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  1. miles

    miles All I know is my gut says, maybe
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    I might actually start playing WR again. Making the other team buy dust/sentries against her during games is a pretty big buff.
     
  2. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy Well-Known Member

    Ancients spawning every minute again makes Sven tier 1 again I think. But HotD just not a great item for him otherwise since there's no lifesteal.

    Win rate up 3% today alone.

    Also: dazzle Aghs makes grave a 450 AOE! Hard to farm an Aghs and a GG boots in the same game, but powerful Aghs imo.
     
  3. miles

    miles All I know is my gut says, maybe
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    One thing I don't understand is the Atos rework.

    Now gives less intelligence and less health, but now with 15 strength, 6 agility, and 6 damage. It was already only bought on a few heroes, and no strength/agi heroes are going to buy it. But now it's shittier for int heroes? Why?
     
  4. miles

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    Yeah, I was gonna say, yaoface at any pub dazzle having enough coin to farm up an aghs.
     
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  5. RonBurgundy

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    And with alch getting nerfed into oblivion we won't be seeing that gifted much either.

    Also, silencer, axe, OD and medusa Aghs changes are great IMO
     
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  6. Poetic

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    I've seen some carry Dazzles in my trench.

    Also, what does the attack modifier change do? Who's going to be broken off that?
     
  7. miles

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    A UAM is an altering of your normal attacks. You can only have one of them. (Previously Skadi and Deso didn't stack for this reason) Other sources of that were drow's frost arrows, viper's poison attacks, AM's mana break etc.)

    Deso isn't a unique attack modifier anymore, and neither are drow's frost arrows. I think Drow is going to be powerful again because Deso is a super good early pushing item, and that's exactly what drow likes to do. Previously didn't make sense on drow, because Frost arrows and Deso were both UAM's as mentioned, so frost arrows took priority.

    Other heroes that might benefit from it a lot are heroes like Troll that do a lot of damage and like lifesteal items like satanic and can now build Deso's and satanic, where that previously wouldn't work.
     
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  8. Poetic

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    PA would always be strong right? She likes deso and can now build lifesteal with it.
     
  9. RonBurgundy

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    Yes. PA has a passive lifesteal talent, but not taking that and getting satanic mid game after deso (skipping bkb lol) is going to be OP in pubs.

    Current PA builds have Vlads for the most part, so this allows you to get MoM (never going to happen) or more like satanic or casual morbid mask
     
  10. swiggle

    swiggle Ya'll finished or ya'll done?
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    :dubioustrump:
     
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  11. miles

    miles All I know is my gut says, maybe
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    lol that does not include playing against a DC'd mid
     
  12. RonBurgundy

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    I finally did it boys. I got Zeus in Ability Draft with Tinker abilities on the board. isGG boys, I did it! Morons didn't take rearm either, I was 9th pick. lmfao.
     
  13. miles

    miles All I know is my gut says, maybe
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    Rearm is the most abusable spell in AD. If you have first pick and you don't take it then gg
     
  14. RonBurgundy

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    Since AD is broken and Zeus, Treant and Elder Titan KEEP their original ults, plus whatever ult they choose.

    So as Zeus, you get Rearm and Thundergod's wrath. Literally after level 7 if they leave the shrine and aren't invis they are dead because you can rearm in fountain and spam zeus ult until they die.
     
  15. RonBurgundy

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    Sven win rate up 8% today!!! Whhhhhaaaaaat?
     
  16. swiggle

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    Lol, fair, even though I pretty much just stuck to jungle. But I think the spawn time helps offset the nerfs to neutral's gold/xp. I didn't have to roam around as much as I did with the old creep spawn time. It also seems a bit easier/convenient to stack now. And if you can get a do that to a camp every couple tries, that helps even more.

    And without really ganking that game, I think the changes delayed my blink by maybe a couple minutes. Of course, this might not be the case for all junglers.
     
  17. miles

    miles All I know is my gut says, maybe
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    Yeah, jungling is probably still fine if you have strong laners and/or the other team doesn't have a roamer that wrecks lanes. Losing multiple lanes hurts real bad now but if you can just weather the storm until the jungler joins fights it's still very viable.
     
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  18. miles

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    As primarily a support player, thank god for the return of neutrals spawning every minute. Constant stacking/pulling/clearing :ahh:
     
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  19. miles

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    Imagine playing support skywrath against an Ursa and PA and trying to farm up an atos instead of a force staff
     
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  20. RonBurgundy

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    Or, buying wards and sentries
     
  21. swiggle

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    Shocking that I ran into another "support" like that in my next game. This time a KOTL that rushed midas and went split push carry instead of buying a single support item. Also had an offlane spectre that was as much of a disaster as you'd expect.

