Everson Griffin situation

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  1. Jack Parkman

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    Hope nobody gets hurt and he gets more help



     
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  4. ned's head

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    Shit. Hoping for the best
     
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  5. poor paul

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    damn

    I hope he gets the help he needs.
     
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  6. Jack Parkman

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    Sucks to always have to be like is this preexisting or CTE
     
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    Not good
     
  10. Larry Sura

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    I hope he gets help.
     
  11. Jack Parkman

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  12. El_Pato

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    Looks like too much cocaine to me
     
  13. Jack Parkman

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  14. NilesIrish

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    Another situation where police are the wrong solution. Of course he’s not coming out for the cops.
     
  15. Kent Pavelka

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    Yeah he had another episode several years ago. Paranoia. Schizo-affective type stuff.
     
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  16. audrew

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    Well, dude’s fucking armed. Who else is going to be willing to go in there?
     
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  17. NilesIrish

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    Not more armed dudes that he is likely sketchy about on a normal day.

    mental health professionals with minimal (preferably unseen) police back up.
     
  18. audrew

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    How do you know that’s not what’s happening now? I’m sure Officer Stobansky in full swat gear isn’t the one talking to him.
     
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  19. Lyrtch

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    mental health professionals
     
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  20. Jack Parkman

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    Read the statement

    he called 911 asking for the police and that he had fired a shot inside the home

    viking psychologists have been assisting in communicating with him since 7am
     
  21. NilesIrish

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    I’m not there, so I don’t know, you’re likely correct, but officer S is likely behind presenting a “threat”.
     
  22. Duck70

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    Man good thing he has a gun. Everyone should have guns.
     
  23. RalfBully

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    I was just at a wedding with Trae Waynes two wks ago and he brought up the story about Everson Griffen then. Didnt have anything earth shattering to say, but I had completely forgot about it.
     
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    My first thought was cte
     
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  28. Daniel Ocean

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    calling cops is just about the worst thing JMHO
     
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    Not ideal phrasing
     
  30. Jax Teller

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    Isn't he the one that called them?
     
  31. DJ Bosa

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    Honestly curious, what do you think would be the best way to handle this?
     
  32. Daniel Ocean

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    mental health workers or social workers. My therapist and psychologist both told me to call them if I was doing bad or feeling suicidal. Calling individuals with guns who don’t know how to deal with people in crisis and aren’t trained to de-escalate situations like these only lead to tragedies. The “well he had a gun” replies illustrate that if the cops show up and kill him many would see it as justifiable. There are countless examples of cops showing up to someone who is have a mental health crisis and killing then instead of calming the situation down. This isn’t a knock on cops they aren’t trained for things like this.
     
  33. DJ Bosa

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    I don’t think any logical person is looking at as “he had a gun” like you’re explaining. What about sending a mental health worker into a situation with a possible delusional and armed individual? That doesn’t seem intelligent to me either.
    I think the solution is a combination of the two. I’m not smart enough to figure out what that looks like.
     
  34. DollarBillHokie

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    Sending a professional trained and experienced in de-escalating situations with potentially delusional and armed individuals doesn’t sound intelligent to you?
     
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  35. Lyrtch

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    this is actually very very common, you might have someone armed out of sight
     
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  36. Lyrtch

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    if every situation with a gun requires more people with guns interacting it almost always ends poorly
     
  37. Daniel Ocean

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    huh? You explain why It’s bad to send someone in when someone is armed. Not to mention this reply. Sending cops in to deal with someone in the mists of a mental health crisis is the worst thing you can do imo.

     
  38. DJ Bosa

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    Huh?
     
  39. Daniel Ocean

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    audrew said “he is fucking armed” you said “sending a social worker to an armed and delusional person” doesn’t seem smart. Like I said, this train of thought allows seeing when cops kill someone in situations like this one as justified. Cops go in with an adversarial mindset. They see most people as criminals. They aren’t there to de-escalate the situation. They are there to end it and killing the “delusional individual who is fucking armed “ is justifiable to them and to those who ask “who is going to go in there and what were the cops supposed to do”. Social workers, mental health advocates are trained for these situations.
     
  40. 20/20/20/20

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    Huh?
     
  41. DJ Bosa

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    Again honest question. Is their data showing that mental health professionals deescalate these situations with a positive outcome more than police officers? Not trying to be a cunt just trying to form an informative opinion.
     
  42. Daniel Ocean

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    yes but unfortunately cops are sent out more often. I think we are programmed to believe certain things. And we fight against what we are accustomed to. Sending a social worker or mental health professional to someone who is suicidal shouldn’t be a controversial opinion. But, most people are used to sending out cops.

    There police chiefs all over on the place that say they are spread too thin but instead of advocating for other better suited individuals they say don’t blame us when we fuck up. And this is what “defund the police” means. It doesn’t mean shutdown police departments. It means use the funds to help individuals who are better trained to handle certain situations like this one. A therapist or social worker that can talk someone down is better than a cop that walks in trigger happy because he sees EG as a perp and not a man in the mist of a mental health crisis.
     
  43. DJ Bosa

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    Yeah man that makes sense.
    Again, I think you need both in these situations. I don’t think dudes running in with guns and using force is always the answer but I also think there could be a lot of situations where it could be.
     
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  44. Daniel Ocean

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    In a hostage situation yeah maybe guns are needed. In a suicidal situation I think introducing more guns and “violent” mentality is the wrong thing to do. I don’t own guns because I truly believe they be more of a danger to me than protection. I just (and this is just my opinion) dudes in the state of mind like EG here are looking for help and not violence. Someone who will listen and talk them down will imo be more useful. Obviously I could be wrong but I just think we need to stop spreading cops so thin that the natural outcome is violence and tragedy.
     
  45. DollarBillHokie

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    Is your argument that there needs to be a basic level of nuance to this? Nobody believes you should send a social worker into a room where a guy has 100 hostages and is executing them 1 at a time.
     
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  46. DJ Bosa

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    My argument is you don’t understand a situation until you’ll there and it’s better to be prepared for all scenarios. It’s easy to look at it after the fact and say A would work better than B.