Lol if you think Trump’s response to 9/11 and Bush’s response to Covid would’ve been anywhere near similar to each others responses.
Joe Biden bringing the price of insulin down alone is among the top 5 presidential achievements of the last 30 years get fucked Ric Flair
Yeah, and Bush's wars alone killed more. I'm not even getting into his domestic policies that impoverished and killed Americans
I grew up 40 miles west of Pittsburgh on the border and Mondale still won my county in 1984, granted it’s like Trump ground zero now. My first memory of being aware of a political issue was my dad losing his mind at the evening news when Reagan fired the air traffic controllers. The union guys hated him.
They also believe Democrats are killing steel, coal and fracking jobs. Steel and coal used to support the region decades ago, and fracking is all that’s left. None of those jobs are coming back, but Trump tells them they are and they want to believe it.
I probably should have said white union voters, but that's just an anecdotal observation by me based on all guys I went to high school with that joined the electricians union and now act like they were born in the south even though they barely stepped foot on anything other than concrete for most of their formative years.
Tell me you know nothing about politics without saying you know nothing about politics. What an awful take.
I mean we wouldnt have GWB if it wasnt for Reagan since GHWB was his VP and nepotism is the only reason GWB was a legit candidate in the GOP
Bush is worse than Trump because he had an extra 4 years and competent (evil) people around him. But I can say that I honestly believe Bush's response to COVID-19 would have been better than Trump's and Trump's response to 9-11 would have been worse then Bush's (he would have nuked Afghanistan).
It's fun to speculate, but there is absolutely no way of knowing what either would have done in those situations. Perhaps Trump nukes the Saudis? Or is not convinced to invade any country, let alone Iraq that had nothing to do with anything. Bush's response would absolutely have been different because mRNA vaccines didn't exist at the time. Books like The Hot Zone and movies like Outbreak were fresh on people's minds so a societal pandemic response may have been very different.
Lotta adjusting for era but I think Trump would do worse in about every given situation with the same parameters, which is basically what you're saying
Nixon > Reagan > Bush II > Trump Bush I was really just a Reagan third term. It’s been a de-evolution of the party with each successive candidate.
I would take 5 trump terms before one reagan again. We’d probably die in the 3rd term anyways. But I’d rather deal with his dumbass than have millions of poc locked up because of simple drug charges
he is he talks a big game but he’d be too big of a pussy to start some real shit because I think dying is his biggest fear
Trump would’ve avoided invading Iraq and Afghanistan and if you think otherwise you’re a fool. The invasions were actions supported by the deep state and as we all know Trump has been battling them for years.
There are millions more people more dangerous than trump he did absolutely nothing on his own. It was all other people pulling the strings. Only thing that was all him was pandering to the maga population because he wanted to be liked
Same can be said about W. It was not his or even his dad's idea to invade Iraq. He was absolutely coerced into it
oh I absolutely agree only difference is bush wasn’t all talk like trump Reagan was worse than bush who was worse than trump
Trump is like pure concentrated bad but he's also completely incompetent so he's self limiting somewhat
if trump thought it would make him more popular he’d switch to be a dem today that’s all he really gives a fuck about
I think that’s why conservative media is t going after Trump full on in regards to Meatball. They know his ego will have him run as a third party, so they’re slowly distancing themselves to keep him placated. I don’t think him crushing Puddin really matters since he only cares about adulation and will willingly take all support back. He’s not vindictive, he just wants to be loved.
About the only good thing W ever did was not absolutely freak the fuck out in that classroom while 9/11 was happening. Then goes to NYC and says, "and the people that knocked these buildings down will soon hear from all of us." Then we went to war with every country in the ME except the one that all the hijackers came from.
I think we should define "bad" when we talk about presidents. There's like, bad as in completely incompetent and there's bad like evil. Shittiness of each president could be independently gauged for each. Also bonus points for long term cultural or systemic damage regardless of evil or incompetence.
10 points for evil, 10 points for competence in the evil, 10 points for long term cultural or systemic damage. Sort of a Most Evil but for presidents. What are we scoring the presidents since, idk, 1900?
Under that scale Biden has to easily be the least evil president of my lifetime so far. His only major black mark so far is immigration unless I'm forgetting something.
I haven't really read the bulwark so forgive me if it's shit, but came across this yesterday and thought it was good. Probably not really new to some, but I've read so little about things like this. Written by a vet who was tasked with training the Iraqi police. https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/iraq-war-invasion-20th-anniversary
Haven’t seen anyone mention/consider what Trump has done to the political discourse in this country. Yes, he was aided by the proliferation of right wing media, but he was the catalyst for the current “post-truth” paradigm we are currently living in. People now believe their opinions are facts and facts are fake news. On top of that, his rhetoric has emboldened anti-semites, racists and LGBT+ hatred, with those groups growing in number as he normalized their ethos. Let’s not forget, in just 4 years he got 3 incredibly partisan SC justices who will likely serve for the next 30+ years. Maybe it’s recency biased, but even with one term, I think Trump has done more damage, the effects of which we are only starting to realize.
My prior post was before reading this. Trump gets a 2 in terms of competence, but a 19 for long term cultural and systemic damage imo.
“Well actually I know the address of the person who broke into my house, and as retaliation I’m going to fuck up every house on the street except his, and then I’m going to murder untold number of people from same neighborhood but not lay a finger on those responsible.” -George W Bush
And actually I'm going to give them vehicles, some of my guns, and some of my food and they're going to give me some of their gas. But fuck their neighborhood!
And by fucking up their neighborhood, allow them to expand their sphere of influence up and down the block. That’ll show em.
Plenty of great Frontline documentaries to look back at those glorious times, predictions, and the chaos that we unleashed https://www.pbs.org/video/frontline-bushs-war-part-1/ https://www.pbs.org/video/frontline-bushs-war-part-2/
Trump is going to have worse long term effects on the country. He's the reason we have idiots like MGT, etc as elected officials. Not too mention what his Supreme Court picks have done and will continue to do this country.
As if Trump wouldn't lock up as many POCs as possible. Let's not forget what his reactions to BLM protests were...
The Trump SC's take on gun control alone is going to kill thousands, probably mostly kids in school shootings. Not too mention them allowing red states to declare war on women's and LGBTQ's healthcare and rights.
His SC picks are the same SC picks any Republican would have made. While incredibly bad, I don’t view them as unique to trump like I do for a lot of things bush did.