DotA 2: -APEM pros only go fast!

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  1. miles

    miles All I know is my gut says, maybe
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    Also Naga/dazzle is a crazy strong lane now
     
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  2. RonBurgundy

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    Armo(u)r formula rework. Negative armor/positive armor is more effective than prepatch, but not by much
     
  3. miles

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    Enemy mid that went 6-11 lol

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  4. skiedfrillet

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    that looks like a nice little purchased account if i do say so myself
     
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  5. skiedfrillet

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    i wonder what a legend acct sells for

    $10?
     
  6. miles

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    Tusk looks like he could have some broken hero combos with the new e. (+100 damage for everyone hitting targets near him for 5 seconds)

    I tested it and it works with necrobooks. If it works with NP treants/Lycan summons/undying tombstone that seems ridiculous.

    Edit nvm, it works with tusks's summons, but only his. Still could be crazy with PL or naga tho.
     
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  7. skiedfrillet

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    It works with brood spawnlings

    Excalibur was streaming tusk and like 20 broodlings one shot a 4 heart axe
     
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  8. miles

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  9. miles

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    Seems like some odd mechanic technicality with whether the summons are considered part of the hero or not. I'm sure it will be figured out, exploited like crazy, and then fixed quickly.
     
  10. miles

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    Beastmaster might be my favorite hero rn. I can't think of another one that has a more complete "kit"/does as many things as well as he does. Farms super fast, pushes waves, tons of tower and hero damage, reliable lockdown, helps in the vision game, and amplifies other cores.
     
  11. skiedfrillet

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    I’m so trash at micro’ing I can’t play any heroes that stomp
     
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  12. miles

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    I avoided any heroes with any kind of micro for like the first 2+ years I had been playing because I thought it was too hard, but it's really not as hard as you think- at least, not as hard as you'd think to play them effectively in your/my pubs. (And you're better at the game than I am) All you need is a couple hotkeys and to use them the same way on every micro hero. You could dick around with that a few times in demo while waiting for games and you'd get comfortable with it.
     
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  13. swiggle

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  14. skiedfrillet

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  16. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    Brew: push R
    All unit select hot key then Right click a hero (so all brews start autoatracking the same one), tab to wind spirit and Dispel magic teamfight then immediately shift slick tornado hotkey and do tornado on their core, tab to earth brew for rock stun then shift click that hero to attack, then tab to the fire radiance one and click a hero to fight, then tab back to earth one since that’s what you hop into when you merge. Ez pz
     
  17. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    Naga radiance is easiest micro to practice, cast illusions, hotkey for all units then tab a click down mid, Tab a click jungle camp shift a click next camp, tab a click bot lane, tab main hero go jungle.
     
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  18. miles

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    I have the setting on where all summons attack the thing I'm attacking unless I tell them not to, so if you have that on it's just press r and right click, and they all start attacking. (Then as you said just tab back and forth between tornado and rock unless they have illusions or buffs to purge)
     
  19. miles

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    First hero I started practicing micro on. If you're not playing carry I like to just send them all down a lane sometimes so they start hitting the tower and someone has to rotate. (Then drag them away when someone does)

    ez space
     
  20. broXcore

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    lion is so damn good this patch. get a blink aghs and have fun.
     
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  21. skiedfrillet

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    I’m good with brew, I mostly just blow with meepo
     
  22. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    I have main meepo with blink/SB on my 1, other clones on 2, select all on 3. I will sneak up with 1, hit to activate slow(changed now) then Q for net, hit 2, click onto 1st meepo, then tab W, tab W, tab W tab Q,
     
  23. skiedfrillet

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    Yeah but I use 2-6 as my item keys and I’m too lazy to change and get used to something else
     
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  24. miles

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    I'm still scared of meepo
     
  25. Bricktop the white

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  26. miles

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    Man, fuck new lich so hard. Both his new w and e are so good.
     
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  27. RonBurgundy

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    China is going to fuck yo the pro dota scene. Those asshats
     
  28. broXcore

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    What exactly happened? I just see news about kuku and skem getting banned for something?
     
  29. Poetic

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    I was coming here to ask, i've been in Artifact land but trying to keep up with the dotes scene.

    Seems a lot of drama with China and lots of people/teams possibly calling for boycotts on the china major?
     
  30. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    Kuku said something like Ching Chong on his stream to racistly flame a Chinese player. Skem said something similar to that at the dreamhack tournament I think?

    Valve said “orgs need to punish, and if they don’t then we will.”

    Chinese orgs weren’t happy with the actual punishments so they petition the local Chongqing government who now banned these 2 players from coming.

