Have you read every link I've posted? Just fuck off man - you're an imbecile. There is a big argument over whether there has been any warming over past 18 years or so. I've read plenty on the subject and it is far from cut and dry. More measurements say no than yes but now there is some question on that. Fair enough. I don't need to read some link you posted to prove anything to you. I've probably read ten times the information you have on the topic. Posting these articles and then saying "nah nah na boo boo" when we don't read them just makes you look like an ass clown. An ill-informed ass clown.
It's ironic that a few vocal people in this thread who consider themselves "open-minded" and "progressive" know exactly what is happening, exactly why it is happening and exactly what needs to be done about it but that same certainty doesn't exist in the real world - scientific or otherwise. The goal of the climate radicals has always been to paint anyone who doesn't subscribe to their orthodoxy as stupid, dangerous and worthy of scorn. Thankfully that is being challenged now by many experts and non-experts as it becomes increasingly clear that much of what has been passed off as indisputable fact is anything but. Without question the most intolerant, militant, reactionary and rigid thinkers I know are all or virtually all left-wing. College campuses everywhere are living proof of this but the intellectual (and sometimes physical) intimidation is no longer working so well. There is nothing about climate change that is settled and the real idiots are those who believe it is.
Exactly. If you don't believe in Science (??) why would you believe any information given using the Scientific method?
Who here has said they don't believe in science? That's an idiotic statement. Science is not a monolith and the problem with some of you is you lack the ability to think with any nuance at all.
You refuse to cite any scientific facts to back up anything you are stating, which means either a) You're pulling shit out of your ass based on your feelings or b) Yu cant find any scientific facts to back up your claims. Maybe you do believe in science, but it doesn't strike you as the least bit weird that people are repeatedly asking you to give context and facts to back up your thoughts, yet you cant come up with a single one? It's just weird that people are presenting mountings of articles to back up the basic principle of this thread, yet you bring nothing, yet talk down to people who bring facts like they are "off" for bringing facts to the table.
For the love of all that is holy I hope a bomb is dropped on you before you can dumb down the population with offspring.
We are looking at Germany as a hope to stop the rise of fascism, so why wouldn't we look to China as a hero of renewal energy? We had a bunch of retards elect a bigger retard as our President. Should anything make sense anymore?
Thought this was interesting: http://climatechangedispatch.com/disenchanted-climatologist-judith-curry-resigns-from-georgia-tech/
Press Releases 25 May 2016 Renewable Energy Employs 8.1 Million People Worldwide, Says New IRENA Report Renewable energy jobs continue to rise even as employment in the broader energy sector falls Abu Dhabi, U.A.E., 25 May 2016 – More than 8.1 million people worldwide are now employed by the renewable energy industry – a five percent increase from last year – according to a report released today by the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) at its 11th Council meeting. The report, Renewable Energy and Jobs – Annual Review 2016, also provides a global estimate of the number of jobs supported by large hydropower, with a conservative estimate of an additional 1.3 million direct jobs worldwide. “The continued job growth in the renewable energy sector is significant because it stands in contrast to trends across the energy sector,” said IRENA Director-General Adnan Z. Amin. “This increase is being driven by declining renewable energy technology costs and enabling policy frameworks. We expect this trend to continue as the business case for renewables strengthens and as countries move to achieve their climate targets agreed in Paris.” The total number of renewable energy jobs worldwide rose in 2015 while jobs in the broader energy sector fell, finds the report. In the United States for example, renewable energy jobs increased 6 per cent while employment in oil and gas decreased 18 per cent. Likewise in China, renewable energy employed 3.5 million people, while oil and gas employed 2.6 million. As in previous years, enabling policy frameworks remained a key driver of employment. National and state auctions in India and Brazil, tax credits in the United States and favourable policies in Asia have all contributed to employment increases. Countries with the most renewable energy jobs in 2015 included China, Brazil, the United States, India, Japan and Germany. The solar photovoltaic (PV) sector remains the largest renewable energy employer worldwide with 2.8 million jobs (up from 2.5 at last count) with jobs in manufacturing, installation and operations & maintenance. Liquid biofuels was the second largest global employer with 1.7 million jobs, followed by wind power, which grew 5 per cent to reach 1.1 million global jobs. “As the ongoing energy transition accelerates, growth in renewable energy employment will remain strong,” said Mr. Amin. “IRENA’s research estimates that doubling the share of renewable energy in the global energy mix by 2030 – enough to meet global climate and development targets – would result in more than 24 million jobs worldwide.” Select report findings: Solar PV is the largest renewable energy employer with 2.8 million jobs worldwide, an 11 per cent increase from last count. Employment grew in Japan and the United States, stabilised in China, and decreased in the European Union. Strong wind installation rates in China, the United States and Germany drove a 5 per cent increase in global