Electric Vehicles

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  1. racer

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    Do tell
     
  2. C A N E

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    People just being snarky about gas prices and telling people “just buy an EV!”

    I love our Model 3. Would recommend. But I would never tell someone “it’s cheaper than a civic in the long run”
     
  3. MORBO!

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    Why do people keep talking about gas? I filled up my car for $4 last night. Should get me about 240 miles on that one.
     
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  4. drewru

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    I mean, even if it’s true tho?
     
  5. Russellin4885

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    Was very close to pulling the trigger on switching from my 2018 model 3 to a new Ford Mach-E. Ford getting rid of the premium and California trim levels probably kills that for me though. Need to get at least 280+ miles of range so the Select level is out and the GT is more than I was looking to spend.
     
  6. Arliden

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    Depends where you live at the moment Europe no probably not, I've even seen some canadians paying more. Here in the US we are a bit insulated from it, but world wide the story is different.
     
  7. C A N E

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    A new civic can be had for 24k and doesn’t eat tires for a living.

    if we’re talking from a pure “what is cheapest at the end of the day”, ice cars still win.
     
  8. racer

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    I haven’t looked lately, so I could have old/bad info at this point. I believe they should make an ER in the select, and thought I saw CA RT1 was going to be offered in more configs. Could be totally wrong.

    edit oh what the fuck come on ford. Looks like they just ran out of availability?
     
  9. drewru

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    The shorter the timeline, the more likely that’s true. But if we’re comparing that $24k civic to a $30k leaf, it’s not long before the EV has a lower cost of ownership (approx. 3 years based on my driving habits and CA gas and electric costs)

    Eating tires? Faster wear in tires in EVs is due more to driving habits than anything else (regen braking). You also left out the fact that the same reason tires wear faster on an EV allows the brakes to last waay longer- just one of many maintenance requirements ICE vehicles have that EVs don’t/have but much less frequent
     
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  10. C A N E

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    a 30K leaf high terrible highway range and charges pretty slow making it pretty brutal for anything other than a commute. I sold Nissan when I sold cars. I have a soft spot for them, but the batteries degraded like crazy.

    You can rotate your tires to get 50-60k out of a set. EVs are just heavier and eat more tires. My wife drives like a grandma. Her Model 3 tires made it to 30k on our first one. First set of brakes is offset by the cost of adding a higher speed charger at home.

    Once there is a 25k EV that gets 200ish miles of range with a good, fast charging network then it’s game over.
     
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  11. drewru

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    Have a 2020 leaf with the smaller battery and agree that on highways the range leaves something to be desired, but slow charging shouldn’t really be an issue if driving less than 150 miles/day and charging at home. Hell, I trickle charge mine most of the time, and if fast charging, I’ll do it while I grocery shop.

    When we get to 200 range at $25k I agree, it’s def game over, and with tax credits that’s already a reality for a select few EVs. Currently, the evaluation on what’s cheaper depends pretty heavily on driving habits and energy costs (gas v. electric) but there are plenty of scenarios where an EV is cheaper.

    For example, we’re currently leasing our leaf for about $220/mo., 12k miles/year for 2 years. At that same price point, with same miles and same term, I could have gotten a civic or possibly a base accord. Most dealerships offer free maintenance over the course of a lease, so that’s a wash. But fuel alone will likely save me a couple grand over the 2 years.
     
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  12. racer

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    Bruh don’t make me math you on the long term cost of ownership of EVs. Residual values are a part of this formula as well. You’re not keeping a car until it hits the scrap heap.
    Plus, there is a lot of new EV-spec tire tech coming into the market.
     
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  13. drewru

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    kept my last car for 12 years. Only got rid of it because we moved cross-country and there was no way it would pass CA emissions.
     
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  15. Russellin4885

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    Was watching some videos yesterday of the Kia EV6 and I dig it. The range seems awesome, looks like the bigger battery gets 300+ pretty easily. Really wish they could have gotten the new EV bills through. Would love to just get a new Model 3 but to spend like an extra $5K in purchase price and then lose out on the $7,500 credit. I’m sure the model 3 is better but $12K better, probably not.
     
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  16. Arliden

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    (Reuters) -Electric-car maker Tesla Inc on Wednesday raised prices of its U.S. Model Y SUVs and Model 3 Long Range sedans by $1,000 each and some China-made Model 3 and Model Y vehicles by 10,000 yuan ($1,582.40), according to its website.

    https://apple.news/AHGZ7Ra29SE2CCX6KbDitUQ
     
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  17. racer

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    Found a way better deal for an ioniq 5 - so I’m doing that instead. Pretty excited.
     