    The pit lord from our game was also in said game.
     
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  22. miles

    miles All I know is my gut says, maybe
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    New OD build idea

    -Force staff
    -Aether lens
    -Aghs
    Then whatever fits the game. Think it could be really good. The ability to take 2 heroes out of fights at the beginning for 4 seconds could be really broken. Lens gives you a bunch of early mana for damage and lets you abuse aghs even more. (950 range astrals holy fuck)
     
  23. RonBurgundy

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    Right click OD so strong skipping the dragon lance is bad before Aghs I think. Also bkb is super important too otherwise he's very easy to burst down. I think aether into Aghs delays that too much.

    Situational, but weaker than getting a HPike/blink/bkb/shiva/orchid imo.
     
  24. miles

    miles All I know is my gut says, maybe
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    BKB is pretty situational on OD since Linken's is so good on him. Lot of pros usually don't get one unless they have to. Plus aether lens makes OD's right clicks even stronger at the expense of range. Bit of a trade off. But in theory you could just finish the hurricane pike before lens as well.

    Guess I'll just have to try it out.
     
    #10574 miles, May 17, 2017
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  25. RonBurgundy

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    [​IMG]

    Ability Draft:
    Jugg Crit
    Slark dark pact
    ES aftershock (Stun + damage whenever you use a skill)
    Slark ult and therefore regen/speed.

    hooooooooooooooooooooly shit. I love ability draft.
     
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  26. miles

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    Like awarded for playing the goat dota hero, juggernaut
     
  27. RonBurgundy

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    ps thanks for the NP set. How do I send gift you a hat? I have an extra Undying disco taunt I would send you as thanks.
     
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  28. miles

    miles All I know is my gut says, maybe
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    Usually you just have to wait until a week after you get it as long as your phone # is connected to your account, then you just right click it in your armory and it's an option iirc
     
  29. BrickTamland

    BrickTamland You're not Ron...
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  30. Skiddly

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    Right click on the item, then 'Gift' or 'Wrap' or something like that.
     
  31. RonBurgundy

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    had the morning off, played dota all morning. Went 1-6 and currently want to hurt myself.

    All 7 games were supports.
     
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  32. Poetic

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  33. RonBurgundy

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    Awesome idea, but who the fuck plays wisp
     
  34. miles

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    rofl the Arcana is the companion cube from Portal
     
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  35. RonBurgundy

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    It plays Still Alive after every kill and multikill
     
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  36. miles

    miles All I know is my gut says, maybe
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    I don't even play Io but now I want it
     
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  37. miles

    miles All I know is my gut says, maybe
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    And on relocate it has the orange and blue portals and makes the sound. GOAT arcana

    Fuck I love that game
     
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  38. miles

    miles All I know is my gut says, maybe
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    Ring of health now being able to be purchased by carries who can eventually turn it into a force staff/hurricane pike seems like an attempt to buff ranged carries which is nice
     
  39. RonBurgundy

    RonBurgundy Well-Known Member

    I agree with this whole chain of posts. Fuck IO, but great arcana. Portal is awesome.
     
  40. BrickTamland

    BrickTamland You're not Ron...
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    Whisp forces you to rely on your teammates doing

    A. The right thing
    B. What you expect them to do

    Why would you do that to yourself?
    [​IMG]
     
  41. RonBurgundy

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    First game last night had a wisp Arcana on the other team and yes you can hear the still alive song if it gets a kill.

    But of course they had a wisp so we won ez.

    Also I played viper because I love to create human suffering during the laning phase. 85% win rate with 14 games
     
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  42. Poetic

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    New True Sight episode on the Kiev major finals is really good. VP so cocky, OG so cool and calm. Enjoyed it.
     
  43. miles

    miles All I know is my gut says, maybe
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    Fly and N0tail just don't tilt ever.
     
  44. skiedfrillet

    skiedfrillet It's not a lie if you believe it.
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    played my first game in like 2-3 weeks

    clinkz mid vs tinker

    i had the perfect early/mid game. kill tinker, roam around bot/top for a gank. return to lane for more farm

    -25 mmr bc our PA did jack shit all game
     
  45. miles

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    Don't think I'm gonna do anything tonight so anyone for dotes
     
  46. miles

    miles All I know is my gut says, maybe
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    I always sigh when I see a carry with no hero damage and shit last hits.

    Like what were you even doing all game
     
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  47. skiedfrillet

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  48. RonBurgundy

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  49. swiggle

    swiggle Ya'll finished or ya'll done?
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    Lol at the shitters
     
  50. skiedfrillet

    skiedfrillet It's not a lie if you believe it.
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    My previous 10 games we were 9-1

    Force 50 remembers no matter how long you leave for