employment to reach 1.1 million jobs. Wind employment in the United States alone rose by 21 per cent. Jobs in liquid biofuels, solar heating and cooling, and large and small hydropower decreased due to various factors including increased mechanisation, slowing housing markets, the removal of subsidies and the drop in new installations. With more than a third of the global renewable energy capacity additions in 2015, China led employment with 3.5 million jobs. In the European Union, the United Kingdom, Germany and Denmark were the global leaders in offshore wind employment. Overall, job figures in the EU declined for the fourth year due to weak economic growth. Jobs fell 3 per cent to 1.17 million in 2014, the last year for which data is available. Germany remains the highest European Union renewables employer– employing nearly as many as France, the United Kingdom, and Italy combined. In the United States, renewable energy employment increased 6 per cent driven by growth in wind and solar. Solar employment grew 22 per cent – 12 times faster than job creation in the United States economy – surpassing jobs in oil and gas. Employment in wind industry also grew 21 per cent. Japan experienced impressive gains in solar PV in recent years, resulting in a 28 per cent increase in employment in 2014. In India, solar and wind markets have seen substantial activity, as the ambitious renewable energy targets are translated into concrete policy frameworks. Africa has also seen many interesting developments leading to job creation, including solar and wind development in Egypt, Morocco, Kenya and South Africa. IRENA’s early research indicates that the renewable energy sector employed larger shares of women than the broader energy sector. Download Renewable Energy and Jobs – Annual Review 2016: http://bit.ly/1TrVO5o About the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) IRENA is mandated to be the global hub for renewable energy cooperation and information exchange by 147 Members (146 States and the European Union). Roughly 29 additional countries are in the accession process and actively engaged. IRENA promotes the widespread adoption and sustainable use of all forms of renewable energy, in the pursuit of sustainable development, energy access, energy security and low-carbon economic growth and prosperity. www.irena.org Contact information: Timothy Hurst, Chief Communications Officer, IRENA, [email protected] T: +971 2 417 9966; M: +971 56 677 0116
I saw a clip of Neil degrasse Tyson recently, and he was talking about religion, but his point applies to this discussion as well. He was asked about the number of scientists who do or do not believe in God, and if that proves anything about God's existence. As part of his response, he said (paraphrasing) just because a larger group of people, even scientists, believe one thing over another does not make it true. Keep in mind, at one point in our history EVERYONE thought the earth was flat. Literally everyone. One person, a single person, thought otherwise, and proved that he was right. If you were to weigh the opinions of the great minds of that day, you'd have every scientist in the world at the time on one side, and one guy on the other. And the one guy was right. That's not to say that whenever a group of scientists agree on something they are probably wrong. But it is to say that if a group of scientists agree on something, they *might* be wrong, and we need to be open to that idea and have an open mind to alternative theories and ideas and explanations and never, ever think we know with 100% certainty what is happening. history has taught us how dangerously wrong that can be.
OK - what are the consequences of believing science communities consensus and reducing emissions / developing green energy if global warming is fake? Consequences of going full steam ahead with fossil fuels, increasing emissions and production if global warming is true?
Let's put this whole discussion into a different context: Dear people who don't believe in climate change. If the United States were to make a very big push on renewable resources and become the leader in this industry, we could do our best to corner this new and emerging market, and use that to propel our economy into the future. Alternatively, we can do this other thing we've been doing for a long time that is slowly but surely dying as an industry, and we can do all that is necessary to convince the American public it's not dying even if it is.
we have a user on tmb who thinks that there are extensive scientific studies being conducted on whether an all-powerful ethereal being named god exists
I googled Pascal's Wager Global Warming and found a few opinions for you: Spoiler (this one explains a lot)
More governmental control over business, higher taxes, higher prices. Let the market decide, if people feel strongly about global warming they can spend their money on green companies/energy but no one or company should be forced either way.
The govt forcing business will in turn lead to more innovation and lower costs in the long run. We need to get ahead of this carbon emissions now before it's too late.
you realize we have been "letting the market decide" for decades/centuries and that is why we are currently facing the problem? Also, people do want green technology. Look at any poll of Americans. But they need the government to help institute that change. People are not going to put solar technology on their roofs just cause they feel it is the right thing to do. They need the government to subsidize the industry like the gov't does with Biofuels, fossil fuels, agriculture, etc..
We haven't let the market decide in over a hundred years, we started leaving the free market in TR's presidency and have never went back. If people want green energy they'll get it and should have to pay the full price, taking money from civilians to pay other peoples power bill is a ridiculous notion especially when force is used to take the money.