EPL 2019-2020 - Where VAR is run by a 12 year old

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  1. Illinihockey

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    Its always been about money, have they pretended otherwise?
     
  2. Andy Reocho

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    Where have they said it’s about money? We know it is, but they haven’t ever said it.
     
  3. SugarShaun

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    I think people on this board have recognized that but I think in general it’s been a “we have to finish the season” without really providing reasoning of why it’s necessary, just that it is.
     
  4. Illinihockey

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    Every article you see come out, teams reference how much TV money would have to be paid back if they don't restart. I've seen plenty of articles talking about how some teams wouldn't be able to pay players and staff without that money.
     
  5. Andy Reocho

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    Is that the FA saying that the EPL must continue for money?

    Because that’s what I said
     
  6. El_Pato

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    Liverpool is gonna be awarded the title whether it restarts or not so I don't give a shit. If they play then cool, if not then cool too
     
  7. YNWA

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    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...doubt-as-wto-rules-pirate-tv-channel-is-saudi

    The controversial £300m Saudi Arabia-funded takeover of Newcastle United appears to be in serious doubt after the World Trade Organisation ruled that the country is behind a pirate satellite TV and streaming service that offers illegal access to sporting events, the Guardian can reveal.

    While the WTO’s 130-page final report will not be published until mid-June, it is understood that the independent ruling firmly establishes that the Saudi government is behind beoutQ. It can also be revealed that the Premier League, which received the WTO report this month, made submissions against Saudi Arabia as part of the legal process.

    Previously Fifa, Uefa, the Premier League, La Liga and others have tried to take legal action against beoutQ in Saudi Arabia for illegally streaming matches, but nine local legal firms declined to take on the copyright case. Subsequently a case against Saudi Arabia was taken to the WTO, the highest judicial body that could rule on the matter. It has now issued its ruling – finding that Saudi Arabia is in breach of international law as a result of beoutQ.

    The development will raise fundamental questions about whether Newcastle’s takeover – which would lead to Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund taking an 80% stake in the club, with PCP Capital Partners and the property developers David and Simon Reuben taking 10% each – will pass the Premier League’s owners’ and directors’ test. That test can be failed if a crime is committed overseas that would also be one in the UK. It is also made clear to prospective owners that false, misleading or inaccurate information cannot be submitted to the Premier League.

    With Saudi Arabia’s crown prince and de facto ruler, Mohammed bin Salman, also the chairman of the Public Investment Fund, the WTO report establishes a clear legal link between the beoutQ piracy service and the Saudi state. However, that link is denied by the country as well as Newcastle’s prospective Saudi majority owners.

    It is now almost two months since the consortium contacted the Premier League for approval – a process that was expected to take around 30 days. When the Guardian reported a fortnight ago that there was likely to be further delay, the consortium insisted it was “very hopeful” the deal would be approved imminently.

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    Meanwhile the British government has taken the issue of Saudi piracy so seriously that Liam Fox, the then secretary of state at the Department for International Trade, wrote to a colleague last July to say that he had “written to Dr Majed Al Qasabi, the minister for commerce and investment in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and [that] the Chancellor of the Exchequer [then Philip Hammond] has recently raised beoutQ with Ministers in Saudi Arabia”.

    Saudi Arabia had previously claimed beoutQ originated in Cuba and Colombia, prompting the governments of both countries to issue firm denials. It later emerged that beoutQ was being broadcast from the Arabsat satellite, which is majority-owned by the Saudi state and has its headquarters in the country.

    BeoutQ has since been removed from Arabsat. However, beoutQ illegal set-top boxes which allow the streaming of major broadcasters, including Sky and BT, are still widely available widely across the region. In January, Saudi Arabia was named in a European commission report for its failure to crack down on the platform. It also remains on a US government priority watch list as one of the “notorious markets for counterfeiting and piracy”.

    Recently, the president of La Liga, Javier Tebas, urged the Premier League to consider the damage that beoutQ’s pirating of broadcasts had caused the sport before deciding on the Newcastle takeover.

    Amnesty International has also asked the league to consider blocking the takeover, saying that Bin Salman has been involved in a “sweeping crackdown on human rights”. Hatice Cengiz, the fiancee ofthe murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi, who was killed in 2018 inside Saudi Arabia’s consulate in Turkey, has also said the takeover should be blocked over his death.

    The Premier League refused to comment about the latest developments when contacted by the Guardian.
     
  8. NineteenNine

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  9. YNWA

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    Andy Reocho What are you hearing from the Newcastle side of things?
     
