Global Warming Debunked Again

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  1. tmbrules

    tmbrules Make America Great Again!
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    It’s not about the cheap gas. It’s about the artificially high prices ( set to go higher) in France.

    The yellow vest protesters realize they are getting fleeced by the elite climate change agenda.
  2. tmbrules

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  4. Fran Tarkenton

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  5. bro

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    isn't that interview a year old?
  6. BP

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    Report: Climate change could flush your savings
    By Nathanael Johnson on Dec 10, 2018
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    Businesses say risks to their bottom line from climate climate add up to tens of billions of dollars. That may seem like a lot, but their actual risks to business are at least 100 times higher, according to a study just published in Nature Climate Change. Trillions, instead of billions.

    The mismatch between those numbers could liquify the money you’ve been saving for retirement. Company climate plans “give little inkling that up to 30 percent of manageable assets globally may be at risk,” researchers wrote.

    Climate change could soon be “the defining issue for financial stability” according to Mark Carney, governor of the Bank of England and former head of the Financial Stability Board, the international body established to make recommendations to prevent financial collapse. To take that out of econo-speak: Failure to fully comprehend climate risks — droughts, floods, heat waves — could lead to an economic crisis that makes the Great Recession look like a joyride.

    The researchers had access to a treasure trove of data, environmental disclosures from 1,630 companies worth more than more than two-thirds of the world’s stock markets added together. It’s the biggest and most comprehensive study of this kind ever done. Some 83 percent of businesses said that they faced real risks from climate change, but only 21 percent had quantified those risks.

    It’s fascinating to see how the one in five companies that have crunched the numbers anticipate climate change will affect their business. For example, Samsung estimated that if a cyclone shut down one of their semiconductor factories for a single day it would cost $110 million. And when monsoon floods stopped Hewlett-Packard’s hard drive manufacturing in Thailand, back in 2011, it cost the company $4 billion.

    “It was just endlessly surprising, as I did the data analysis, to see all the ways that companies were being affected, and how they were adapting,” said Allie Goldstein a scientist at Conservation International and lead author on the paper.

    Airlines are preparing plans to carry fewer passengers and cargo on extreme heat days, because warmer air temperature generate less lift for their planes. Rubber companies, concerned about droughts killing rubber trees, are investing in synthetic alternatives. The Colombian utility Celsia SA is planting thousands of trees upstream from its hydroelectric dams to improve the watershed and hedge against declining rainfall. The Japanese conglomerate Hitachi is installing anti-flood bulkheads in its factories.

    “There’s a real thought and creativity going into this, and coming up with an amazing diversity of solutions,” said Will Turner, an executive at Conservation International who also worked on the study. “That’s the positive. The negative is that it’s all incremental progress — it represents just a nascent understanding of the risks.”

    You might give less credence to a study like this, because it suggests a need for more action on climate change and comes from an environmental organization that pushes for more action on climate change. But the estimates of investor risk come from the Economist Intelligence Unit, academic research, and the World Economic Forum, not Conservation International. In this paper, the researchers simply tallied up all the adaptations companies are making.

    “I always encourage people to be smart consumers of science and look at the methods and also who is doing it,” Goldstein said. “They will find that these findings are based on real data, and real results, not preconceived notions.”

    It’s easy to think that average people have little influence over major companies But we have to think differently, if we want to prevent a financial meltdown as climate disasters begin to pile up, Goldstein said. “There’s a tendency to think that this is someone else’s problem, but if you are an employee, or a customer, or an investor, I’d encourage people to think of this as something they can influence themselves, by making a call or asking a question.”
  7. BP

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  8. Prospector

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    from a lib site, but science/weather shit. Feb. is going to suck
    Thirty Mile High Wave Encircling Earth to Break over North Pole on Christmas Day

    An extraordinary atmospheric planetary wave (number 1), over thirty miles high, covering earth's entire northern hemisphere, will break over the north pole on Christmas day. This wave, which will transfer tremendous amounts of heat to the upper stratosphere, is likely to split the polar vortex in two. This will likely drive cold air out of the Arctic towards the central and eastern U.S. in January and February.
    The winter night that starts over the north pole in September causes a deep vortex to form around the north pole in early fall. By the 18th of December this year, the planet circling “storm in the stratosphere” was extraordinarily cold -115 ºF (-82 C) and winds today are as high as 220 mph (355 km/h) in the upper stratosphere where the atmospheric pressure is 1% of surface pressure (10mb). This monster storm that develops every fall above the weather layer has become more intense in the fall months with human caused global warming and ozone loss. This year has been no exception. However, as the polar vortex has become more intense in the fall it has also become more unstable in the winter months.

