Electric Vehicles

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  1. Where Eagles Dare

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    Thinking about renting an EV for a trip coming up. Possibly through turo.

    If I have a 200mi trip. Would a 227mi Telsa make it or probably need a stop?
     
  2. racer

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    You’ll most likely be fine if it’s not super old or extreme weather. Also think about the running around you might do before, during, and after.
     
  3. Where Eagles Dare

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    The house has charging. I'm going ATL to Asheville, so it might be slightly hilly past Greeneville.
     
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  4. PJP3

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    probably wont make it imo unless you’re going 55 on a flat highway no A/C the whole time. I burned about 200 miles of charge on a 115 mile drive last weekend going 75-80 on a freeway. I always burn through charge quicker than the “miles” on the tank.
     
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  5. Where Eagles Dare

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    Ok, yeah I'd expect to be cruising at 80 most of the way.

    If I had to make a charging stop half way, what am I looking at timewise?
     
  6. PJP3

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    not much. 10 min maybe.
     
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  7. racer

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    Rent a proper EV
     
  8. Where Eagles Dare

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    Don't see anything besides tesla on Turo
     
  9. afb

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    plz dont make this some android/apple nonsense
     
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    Interesting video/discussions on the current state of the fast charging network. The over arching theme and pain points discussed are one of the few major factors as to why I'm waiting another couple years on transitioning from ICE to EV.

     
  11. racer

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    I don’t have 90 minutes to listen to Kyle yammer right now. I have seen him reposting some EA stations that are down, but that seems to be a them thing, and not a overall thing. I agree the entire American system is far, far behind Europe.
    Personally I’ve used ChargePoint’s big new units and Greenlots/Shell in the last few months since I haven’t been near an EA while needing a fast change and had no issues.

    I’m always a little skeptical of his non-Tesla takes because he’s an enormous dick rider for them and it tends to show when it comes opinion time after he crunches numbers.
     
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    Yeah it's not about that and everyone on the video does a good job explaining their positions.
     
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  13. Tommy Jefferson

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    Haven’t watched the video either, but I assume that they talk about the frequency they use home charging vs. charging stations?

    I don’t necessary feel your reluctance is wrong, and for a single vehicle household or apartment dweller it’s probably prudent to take the step to EV with caution. However, the vast majority of the time everyone else will be charging at their home anyway. Daily commutes won’t necessitate using these stations if you can charge overnight at home. The best way to increase charging stations number and quality is to increase demand by increasing the number of EVs on the road.
     
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  14. racer

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    Agreed. Single vehicle EV household and very few issues. The benefits outweigh the cons by quite a lot. And I’m in an area with relatively sparse charging infrastructure.
     
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  15. AptosDuck

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    Charging at home is waaay cheaper anyway. Haven't used a public charger yet

    90 minutes of Why Can't We Be Like Europe why indeed
     
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    It's not about that at all. It's about the fairly recent (last ~6 months) trend of the fast charging network regressing and having more and more issues.

    Guess we'll find out because car manufacturers are selling new EV's much faster than charging station companies are building/improving their infrastructure. At this point I think your take is completely wrong because other than Tesla (and Rivian is just starting), no car makers are in the fast charging space.
     
  17. Tommy Jefferson

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    Ah, that summary helps and maybe I’ll watch this evening. I still think my point stands that demand will drive maintenance and number of charging stations.

    I’m not following your logic on the second point. The fact that most automakers aren’t in the charging business is irrelevant. Traditional automakers aren’t in the gasoline business. When Ford/GMC/VW pump out more cars, there will necessarily be an increase in demand for charging stations to some degree. Regardless of which cooperation steps in, whether an automaker or not, there is money to be made and someone will take advantage of that. With that said, the demand isn’t there yet. In my experiences, I’ve yet to see a charging station with all of the stalls filled and other cars waiting. I know that’s not always true in all areas of the country, but in general, the supply is sufficient for demand for now.
     
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  18. afb

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    What are your driving habits? To and from an office, how far? Road trips?
     
  19. bwi2

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    Hard to see a use case for fast charging outside of road trips.
     
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  20. racer

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    I’d imagine some people think they’ll fill up like a gas car to avoid putting in a charging unit at home.
     
  21. Russellin4885

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    I live in Raleigh, NC and have had my Tesla for 2 years now and my family has used it for every trip we’ve taken in that time frame. Pretty much all over from Savannah, over to Asheville, up to DC and in between. In that time I have never waited for a charger, shit, they’re for the most part empty most of the time. The only one that I’ve ever seen even close was the one here in Raleigh. That’s the busiest one I’ve ever seen consistently but they just added 12 new 250kwh chargers so not an issue anymore. They also just opened a new station in Cary, NC right off of 40.
     
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    Currently wfh but that may change as looking for different job now.

    More than that though...if I were to switch my only vehicle to EV I would run into issues any time I went to my hometown which is in rural NE where my charging would be limited to a normal wall outlet while I would be there. Same deal if I were to go to my sister/bro in laws as he's a farmer so they live in the country. Those are just a couple examples. It's all possible but at this point in 2022 there would be some big inconveniences. I'll just wait a couple years for the battery tech and charging infrastructure to improve.
     