  10. Andy Reocho

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    Word was the EPL had been looking into the piracy thing and gave a go, with latest on the twitter front makes it sound like within the week it's announced

    :idk:
     
  11. Andy Reocho

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    TV piracy being the reason the PIF can't buy Newcastle will be a hilarious story for the rest of time, if it goes down that way
     
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    The WTO people need to invest heavily in bodyguards asap
     
  13. Tony Wonder

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    Same author wrote about that May 11th, the day the EPL received the report. Still being said there is no tie between the parties and the illegal streaming service.

    If it was a deal breaker why wait 2 weeks? My guess is they are using it as leverage to try to resolve the issue.

    However, no one knows anything one way or the other. To fail the test they would presumably need a direct link or evidence to tie it to one of the parties.

    I hope the EPL is doing their due diligence so they can say they did bc their is rightfully going to be blow back if/when they approve this. But they also do not want PIF to invest in a rival league.
     
  14. Andy Reocho

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    PIF has basically said they're trying to set up something like City has across Europe
     
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  15. Tony Wonder

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    I saw that, but like City, Newcastle would be the flagship club. The EPL doesn't want this to fail and have PIF purchase Roma or someone like that was point my point.
     
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  16. Tony Wonder

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    This is a good thread if anyone is interested in the piracy claims and what it could mean...

     
  17. BleedinGreen

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    Far be it for me to get mad at a club for suddenly coming into a bunch of cash but the fact that bone-sawing a WaPo journalist is NBD and possibly having a hand in sports rights piracy is a death sentence for buying a club is almost too on the nose.
     
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    I have no clue what y’all are talking about
     
  19. Tony Wonder

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    Newcastle. We are a club up north.
     
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  20. Illinihockey

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    I think we should just trust Saudi Arabia. Is there any evidence of oil nations lying about money to soccer governing bodies?
     
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  21. NineteenNine

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  23. RockHardJawn39

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    All Liverpool fans are scumbag pieces of shit that care more about silverware than human life, or something - Tobias, probably
     
  24. TheFreak55

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    :hilldawg:
     
  25. SugarShaun

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    I will accept this as an admission on behalf of Tobias
     
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  26. Illinihockey

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  27. WillySaliba

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    I like the irony of picking the guy who probably practices the least in the league.
     
  28. AUShyGuy

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    Was gonna say something about an aversion to contact but that works too
     
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  29. TheFreak55

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  30. SugarShaun

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    Is ET 4 or 5 hours difference? 5?
    So for us that would be (ET)
    Weekends
    7AM, 9AM, 11AM, 1PM, 3PM

    Weekdays
    1PM and 3PM
     
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  31. TheFreak55

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    its currently 3:48 over there..
     
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  32. RockHardJawn39

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    I started getting really excited about this until the thought of NBC putting most of this on GOLD crept into my head.
     
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  33. WillySaliba

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    It's 5.
     
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  34. SugarShaun

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    I wonder how many different people can use my gold at once
     
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  35. Owsley

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    goddammit
     
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  36. NineteenNine

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    Definitely possible. But would be cutting off your nose to spite your face kinda stuff.

    Here, here’s life sports to put on your sports channel! Yay! Let’s now hide them.
     
  37. TheFreak55

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    There was also some talk Premier League would air on regular youtube
     
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  38. TheFreak55

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    also wonder if there is still the potential of Untied Spurs on the first Friday
     
  39. Illinihockey

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    NBC has nothing to air. It'd be insane for them to put a bunch of games on Gold.
     
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  40. TheFreak55

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    something something lack of faith in the dark side disturbing
     
  41. SugarShaun

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    Since the return, Fox has aired matches on FS2 so they could air Cowherd on FS1. Let’s not assume anything
     
  42. YNWA

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    They will 100% be putting games on Gold.
     
  43. YNWA

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    And it would be peak NBC to make you renew for next year if you had last year purchased.
     
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  44. SugarShaun

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    I was wondering about this
     
  45. Gallant Knight

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    They don’t have the bundesliga rights for next year so they’re not interested in cultivating fans
     
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  46. JGator1

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    For Saturday and Sunday there's only gonna be one game on at a time so everything will be on NBCSN or NBC. For the weekday games I'm sure some will wind up on gold since there's only 4 slots available.
     
  47. SugarShaun

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    They also have always sucked
     
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  48. SugarShaun

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    You guys have a lot more faith in NBC than I do
     
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    I presume NBC will put games on Gold because they need the revenue given the ad revenue hit they’re taking across the board
     
  50. SugarShaun

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    Oh hey Leipzig, one of the most exciting teams in the league is playing on FS2 for Cowherd on FS1