    When the spin of the jet stream in the lower atmosphere (the troposphere) aligns with the spin in the polar vortex in the layer above, the stratosphere, as it does in the long polar winter, large amounts of wave energy may be transferred upwards. The most powerful wave is typically wave number 1 which encircles the northern hemisphere diving south over the Pacific ocean and pushing polewards over the Atlantic. When this wave intensifies, it not only drives heat towards the pole on the Atlantic side, it also drives wave energy upwards from the troposphere to the upper stratosphere. This upwards wave breaks at the boundary of the stratosphere with layer above it, the mesosphere. These upwards breaking waves generate large amounts of heat and put a brake on the winds at the top of the stratosphere.

    The dome of heated air that is formed spins clockwise, like a surface high pressure area, and disrupts the westerly flow of the storm-like vortex below it. The slowing and heating of the polar vortex in the upper stratosphere works its way to lower levels by this process of vortex disruption. In strong stratospheric warming events the vortex disruption may work its way down to affect polar surface weather over the winter months. Strong events usually happen in January and February. The period around Christmas is very early for a major stratospheric warming, but both the American and European models now predict it will happen. The models indicate that there’s a good chance that the polar vortex will be split in two by the intense warming.

    When the polar vortex disruption reaches the lower atmosphere it tends to increase the surface pressure over the north pole and Arctic ocean. In particular, the Beaufort high, that is located north of Alaska over the Beaufort sea, intensifies and the flow of cold air out of the Arctic east of the Rocky mountains intensifies. The flow of cold air towards western Europe may also intensify like it did late last winter when “the beast from the east” brought bitterly cold Siberian air to western Europe. This year, the American CFS model forecasts that the eastern U.S. will be colder than normal, but not western Europe. It forecasts that a cold flow out of the north polar region will bring brutal cold to northern Siberia and Scandinavia in mid-January, but not western Europe. Time will tell. The model cannot be depended on to predict details accurately. What’s clear is that the eastern half of the U.S. is likely to be significantly colder than normal in mid-January. This forecast for mid January is consistent with what happened after major stratospheric warmings in El Niño years like this one.

    The eastern U.S. is likely to be cold in mid-january while Alaska and western Canada is likely to be warm. There’s a good chance of wet weather in California this January because storms will likely move in below the blocking high pressure are that is likely to form over Alaska and the Yukon.
    Climate change may be amplifying the impacts of El Niño events and major stratospheric warmings. Large areas of the Barents sea, which used to be covered by ice and a fresh water layer, is now an extension of the north Atlantic. This region can now transfer huge amounts of heat from the ocean to the atmosphere amplifying planetary wave number 1 near the pole. Likewise, the increase in ocean heat in the north Pacific, particularly in El Niño years, increases the amplitude of wave 1. This may be destabilizing the polar vortex in mid-winter leading to more extreme weather and increased variability in winter weather.

    Ocean heat in the subarctic seas, in areas formerly covered by sea ice, is adding energy to polar vortex disruptions.
    There is a large area of open water on the Atlantic side of the Arctic where sea ice normally used to be found. The heat from open water in this region adds to the disruption of the polar vortex.
    The good news in this combination of a sudden stratospheric warming and El Niño is that California is likely to have a wet January as the storm track gets pushed south by likely blocking high pressure areas over Alaska. This weather pattern could extend into February, but the model becomes less accurate over time. The impact of major stratospheric warmings can continue for several months while vortex disruptions work down “like dripping paint” from the stratosphere into the weather. The cold weather in the eastern U.S. and warm weather in Alaska will probably continue into February. California is likely to have a wetter than normal period from January through March.

    California is likely to have a wet January.
    The CFS model prediction of wet weather for California is consistent with similar situations but the prediction of a dry east coast is not consistent with the historic record. Historically, heavy snow events have happened on the east coast following sudden stratospheric warmings. Cold air may dam up over eastern Canada and storms may track up the east coast delivering large amounts of snow to the mid Atlantic and northeast if this winter follows historic patterns. Time will tell.

    California is likely to have a wetter than normal period from January through March.
    Watch out Santa. Climate change is warming the north pole and sending its cold air to us.

