If you can be replaced by a high school teen then it might be tiring but it’s not hard. I know that sounds like a dickish thing to say, but it’s true. All employees should be treated well and with respect because their humans, not gaslighting everyone into thinking low level work is hard
and then does his best Koch bros impression and turns around and complains about how the govt shouldn’t give out subsidies
I have worked closely with dozens of them. Once a company is rolling along ok the next 3 levels do the vast majority of the decision making and executive function. Obviously the workers do 90 pct of the rest of the lift. CEOs of private companies exist to make some hard calls that can’t be resolved at the vp to evp level and deal with PE. In public companies you add “Wall Street fluffing” to that task list I have never met a CEO that had a rougher day to day than some vp of ops that actually has to make a shit ton of calls “on the field “ Anecdotal, but since the subject is highly subjective that’s the best info we have (as one cannot scientifically study the difficulty of a position)
Facebook may have started us down this path with the timeline and the like button. Twitter followed suit with the retweet feature (which Facebook then copied as the share feature.) It’s all gone to shit and taken our society with it.
Man - what are you getting at. The four statements I posted are very dumb, that was the point of the post. There are a lot of really smart people who have to parrot those very dumb things to be part of the religious political in-group. Deviating from a set of principles is good when, taken to logical conclusion, they lead to very dumb outcomes Hence my resistance to being too far one way or the other. I’m not mad by the way! We’re too old to be mad these days
Being a startup CEO is hard, same with a and b stage funding CEO roles. But once you hit 40-60mm per year, it gets way easier. Interestingly enough that seems to be when the salary imbalances btw their salaries and those of the workers start to diverge more aggressively
I am not going to juxtapose those things bc I think (hope?) he understood that. I was just positing that the difficulty of the role is overstated in my exp (which is not unsubstantial)
TMB: where the average poster could've been Bezos or Musk if only they were in the right place at the right time or had a little bit more money to found/buy a company.
Dbl you seem like a fine fellow but you should be tried at The Hague for subjecting this board to a decade+ of idiocy and bad faith argument. Look forward to seeing you swinging back right when the next breeze blows by
Also the diamond mine stuff: does everyone just assume Elon and his mom and the countless articles on that backstory are lies? And even if you think he had some massive funding from his dad, are we ignoring that he turned whatever money he had from his dad into founding Zip2, getting acquired by Compaq and making $22m, founded x.com, merged to form paypal, took the profits from that to invest in Tesla, founded SpaceX, blah blah blah? Like at what point does starting with idk $10m from his dad (no evidence of that btw) and founding a bunch of companies and betting on himself to make a shitload of money become impressive? Because there are plenty of people with access to far more money than that who have never done anything remotely as impressive.
Waking up at 4am to go do manual labor is hard. Working 2 jobs to feed your kids is hard. Fuck outta here with this bullshit. Not a single CEO would trade roles with someone that does landscaping so skip me with this hard shit.
See above. Care to share a source to any funding from his dad? This backstory isn't supported in anything I've ever read. And if it is, it doesn't diminish what he has accomplished.
Gallant Knight once got on here to complain about his long hours, which included taking clients to Astros games. So that's the type of clown you're dealing with here.
Half this thread is shitting on CEOs, founders, and business owners. I find that more weird than acting like Musk might be intelligent and being impressed by his accomplishments. Also he can totally be a weirdo piece of shit human too. Both things can be true.
but does the piece of shit part not affect the way you view his accomplishments? if he did all those things, at least in part, due to nefarious acts should we really still be impressed?
There's a lot of great CEO's out there. There's CEO's and owners that actually care about their employees instead of just trying make themselves as rich as possible. Musk isn't one of those.
Ah yes a totally normal reaction from the well adjusted portion of this board. I think he’s generally an awful person, doesn’t understand crypto, and an impressive founder/allocator of capital. Crazy take I know.
SpaceX is really his only impactful company and he pretty much leaves them alone. Even then they are pretty hated for their constant explody-type tests down in Texas. Tesla exists as a company that makes shitty cars in order to sell carbon offsets to other manufacturers. They get some credit for pushing the market but they have not yet shown the ability to build quality cars at mass (big three level) scale
"If" is doing an awful lot of work in this sentence. But sure, lay out all of the illegal stuff he did as it relates to his history of founding and running companies. He made like $180m out of the Paypal deal. What did he do illegal prior to that? Have I missed the illegal activity rumors associated with spacex? I don't know him personally and neither do you, so the question is a hypothetical that's awfully hard to consider or answer without knowing exactly what you think is illegal that led to his accomplishments.
also I can get 5G ultra wideband internet from Verizon at my house right now for $25 a month and it’s 600 mbit. Starlink is nearly obsolete before it’s done and is more likely to succeed at creating space junk than anything else
Kanye West is a piece of shit. I like some of his music. Tiger Woods is a piece of shit. Seemingly a ton of people on this board root for him in golf. Hmmmmmm.
really casting a wide net here and calling everything equal. I think there are different levels to the way "pieces of shit" negatively affect the world.
If you want someone to consider that his accomplishments should be diminished or altogether dismissed due to illegal activity, it would help by offering facts in support of that claim. Onus being on the person making the argument and all.
After further contemplation: The companies I have worked with/for that have been the most generous up and down the line were those that: a) had never taken any PE money or had done so and then managed to get out from under the PE B) we’re not publicly traded and did not seek to ever become so take from that what you will