*** EPL 2023-2024: Calling 5-0 to hold the boys in blue accountable

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  1. Jorts

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    Pretty happy, seeing as we've had to pay unwanted players to go away for the last decade
     
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  3. RockHardJawn39

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    Jurgen was so warshed
     
  4. TheSkeeter

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    These aren’t being sold at inflated prices though. At least not the Villa and Everton sells. We sold Dobbins for 9 million and probably bought Villa’s player for about the same. The overpayment argument is completely made up to create outrage
     
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  5. PeterGriffin

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    Look, you’ve gotta spend big to get the freshest stadium. Might know something about that if your team wasn’t playing in the same shithole since 1892 :old:

    (idk if St James Park sucks or not, they’ve done major renovations as recently as 2000 with some minor seat expansions since)
     
  6. Andy Reocho

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    Expansion/new build is being looked into.

    Thank god the league is preventing the club from goin into, checks notes, tens of millions in debt. That way they can afford to build.
     
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  7. AUShyGuy

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    Won’t pretend to know anything about Dobbins or Iroegbunam, maybe £9M is fair value. (Transfermarkt has £2.5M and £4M)

    Chelsea paying £19M for Kellyman (transfermarkt £1M) is the better example. Again no clue on the player.

    Good moves by Villa to figure out a way to buy Maatsen within the PSR rules but could also see why the league would be concerned over more clubs doing it at even higher amounts and player impact (guess they don’t have to sign).
     
  8. RockHardJawn39

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    I honestly don't give a fuck about any of this. Who cares? City will win the league again next year and punishing this, or not punishing this, doesn't come close to mattering.
     
  9. PeterGriffin

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    If we don't punish other clubs for City's misdeeds, why are we even here?
     
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  10. TheSkeeter

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    Care there. With this level of melancholy, you’re mighty close to sounding like an Everton fan
     
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  11. zeberdee

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    net debt isn’t meaningful, especially for clubs that own valuable fixed assets like stadiums
     
  12. PeterGriffin

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    Tottenham is worst in net debt on the chart... and is +5m profit over the last three years due to great revenues like being one of the most expensive matchday tickets, NFL matches, and Bey concerts (from a PSR article from March I found).
     
  13. Andy Reocho

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    I was countering the claim that it’s about protecting clubs from going into debt. Villa has zero debt, Newcastle has very minimal debt, and Forest doesn’t have as much compared to others either.

    And the stadium bit is fair for y’all, Spurs, and I assume Everton’s is already calculated in that. Not so much for United and Chelsea :idk:
     
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  14. RockHardJawn39

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    United's is hilarious because it's from the Glazers buying the team
     
  15. NYGator

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    Such a straw man argument. Debt without context is a dumb argument. It’s also not part of the rules they all agreed to.
     
  16. NYGator

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    It doesn’t protect clubs from going into debt. It protects them from becoming insolvent, but let’s be real…it was an attempt at a salary cap.
     
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  17. Andy Reocho

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    Huh? I didn’t make the debt/debt protection argument.

    I agree it’s not about debt protection, considering the clubs hampered by the rules right now don’t have that wild of debt
     
  18. NYGator

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    What…

    you are the one posting the debt stats and this…

     
  19. Andy Reocho

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    Read the post below. He cited protecting clubs from going into debt(financial ruin). I pulled up the chart to show most the clubs aren’t in debt/that’s not the issue.

    HTH

     
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  20. AUShyGuy

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    Chelsea have lost £90M, £121M, and £132M for the past 3 years, have £200M in amortized transfers, and their current debt considers Roman just wrote off £1.5B in personal loans when Todd and Co. bought it.

    Isn’t a major point of PSR to try and avoid Gov regulation on clubs sustainability (however poorly implemented or misguided it is)?

    As zeberdee mentioned, the type of debt differs but just to play it safe we should put MU and Spurs into administration immediately
     
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  21. Andy Reocho

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    I think that's the argument/justification, but that doesn't mean it's reality :twocents:

    Most of the clubs struggling with PSR right now aren't in financial hell. The closest is Everton, but they just got new owners and I imagine a lot of their debt is tied to the new stadium being built(just like Arsenal and Spurs).

    PSR is effectively just protecting the Sky 6 clubs because they have the built in advantage of their revenues already being insane compared to the Villas, Newcastles, and Forests
     
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    PSR allows for 0 room for anyone to break the glass ceiling in any consistent manner because by the time you get to champions league you must sell the players it took to get you there. If any Sky-6 team doesn’t want to ever tempt PSR, then they will be stuck in mid table hell or below.
     
  23. Iron Mickey

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    I saw the Athletic just ran an article that these homegrown transfers “jar the moral fabric of football” and it confirmed a growing suspicion I have. Since a ton of readership for that is American fans, and American fans are liberals, the idea of corporate malpractice gets a lot of juice. This is sophisticated clickbait.

    IT’S NOT TASTEFUL! Lmao
     
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    i'm just happy that this board is adopting the term sky 6
     
  25. SugarShaun

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    Austria win Group D over Netherlands and France. That Ralf Rangnick might be one to watch if EtH doesn’t work out
     
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  27. Andy Reocho

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    :laugh:



    Edited to remove poor word choice.
     
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  28. AUShyGuy

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    What’s he got to do with any of those 6 clubs?
     
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  29. TheFreak55

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    The casual homophobia is a nice touch from you
     
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  30. TheSkeeter

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    Is Ratcliffe gay?
     
  31. SugarShaun

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    I’ve tried to cut that out of my vocabulary because I appreciate people who suck cock, it’s a wonderful thing
     
  32. football501

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  33. Andy Reocho

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    :meh:

    Sorry for criticizing your new dad.
     
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  34. TheFreak55

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    and a reminder Newcastle lost that match
     
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  35. Andy Reocho

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    Oh man. You got me!! FOH
     
  36. TheFreak55

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    Sorry you have a raging hard on for SJR because he won't pay 20m for DoF and what else is the intent of calling another man a cocksucker? Do better
     
  37. TheSkeeter

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    He’s calling out Ratcliffe for saying the quiet part out loud. That the owners of the sky-6 feel like the rules should only protect them and further pull the ladder up. But you probably knew that.
     
  38. Andy Reocho

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    Do better at reading comprehension
     
  39. TheFreak55

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    what else is the intent of calling another man a cocksucker?
     
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  40. Andy Reocho

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    Brother. You know there was zero homophobic intent on that. But keeping spinning/deflecting away from the point of the post.
     
  41. RockHardJawn39

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    Very "I didn't use a hard R. I said uh at the end".

    "I'm sorry I shouldn't have called someone that. I'll do better" is all you had to say instead of trying to justify it.

    I don't think anyone thought there was intent. Just say my bad and move on
     
  42. TheFreak55

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  43. Andy Reocho

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    My bad. I’ll use better words next time.

    Still comedic that he decided to go the Ashworth excuse instead of recognizing that Ratcliffe is a cartel supporter
     
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    obligatory…
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  45. chuckmasterflex

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    Looks kinda like Magruber
     
  47. RockHardJawn39

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    Didn't want this to get lost in the euros thread

     
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  49. hood b. goode

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    the only blemish on mourinhos record is how he treated dele
     
  50. AUShyGuy

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