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  23. pperc

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    What do we think of the new Kia EV6 GT?
     
  24. The Guglia

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    I use my standard wall outlet at home 99% of the time for now and I feel like my car is always above 50%.

    I was in Rome, GA last week and used a Chargepoint super fast charger (all of the spaces were empty).
     
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  25. Bo Pelinis

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    Feels like if you live in a state like NE you can’t only have an electric vehicle for a while. Too much ground to cover with not enough ev adoption to drive charger demand
     
  26. racer

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    At user 1 - do you mind sharing an approximate area that you’re talking about? My in-laws are in a rural hole and we manage. Also farms generally have a 220 for welders and such.

    Also, my general rule with everything is not to sacrifice 90% for 10%. I’ve contemplated renting or borrowing a car a couple times, but forged ahead and did fine.
     
  27. drewru

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    def not sufficient in Bay Area or so cal.
     
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  28. drewru

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    Those folks would be better off trickle charging at home.
     
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    Yeah, everyone's situation is gonna be so different. Plus there's gonna be some inconveniences at this point no matter what. Some people are gonna be more tolerant to that than others. On the flip side...never having to buy gas would be great! Better for the environment in the long term, also great.

    Hometown is ~250 mi. round trip. Sister/bro in laws is ~300 mi. round trip in different direction than hometown. That would be the distances if you drove there and back which never happens. Always end up driving around the areas too. Like I said...it's all possible, just would run into very inconvenient situations at this point. Another couple years where somewhat affordable EV's all have a bit better range and/or there's just more and better charging infrastructure everywhere and I think I'll be good.
     
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  30. bigred77

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    I think that would be a big step in convincing the masses to make the jump to ev.
    I don't think we are all that far from it considering I've seen Tesla charging stations with 5 or 6 stations (I assume theyare fast chargers) in small towns like Johnson city, Texas (population 1600)
     
  31. Scblue

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    Even with this, I've had a EV for over a year and just got one for my wife a little over a month ago, and the SoCal options are still fine. I initially was going to have a home unit installed, but EA is at my grocery store a couple minutes away, so it hasn't been necessary. Still might do it at some point for the convenience and because we now have two EVs.
     
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  32. drewru

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    My experience in so cal is strictly as a visitor. When home charging is available, even on a 110v I rarely use a charging station. But during my last trip to LA, available tesla chargers were few and mostly located in garages that didn’t charge for the juice but did for the parking
     
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  33. racer

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    Constant DC charging isn’t great for the battery health and capacity over time.
     
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  34. bigred77

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    Wife driving an EV?
    100% gunna want that at home unit.

    If I could fill my wife's car with gas at home, it would have saved me God knows how many trips to the gas station over the years
     
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    Maybe stay away from the district of Columbia then
     
  36. pianoman

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    Got my Lightning order email tonight. I didn’t realize they aren’t manufacturing any more Pro models until after reservations are all filled. I knew they wouldn’t have extended range option but thought we’d still have normal range as an option. Probably going to get an XLT and if I don’t think it’s worth it, I’ll just flip it.
     
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  37. racer

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    If you can swing it the features like Phone as a key, Blue Cruise that I believe only come on Lariat and up are game changers.
     
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  38. ButchCassidy

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    Saw a commercial for the new Chevy EV; looks nice.
     
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  39. PAHokie

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    Saw my first lightening in person. Very jealous.
     
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  40. Clemson327

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    Passed a new R1T in BFE, SC on the way to work this morning. The forest green looks nice.
     
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  41. Where Eagles Dare

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    Saw my first one yesterday. Thought it looked pretty small. Def not a "full size truck". I liked how it looked
     
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  42. Kylebw1

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    Someone has one downtown quite often in front of the Calhoun.
     
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    I’ll keep an eye out next time we’re downtown. This was out 29 near the Jockey Lot.
     
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  44. racer

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  46. Tommy Jefferson

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    Those 17 states that are dragging their feet on applying for this funding will be the same states that say because infrastructure isn’t sufficient, EVs will never be sustainable
     
  47. Russellin4885

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    Own a Tesla model 3, just had my second child and wife is uncomfortable with the rear facing car seat behind her. She's pretty tall at 5' 8" so it's making her pretty cramped in the passenger seat. Was thinking about getting a Volkswagen ID.4 to hold me over till I can get the lighting or something bigger. Anyone have any thoughts or input about that?
     
  48. racer

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    The Mach-E is pretty roomy for a car of its size. By dimensions it has 3 inches on m3 (35.2 vs 38.2) for rear leg room. We’ve had a rear facing convertible seat back there and could go pretty much all the way back, but not a carrier.
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    I’d say any of those would be sufficient.
    Polestar 2 is in the 33 range.
     
  49. AptosDuck

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    With the wait times on these cars, your kids might all be out of booster seats by the time you get one
     
  50. Russellin4885

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    I didn't realize the EV6 had that much room, was actually thinking about getting one of those before the baby anyway.
    Was afraid of that, I knew Tesla is crazy backed up but didn't know if that was across the EV board.