    Update 20Dec18 9amEST

    Both the European and American models are forecasting the stratospheric polar vortex will split. The most recent analysis map for the upper stratosphere at 10mb shows that the stratospheric warming has begun over northern China and Mongolia. The European model predicts that this warming will split the vortex in two over a period of ten days.

    The European (ECMWF) model forecasts the splitting of the stratospheric polar vortex in two in ten days on 29Dec18. This disruption will likely slowly work its way down in the atmosphere to impact weather in north America by mid January. The eastern half of the U.S. is likely to have a cold winter.
  9. Prospector

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    summer should be fun

    One-third of Australia's flying fox bat population wiped out in just 2 days.
    Australia has been sweltering in a second severe heatwave this month. Temperatures have reached 21.6 F degrees higher than average as a heat wave spread across the continent. The unbearable heat will be plaguing Australia for at least several more days warns the Australian Bureau of Meteorology.

    Records fell throughout Australia as the country experienced the hottest ten days in a row on record. One town, Noona, had the warmest overnight temperature in Australian history. Agriculture and livestock are suffering from the heat where stone fruit is burning from the inside out and drought widespread. Roads are melting too.

    Australia is in the midst of a scorching heat wave this week that has set all-time temperature records in what has been four of its most sweltering days in history.

    The Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) in Australia said Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday ranked among the top 10 hottest days on record for the country as whole.

    "Avoid physical activity, stay well hydrated - it's vital at this time," said Richard Broome, director of environmental health for the New South Wales state government.
    He also urged people to stay indoors during the heat of the day.
    Humans can stay indoors in the air conditioning, but not wildlife and livestock. They are experiencing a rising death toll from increasing heatwaves due to climate change. Their bodies just can’t cool off.

    In one state, officials are pumping oxygen into rivers and lakes as fish kills explode in number.

    Mother Board reports on the rising toll to bats from climate change driven heat waves.

    Almost one third of a bat population in eastern Australia was killed over the course of just two days of November of 2018, when a heat wave in eastern Australia devastated the Queensland region and temperatures were as high as 108 degrees Fahrenheit. Climate change makes heat waves like this one disproportionately more likely.

    An estimated 23,000 to 30,000 spectacled flying fox bats perished during the heat wave, which lasted from November 26 to 27, according to the BBC. Some media reports alleged that once the temperatures exceeded 104 degrees Fahrenheit, bats literally started falling out of trees. David White, a wildlife rescuer from Australia, told the BBC that the event was "totally depressing.”

    Justin Welbergen from Australia’s Hawkesbury Institute for the Environment told Australian outlet that the event was likely the second-largest mass die-off for the species, which have been listed as “vulnerable” in the country since 1999. In 2014, as many as 100,000 spectacled flying fox bats died, also during a heat wave.

    The late-November Australian heat wave also caused more than 80 intense brush fires, and coincided with a series of dust storms that swept across the Queensland region. It’s worth noting that desertification—the process of places becoming more dusty, dry, and desert-like over time—is exacerbated by climate change.

    Climate change makes monster heat waves like this one disproportionately more likely. When the air gets hotter, it’s able to hold more water, and humid air makes heat waves more likely. Australia specifically, which is already prone to heat waves, is vulnerable to "more frequent, hotter, and longer" heat waves.

    The BBC reports that these heat waves are certainly causing die-offs for other wildlife. The flying fox deaths are easy to document as they reside in urban areas and their deaths noticed.

    Koala trying to cool off during the recent heatwave.

    Flying foxes are no more sensitive to extreme heat than some other species, experts say.

    But because they often gather in urban areas in large numbers, their deaths can be more conspicuous, and easily documented.

    "It raises concerns as to the fate of other creatures who have more secretive, secluded lifestyles," Dr Welbergen says.

    He sees the bats as the "the canary in the coal mine for climate change".

    "It is clear from the present data that these [heat] events are having a very serious impact on the species," Dr Welbergen says. "And it's clear from climate change projections that this is set to escalate in the future."

    Experts have long been concerned about the survival of spectacled flying foxes.

    Its population has more than halved in the past decade, says Dr David Westcott, who chairs the government's National Flying Fox Monitoring Programme.

    In the past, mass deaths in the population were often associated with cyclones. But in recent years heatwaves have become a bigger risk, Dr Westcott says.

    "We're very concerned. It's been a massive population decline for a species that isn't under a great deal of pressure outside of these weather events," he tells the BBC.

    Australian Climate Scientists are migrating and they explain why in this video.

    If you want official numbers on how 2018 ranks in the annals of recent record-breaking temperatures, you’ll have to wait.