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  18. Where Eagles Dare

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    Saw an ID.4 yesterday for the first time and it looked really good in person. I thought it was a normal SUV and not electric
     
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  19. Russellin4885

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    Saw one last week too and first thought was, that's a good looking car, what is it?
     
  20. PAHokie

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    Saw a white MachE today and liked it a lot more than the blue ones I’ve seen. Think my only dislike on the look is the front grill.
     
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  22. PAHokie

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    Sounds like a good opportunity for people to make some money. (I did not read anything but the tweet)
     
  23. Arliden

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    Thing is no one wants to take on these projects because of the cost of capital and the headaches it takes to get them up and going.

    The energy sphere in general is going to have this problem for the decade, imo.
     
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  24. racer

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    Smart move to get out front and blame looming supply chain failures now to keep the heat off when they inevitably fail in a year or two.
     
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  25. The Guglia

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    Put a deposit down on Volvo c40 recharge
     
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  26. DUCKMOUTH

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    The new electric Silverado has me intrigued. I’m debating ordering one
     
  27. Degausser

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    That thing looks like a Honda Ridgeline. Legit hideous imo.
     
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  28. DUCKMOUTH

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    I see it more of a throw back to Chevy Avalanche. Plus my diesel bill is expensive…
     
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  29. PAHokie

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    I want the F150, but am tempted by the R1S at a similar price.
     
  30. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Was lucky in that instead of having to wait until probably July I got a call two weeks ago about coming in to replace the battery on my 2019 Chevy Bolt. I took it in last week and they returned it after two days. I had forgotten, or maybe never read, that the new batteries we got were the 65 kWh ones, I previously had a 60 kWh which means my estimated range went from 238 mi to 259 mi. :smug:
     
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  31. Where Eagles Dare

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    Rivan has about 70k backlog. They are making 175 a week. Gonna be a minute
     
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  32. PAHokie

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    Oh yeah I think either way I’m looking at mid 2023 if I’m lucky.
     
  33. Mix

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    I am pretty sure every major car company is building a battery factory.
     
  34. Mix

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    Yeah just a quick search and VW is building for 3-600k batteries a year, Hyundai 150k, GM a million. So yeah guess Rivian might be fucked but all the real companies will be rolling in the next 2-3 years.
     
  35. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Rivian is supposed to build out a huge fucking plant off I-20 east of Atlanta in a few years as well, there's a big SK Innovation plant in NE Georgia near Commerce that opened a couple of years ago and I believe they're expanding that as well. Guessing shit will still suck for the next few years but it seems like the US will have to be close to leading in terms of number of EV batteries manufactured soon right?
     
  36. Arliden

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    It’s the raw materials that need to go into the batteries that is the problem.

    Also what you just listed is less than 2 million batteries a year, the US car market alone sells around 17 million annually.
     
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  37. Arliden

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    Forgot to quote in my above post.
     
  38. Where Eagles Dare

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    From reading the article it is much more than just manufacturing output. It's materials and mining too
     
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  39. Where Eagles Dare

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    Typical RINO Lib Kemp with Soro's money trying to ruin rural Georgia. Hopefully Sonny can stop this.
     
  40. g8r

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    It seems very fitting you would have a Chevy bolt.
     
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  42. g8r

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    even with batteries squared away we won’t have the capacity to generate enough power to charge them all.
     
  43. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Alright?
     
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  44. The Guglia

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    I love the know it all “that’s impossible” people that lay out consistent road blocks to everything because you immediately know they are some low level employee / middle manager not capable of strategic or innovative thinking
     
  45. Lyrtch

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    iirc g8r is an O+G person so he has financial incentive to do this
     
  46. The Guglia

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    i just enjoy the attempt to position oneself as the smartest and most adult person in the room

    while immediately outing oneself as not
     
  47. Degausser

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    Nice car soy boy
     
  48. g8r

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    ohhhhh boy you got me….imagine having some insight into the upcoming trends in industry generation trends. Oh then having insight into the upcoming roll off of generation facilities. Finally into the trends in load growth and how they will exceed the amount of generation available within a decade.
     
  49. g8r

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    Incorrect. I am in the finance aide of the distribution business. It would be great for my area for wide scale ev adoption. Except for that whole issue of being able to keep from having rolling brownouts.
     
  50. g8r

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    I also love for people with little knowledge of the industry running their mouth.