My statements have actually been quite specific and no one has proven anything I've said tonight wrong. BP on the other hand...just picture Michael Jordan grimacing.
its been pointed out to you they're building these coal plants as an off ramp of more efficient plants vs the old inefficient ones but you just keep beating the THEY KEEP BUILDING THEM drum and on primarily fossil, no shit so will the US, you can't have a temporal argument when discussing a country that is in a different part of its lifespan and comparing it to the US
It's all a big shuffle, The new coal plants have US MADE SCRUBBERS which DRASTICALLY cut down on the NOX AND SOX emissions
Currently the fossil plant costs the US ~$5 billion, Nuclear plant $6-8 billion still to be determined since we are just now building them again.
hey Drive By Dawg let me know when China hits our per capita marks then I'll continue this asinine argument
Yeah hard to believe an actual person could be this dense. Even the normal cast of skeptics in this thread are leaps and bounds better than this artard
Since their population dwarfs ours and a significant majority live in rural provinces it may take a while. But at the rate they are building coal-fired plants maybe not. I swear just when I think the libtards of TMB can't be any dumber...you guys never let me down.
I'm done with this one boys. When you are arguing with people who actually believe China is the world's leader on alternative energy and reducing carbon emissions it's like walking outside at noon when the sun is out and having someone insist it's dark outside. There ain't no fixing that level of willful ignorance. Enjoy the weekend and try to find a few more ways you can hate America. Peace.
You literally said to show you that America is reducing carbon emissions and I showed you that and more. You ignored it and kept saying how awesome the Chinese are at reducing carbon when they are in fact doing the opposite. You clearly have no concern about the facts and I have no interest in engaging someone with such an obvious agenda. Peace.
Holy shit how hard is it to get through your head that China is a really bad polluter while simultaneously trying to get their shit together? And we're sitting here saying "ah it's fine because we aren't as bad as China. Let's make no changes. I can't believe we're having to cape for god damn China because they are more forward thinking than us. Fuck the Republican Party.
Literally the ONLY political party in the developed world who does not believe in man made climate change. Fucking astounding.
I'm curious - do you guys think the Chinese government is forward-thinking in general or just as it relates to alternative and renewable energy?
They're a bunch of commies. But they don't have to play politics with shit that is clearly obvious to everyone.
Literally almost 2 million people die for pollution related illnesses a year in China. The Chinese government realizes that is bad and that their pollution is stifling potential growth in heavy urban areas, so they are making changes to their energy sector. Why not, as a country making major energy decisions, move to renewables to help your environmental air quality so the economy can grow at its full potential, create a booming manufacturing industry, save millions of lives a year and help mitigate the effects of climate change. Not to mention solar is free, wind is free, hydro is free*. These are just no brainers when you dont have big oil lining the pockets of the policymakers. *more environmentally impactful though
Well obviously I don't believe it's clearly obvious (sorry for the poor phrasing) at all but by the same token I'm not a denier. I'm a skeptic. I was really just curious what the opinion is of the Chinese in general given some of the fawning things that have been said of late in this thread. Xi seems to be moving back to Maoism and they are increasingly militaristic in their posture.
You make some good points but where I depart is on intentions. I don't think the Red Chinese give two shits about the planet and any forward-thinking energy policies they are pursuing are purely for self-interested and practical reasons and not for some grander mission or high-mindedness.
Exactly. You and the Republican Party are the only people on this earth who don't think it's "clearly obvious."
I'm attempting not to argue here but that's just not true. There are plenty of people - including plenty of experts - who doubt the extent of man-caused climate change or warming.
Who the fuck cares about intentions when it is litterly doing no harm to anyone and creating a burgeoning clean energy sector in one of the world's biggest polluters.
Why do their intentions matter? No ones caping for the Chinese here. We're jealous that they're doing more to invest in the future than we are. Hell if you want to say they're looking to the future for the betterment of their country, why in gods name should we not be doing the same?
I do. I take great exception with the idea that China is somehow more environmentally conscious than the United States. Most of the information available says exactly the opposite is true. The fact that they are now finally moving to renewable and alternative energy in what is still a fairly small way overall doesn't make that so. Good for them I suppose but the US is doing far more than the Chinese in these realms and you guys give us zero credit for any of it. The same fracking that the progressives love to decry is reducing fossil emissions considerably more than anything happening in China. And when you're still building a coal-fired plant a week it seems like a stretch to say they are really doubling down on clean energy.
Where is your evidence that we aren't? We are. Solar and wind are burgeoning here as well. We should be building more nuclear but unfortunately progressives generally hate nuclear which is too bad.
Pathetic list compared to this one about scientists who don't believe in evolution: http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?id=660
I would imagine I could find plenty more if I felt like it. There is a wider diversity of opinion on global warming than some here would care to admit. As for scientific consensus it changes on a regular basis and if history has proven anything it's not how much we know about the world we live in but how little we know.
The claim that this is settled science (as if such a thing even exists) is simply not so no matter how often you repeat it.
Your act is so tired...the point is there is far more we don't know than we do know and you and the very few others here who insist this is all settled are objectively wrong. No consensus exists.