    One result of the government shutdown, now in its fourth week, is that NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration are unable to issue their annual temperature analysis. And, because that data is so widely used, neither can some other governments.

    For example, Britain’s national weather and climate monitoring service, the Met Office, publishes its own global temperature estimates that incorporate NOAA data but use a slightly different analytical method. That’s important because when many different analyses show the same trend — in this case, rising global temperatures — it helps give researchers confidence that their work is sound. But, the NOAA data that the Met Office needs is currently offline.
  10. Imurhuckleberry

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    The global warming hoaxers going next level and sourcing their "evidence" from a place that doesn't even exist.
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  11. Prospector

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    Corporate America Is Getting Ready to Monetize Climate Change
    Christopher Flavelle
    January 22, 2019, 3:00 AM CST
    • Storms, floods, drought and heat waves worry largest companies
    • Merck, Apple, Home Depot also see new revenue opportunities

    Bank of America Corp. worries flooded homeowners will default on their mortgages. The Walt Disney Co. is concerned its theme parks will get too hot for vacationers, while AT&T Inc. fears hurricanes and wildfires may knock out its cell towers.

    The Coca-Cola Co. wonders if there will still be enough water to make Coke.

    As the Trump administration rolls back rules meant to curb global warming, new disclosures show that the country’s largest companies are already bracing for its effects. The documents reveal how widely climate change is expected to cascade through the economy -- disrupting supply chains, disabling operations and driving away customers, but also offering new ways to make money.

    The disclosures were collected by CDP, a U.K.-based nonprofit that asks companies to report their environmental impact, including the risks and opportunities they believe climate change presents for their businesses. More than 7,000 companies worldwide filed reports for 2018, including more than 1,800 from the U.S.

    On Tuesday, CDP, formerly known as the Carbon Disclosure Project, released letter grades for those companies that measure “how aware they are about the issue, how they’re managing it, how they’re progressing toward targets,”said Caroline Barraclough, a CDP spokeswoman. Thirty U.S.-based companies got an “A” grade, the most of any country; they include Apple Inc., Johnson & Johnson and Home Depot Inc. Next on the list were Japan, with 25 top-scoring companies, and France with 22.

    Latest: Pentagon Warns of Risk to Bases, Troops From Climate Change

    The information companies provide to CDP about their climate risk is typically far more specific than what they include in their filings to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. And while the SEC requires companies to disclose material risks, it doesn’t ask them to address the specific threats associated with climate change.

    Most of the largest U.S. companies by market capitalization submitted information to CDP, and the vast majority say the threat is real and serious: Of the 25 companies whose submissions were reviewed by Bloomberg, 21 said they had identified “inherent climate-related risks with the potential to have a substantial financial or strategic impact” on their business.

    Many of those risks related to the effects of climate change on companies’ ability to operate. One of the most commonly cited risks was not enough water.

    Read more: Climate and Cyber Risks Top Concerns in 2019

    “Many of Intel’s operations are located in semi-arid regions and water-stressed areas, such as Israel, China and the southwestern United States,” warned Intel Corp. If climate change causes longer droughts in those areas, it could “potentially lead to increased operational costs since the semiconductor manufacturing process relies on access to water.”

    Water shortages could also threaten Coke’s business, the company said, because climate change “could limit water availability for the Coca-Cola system’s bottling operations.”

    More frequent hurricanes and wildfires could force AT&T to spend more money on repairing damage to its network, as well as “proactively relocating equipment or additional network hardening.” The company noted that disasters cost it $627 million in 2017.

    Rising temperatures are already affecting “the comfort and health and well being of customers” in its theme parks, Disney wrote. “If measures are not taken to ensure low cost alternatives for cooling and managing extreme temperatures, this will not only negatively impact our customers experience, it will also impact our ability to attract and retain visitor numbers.”

    Even Coffee Is Endangered: Climate Changed Newsletter

    Other companies said climate change may affect their customers. Bank of America reported that 4 percent of its U.S. real estate-secured loans are in flood zones, almost all of them residential.

    “Increased flood incidence and severity could lead to our clients defaulting on their mortgage payments if, for example, flood insurance premiums become unaffordable,” the company wrote. “Clients may also find themselves in a negative equity situation due to housing values being impacted when insurance costs rise.”

    Visa Inc. warns that global warming could increase global pandemics and armed conflict -- problems that would in turn cause fewer people to travel.