    Now there’s a shitstorm of comments from Chinese fans and orgs threatening to ban them from TI9 because the communist party got involved with the Chongqing ban.

    Bulldog tweeted “move ti9 out of China” and said on stream he wouldn’t attend if he couldn’t speak his mind.

    Secrets team manager said teams are very unhappy with Chongqing major and China orgs.

    Ppd tweeted about it too.
     
  31. RonBurgundy

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    Valve hasn’t said anything publically. Yet.

    Chinese Steam is coming out soon, TI9 in China, Dolce and Gabonna drama about racist ads recently super charging everything race related within the communist party atm.

    It’s also really ironic because Chinese people are literally the most unapologetically racist race on the planet toward blacks
     
  32. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    Also Bricktop the white the dota meta has come full circle: new meta is buying 3-4 wraith bands, bracers, or null talismans since the TPs got their own item slot you aren’t starved for slots anymore. Pretty common to see str cores with 3 bracers in Laning phase
     
  33. Bricktop the white

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    Old school DotA 1 days of value bracers on all supports
     
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  34. miles

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    Man I was just starting to love/get good with Veno as an offlaner but his passive being dispellable in addition to his Q a while back is such a big nerf. Now even supports don't die to his ultimate if they just buy a euls.
     
  35. Bricktop the white

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    If the supports can afford euls you're already in major trouble
     
  36. miles

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    It's a lot easier to afford than it used to be on supports tbh. (Whether that's good or bad I can't say) Most supports have gpm talents, bounty runes add up to a lot > team gold, and buyback cost scales with net worth, so you don't need to worry near as much about saving. Courier is much cheaper too.
     
  37. Handcuffed

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    I was out of town for thanksgiving week and just got home. i didn't get to play 7.20 or 7.20b.

    i don't think the patch was ready if there's been three minor patches just as an adjustment to pub games. these are not minor tweaks, either.
     
  38. miles

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    That's kind of the way it goes with giant patches when there's this many changes at a time. (7.07 b and c came out a week after a and b- these updates were just a little faster) There's really no way to test it fully without letting everyone play it.
     
  39. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy #FireTimMiles

    Stacking now gives you gold too. Sentries last 6 minutes and have huge ranges. If you are a position 5 there’s no way you should be poor now.
     
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  40. Handcuffed

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    anyone watch mason's stream? he is building vlads on every hero and just 5-manning every game. vlads on medusa (w/ an account buyer mid lina). vlads on slark (mid AA). won both games.

    "you win in this patch by grouping up and pushing. timado is a creep killer and that's why he's bad (timado was in chat). timado built midas on luna. don't be like timado. if you want to hit creeps, you will lose. group up and push lanes."
     
  41. Handcuffed

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    also, good fucking god at the lane RonBurgundy and I faced today: slark + grimstroke

    i haven't had to face many grimstrokes; i took a break from playing dota when it was released and no one really bothers supporting at my mmr, anyways. grim's aoe slow/dmg into stun + slark's leash is unbelievably powerful. any sort of tether ability + that grim spell is completely unbalanced. what are the initiation spells where that can be abused? slark's seems the best but PA's blink, Huskar's jump, riki's blink strike, phoenix dive, sandking's burrow, spirit breaker's charge, tusk's snowball, void's timewalk, and obviously any sort of blink/force work.

    i'd be shocked if grimstroke isn't nerfed hard soon.
     
  42. miles

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    -75 so far today, wew. Got tri-laned as beastmaster in one and still had more net worth than my WK who was in a dual v. solo lane with ogre. Their solo centaur was the 2nd highest net worth hero after 10 minutes. 2nd game my "support" picks slark. Can't do anything and get run over by Cyka. 3rd game I destroy Slark in lane and have a 7 minute vanguard. Lich abandons and we can't end before Dusa get huge.
     
  43. skiedfrillet

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  44. swiggle

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  45. skiedfrillet

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  46. miles

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    I hate that hero so much
     
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  47. skiedfrillet

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    it's p much guaranteed mmr
     
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  48. miles

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    "Hey, this hero is very strong at most all phases of the game, difficult to mess up, and doesn't really have any significant power valleys. You sure she needs buffs?"

    Coldtoad: "MAKE IT SO SHE CAN SOLO ROSH AT 20 MINUTES AND GO INVISIBLE ON THE MAP UNLESS WITHIN 600 DISTANCE, BUT STILL FARM."
     
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  49. miles

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    The new permanent damage gain with Underlord's E is pretty nuts. I had > half a rapier worth by the end of my last game.
     
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