Amazing. Covers the 2003 story of the pizza delivery driver who was forced by unknown assailants to rob a bank wearing a homemade collar bomb. Cops stopped him, timer ran out, bomb went off.
Watched it last night. 1. Why is the black cop admitting over and over to being just horrible at his job? He could have solved this on day one if he looked into the van at all. 2. Feds weren't much better. 3. Not sure how him being a part of it makes it not murder. He definitely didn't know the plan was to put a live bomb around his neck and likely had no clue about anything. That shit is straight up murder. 4. Wonder why it took so long for someone to buy this from him. Took him like 5 years from when he finished.
4. I wonder if they took Marjorie’s threats of a lawsuit seriously and just waited for her to die? Wells is just confusing. The confessions from the other two guys make it sound like he was scared/not fully aware of his role when he delivered the pizzas and they put the collar on him, but then based on his actions with the lollipop and strolling along, makes me think he had some confidence/belief the bomb wasn’t real, i.e. knew the plan. But it’s just bizarre Wells stuck to the “two black guys” story while sitting there cuffed if he thinks the bomb is real.
Agree its weird he wouldn't start naming names as its beeping. But its pretty clear he was a very slow man they took advantage of one way or the other.
Binged this all last night, man that was crazy. Thought Rothstien got off the hook way too easily and dismissed as a suspect for the Wells case way too quickly. I mean the guy has a body in his freezer 200 yards from where someone strapped a bomb on someone and he doesn’t get vetted more? And they followed all the clues and got to that field with the van and you see it immediately turn around and drive off? Why else would it be there? I thought there were obvious clues that were generally ignored. Could have bee because of all the bureaus tripping over each other it slipped through the cracks? Wild story though, wow. Enjoyed It.
Wish they had went further into the story of the other guy from the pizza store with that weird fucking smile.
And his suicide note said he had no part in the Wells case even though nobody had ever asked him about that.
I guess I need to go back and watch it again but how did Marj and Bill think Wells would get the money to them? He put the money near the enter sign at mcdonald's and then Bill and Marj were going to just pull up and grab it. Then they went to the last place on the scavenger hunt in the blue van and just waited to see who would show up? What did they do at the shell station payphone? Thought it was confusing that they made a mention toward the end of the 2nd episode that James Rhoden was killed 3 weeks before the heist. I wish they had a 30 minute summary of all the events in sequential order at the very end with time in between listed. The story was over 14 years I think 2003-2017.
I legitimately laughed out loud. This story made me sad because both of my parents grew up in poor areas of western Pennsylvania and their current hometowns are riddled with drugs and remain extremely poor. Also, it doesn't surprise me there is correlation between this case and the Steven Avery story. Both small, poor towns and under-resourced law enforcement officials that don't have the requisite training to handle something this bizarre/complicated. Some observations: 1. You almost need to watch it backwards. It made total sense why they wanted to implicate Wells since if he was co-conspirator, they couldn't be given the death penalty. Marj fought this until the day she died. 2. I go back and forth on Wells. Hoopsick seemingly had his child after he died and was probably full of intense amount of guilt. As others noted, Wells seemed a little slow and I don't think he thought like the others, which is why they took advantage of him for the purpose of the robbery. 3. Fuck Geraldo Rivera 4. The DA announcing the charges and the Wells family heckling the DA was cringe-worthy. 5. My opinion is that Wells didn't fully understand what was going to happen and shit got very real when the cops showed up. Marj panicked and the plans went off the rails to the point both her and Rothstein had to check on the spot on the side of the highway.
Are you saying Marj detonated it from the highway? And if so, why show up to the last spot if they knew Wells was dead?
I thought it was one of the crazier stories I’ve ever heard, and I was so invested; but I think Trey kind of bungled the doc. From a storytelling perspective, it could have been better. Unrelated to the quality of the doc, but one stupid thing that irrationally bothered me was the subtitles not matching what was said during the phone calls with Marj. Sometimes they would be two or three words off.
Enjoyed it, but I do agree it got a little muddy at times. Just an insane story though. Marj was like a real life joker.
Do you think the victim was in on it? the prostitute said he was not in on it at all, but the snitch said he was at the meeting the day before, right? Then a possible witness to his car.
Yeah, I think he was at the meeting, but I don’t think they told him he’d be the gopher/patsy based on how the snitch said Wells reacted when they pulled out the collar and put it on him.
Seems that way, the lollipop and strolling along were weird as shit. Just odd he didn’t fess up when the cops got him, like “hey go find jew overalls and the town crazy lady, they know the code!”
I think your second part is an argument as to why he may not have known. They told him to say “XYZ,” which he did. Guess you could make the argument that he didn’t know exactly who to rat on. He didn’t have that information to even give.
Yeah, or maybe they convinced him it wasn’t a real bomb and to just stick to the story for his own sake. Seems most likely.