all game.

    AC is also amazing for siegeing for your team because the -armor works on buildings, and the +armor and attack speed aura provides a lot of team utility that heart doesn't. Once the tier 3 is down, heart doesn't help you with siegeing racks, but AC still does. I would already get it instead of Heart most games tbh
     
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  35. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    Just demolished a turbo game with slark

    Also

     
  36. broXcore

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  37. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    new void does a ton of damage.

    4-0 in 4 slark turbo games tonight HEEEEEEE'S BACK
     
  38. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

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  39. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

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    Time to dust off the meepo
     
  40. broXcore

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    it was stupid dominant in my turbo match yesterday. the lifesteal is a almost unfair.
     
  41. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    Also day 1 slark has 61% win rate

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    Also Luna 61% win rate. Giving your allies a free Reaver/Eaglesong/INTstatThingy is apparently good

    Night stalker is up to 50% win rate
     
  42. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    Drow,Storm, OD, Medusa, Clinkz are fucking dumpster tier now holy lord

    Centaur retaliate changes nerfed his win rate -7%. Woof
     
  43. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    Handcuffed we are definitely going to need to dual lane Dazzle/KOTL.

    dazzle rework allowing for Poison to stack and the endless Mana and cool down reduction from KOTL,The sustain/harass/nuking power is insane. That lane seems like pure cancer and I want to do it
     
  44. jplaYa

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    I watched BSJ and Gunnar run a MK/Dazzle safelane against Pudge/Centaur. BSJ has free farm for 15 minutes because they couldn’t touch the Dazzle and whenever he would get stacks of slow, MK would tree leap, stun, and kill them. It was a really effective lane. It was like 40-9 when I turned it off. They also had a BH that I think Sammyboy was playing. Maybe he was on the Rubick. Anyway, was a fun game to watch.
     
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  45. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    Thank you based math nerds

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  46. skiedfrillet

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    what the shit is that
     
  47. skiedfrillet

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    and why is armor spelled incorrectly
     
  48. jplaYa

    jplaYa CHAMPZY/SMOLTZY/CHELSEA
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    They sound like they’re from LONDON
     
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  49. Handcuffed

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    really good info here

     
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  50. miles

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    Looks like multicast midas is here to stay lmao
     
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