    “Any such decline in cross-border activity could impact the number of cross-border transactions we process and our foreign currency exchange activities, and in turn reduce our revenues,’’ Visa wrote.

    Climate Change Could Be Cash Cow for Some Industries: BI

    Intel, Visa and Google didn’t respond to requests for comment. Bank of America and AT&T declined to comment beyond what’s in those companies’ reports.

    A spokesman for Coca-Cola, Max Davis, said in a statement that the company’s goal is to reduce the carbon footprint of its beverages by one-quarter between 2010 and 2020. He didn’t respond to a question about the severity of the threat that more intense droughts pose to Coca-Cola’s business.

    Climate change isn’t all downside for the largest U.S. companies. Many of those that filed reports with CDP said they believe climate change can bolster demand for their products.

    For one thing, more people will get sick. “As the climate changes, there will be expanded markets for products for tropical and weather related diseases including waterborne illness,” wrote Merck & Co. The company didn’t respond to a request for comment.

    More disasters will make iPhones even more vital to people’s lives, Apple predicted.

    ‘Flashlight, Siren’
    “As people begin to experience severe weather events with greater frequency, we expect an increasing need for confidence and preparedness in the arena of personal safety and the well-being of loved ones,’’ the company wrote. Its mobile devices “can serve as a flashlight or a siren; they can provide first aid instructions; they can act as a radio; and they can be charged for many days via car batteries or even hand cranks.’’

    Apple didn’t respond to a request for comment.

    Living with climate change is also going to cost money, which some banks see as an opening. “Preparation for and response to climate-change induced natural disasters result in greater construction, conservation and other business activities,” Wells Fargo and Co wrote, adding that it “has the opportunity to provide financing to support these efforts.”

    More disasters will mean increased sales for Home Depot, the company wrote. And as temperatures get higher, people are going to need more air conditioners. Home Depot predicted that its ceiling fans and other appliances will see “higher demand should temperatures increase over time.”

    A spokeswoman for Home Depot, Christina Cornell, declined to comment beyond what was in the company’s report.

    Alphabet Inc.’s Google says it expects costs and benefits from climate change. “Fluctuating socio-economic conditions due to climate change” could reduce demand for online advertising, the company reported. Yet more people might use Google Earth.

    “If customers value Google Earth Engine as a tool to examine the physical changes to the Earth’s natural resources and climate, this could result in increased customer loyalty or brand value,” Google wrote. “This opportunity driver could have a positive impact on our brands.”
  12. SenatorClayDavis


    Congrats, everyone. Another banner year.
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  13. IV

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    Not, great
  14. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    My solution, every single right wing inbred moron that comments on that tweet should be sterilized. Some of them have probably already had kids, but I think we'd start making an impact.
  15. stexraider

    stexraider Fire Everybody

    Man this is my take... we can certainly make improvements but even if we are super kick ass we can’t stem the tide caused by the “other” and “China” category.... if they don’t help then we can spend a shit ton of money fruitlessly
  16. Bill the Butcher

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  17. bro

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    That’s what international agreements (which we pulled out of) and diplomacy are for, friend.
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  18. stexraider

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    those agreements had us footing most of the bill for the "other" and "China" category with little or no accountability on their part... see: graphic
  19. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    China is building out an insane amount of high speed rail right now for better transportation needs, for all their faults their government actually believes scientific research and what global warming will do to this planet in a few decades.
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  20. Lyrtch

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    i've always thought it weird that conservatives largely adopted climate scientist criticisms of the Paris Agreement (no strict enforcement mechanism)

    but instead of the climate scientist proposed more aggressive options (carbon tax, hard caps, etc) conservatives just shrug and torch the planet
  21. stexraider

    stexraider Fire Everybody

    I mean it is pretty amazing what you can do in a short amount of time when you don’t have to deal with private property rights

    Texas has been working hard at several rail projects but it takes years to make that kind of thing happen
  22. BP

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  23. bro

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  24. bro

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  25. Bruce Wayne

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    Checkmate libs

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  27. OZ

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    Nebraska is in the middle of a winter with as much snow as they have ever received (2nd most since 1950 I believe, parts of the state with 70-80+ inches) and just experienced a storm with 100+ mph gusts of wind, lots of rain or snow, a barometric pressure the equivalent of a category 2 hurricane.

    Many of these same people don’t believe in climate change. This kind of extreme weather has become the norm around the country and around the globe. It’s a direct result of the climate and you are a fucking dipshit if you don’t believe that.