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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Jigga, Apr 8, 2015.
Tiger and Happy’s caddy both back this week!?!?
Watching his press conference and newsflash... Tiger thinks he can still win again.
That doesn’t sound like Tiger.
Don't know if this is melodramatic but seems like might be time to buckle up
From Porath in the NL newsletter:
It’s rare for Tiger Woods to make a big comeback and have the subject of his current health and competitive future relegated to a sidebar story. But with the future of men’s professional golf hanging in the balance ahead of a fast-approaching (albeit self-imposed) deadline to finalize the “Framework Agreement” announced by the PGA Tour and the Saudi PIF back in June, Tiger’s ankle took a backseat at his Hero World Challenge press conference. Given Tiger’s recently undertaken role as a board member and the fact we haven’t heard from him in a setting like this since the Masters, much less since the Framework Agreement was revealed, Tiger’s takes on the pressing little matter of “the PGA Tour’s entire future” were always going to be studied and picked apart.
Tiger’s appearances at the Hero, basically his holiday party, have often served as a harbinger for the year ahead. Whether it’s a competitive showing, displaying impressive swing speed, a sudden case of chip yips, a comeback false start, or a dire “there’s no light at the end of the tunnel” quote, the Hero has always been more than anything else an illustrative late-year check-in on the most analyzed golfer of all time. Tuesday’s press conference saw those usual updates on his playing future, yes, but this year they dueled with plenty of talk about the future of competitive golf itself.
Tiger in these settings seems to prefer answering questions in a way that leaves plenty of reading material between the lines. He offered a lot of words on the current state of the PGA Tour, but Woods was vague on the status of investment negotiations pressing up against that December 31st deadline, calling the situation “murky.” He was clearly pissed at the lack of player consultation or input throughout the process that led to the June 6th “merger” announcement. He reiterated how unacceptable it was, and said it could never happen again. He called Rory McIlroy the “spokesman” for the Tour over the past couple years, a comment with a blast radius stretching all the way to anyone at the PGA Tour who collects a salary for a role with duties Rory has been covering. He expressed “frustration” with the pace of the ongoing negotiations and “governance change” the players want to have happen. And when directly asked to assess Jay Monahan’s performance since the June 6th merger announcement, he offered only a tepid “Jay has been a part of the direction.”
Watching all of these little moments and quotes on Tuesday, Tiger came across as uncertain about where the ongoing negotiations will end up, and he certainly came off as frustrated with the current state of tour leadership. Again, he was careful to not get pinned down on any of this. From everything that’s actually on the record he may be perfectly pleased and ready to give a ringing endorsement of Jay Monahan in the near future. But Tiger had the chance to do those things on Tuesday and he very much did not.
Take what Tiger left us with, stir in some Jordan Spieth word salad about “non-negotiables” perhaps obstructing a potential PIF deal, and add the recent resignation of Rory McIlroy from this board, and, well, one wonders where things are at and where they’re going. There’s just one month left before this deadline. Are we gridlocked? What’s the level of trust between the players and tour bureaucracy? And what’s the level of trust among the players themselves?
Glimpses at the Tour’s hidden power struggle was the main takeaway from Tiger’s presser. Now comes the fun part: watching him play again for the next four days. Like the investment negotiations, he described the state of his game as TBD thanks to a lack of reps. He described himself as being “just as curious as all of you are to see what happens” about how his body might hold up for another attempt at a competitive return. At this point, honestly, any reps and appearances in 2024 should be considered welcome “gravy”, the term Tiger first used to describe these circumstances back in 2015 at, you guessed it, the Hero.
“governance change” the players want to have happen.
Tiger in the middle of the fairway off the tee. He's back folks.
JT immediately has to take a drop off the tee, same as it ever was.
How are y'all watching this?
It was on The Cock
JT played well after the rough start.
Yes he did. Nice back 9
I thought Tiger looked decent until he ran out of gas. The decision on 15 was wild. Seemed like he kind of revealed his mindset that none of this really matters and he's just trying to get reps. It will be interesting to see how he plays on the weekend and if the body holds up.
Golf gods gonna punish them if his buddy doesn't polish off the 12 pack imo. That's not ideal and it'll leave him with a nice hangover but it's doable.
Guys Blockie is on television rn live
Fuck the framework agreement, let Blockie call the shots
Bad back and a balky putter... built for the TGL.
So Rahm is going to LIV?
Gross. Can't blame any of the players for going now, tho, since the PGA struck a deal with them.
The tour had such a great opportunity and turned it into a circus (literally with a tent and all).
Tiger with birdie birdie start
Needs to be done but the bitching it going to be incredible
7 years? I’ll be playing closer tees by then anyway
Just gonna buy up a billion ProVIs between now and then no big deal
Bifurcation would have been much better than rolling back all of our balls.
Got fitted for new irons and picked up 12-15 yards per club (at the same lofts). I guess I’ll be back to my old yardages soon enough
lets hear the specs
we are the same
love my new srixons
Callaway Apex 5 thru PW
Nippon Modus 3 Tour 105 Stiff
2 degrees weak on lofts
2.5 degrees flat on lie
I hit them considerably higher with better descent angle than my previous set, but with considerably lower spin which is where the yardage is mostly coming from
Also got Callaway Paradigm 3 and 5 woods with Ventus Blue Stiff and TaylorMade Stealth 2 hybrid with Tensei 1K stiff
Will the manufacturers continue to make "non-conforming" golf balls for people who don't care about the rules?
I have balls
Non-conforming equipment rarely sells well, so I imagine they might for a couple of years but not long term. It won’t make much manufacturing or financial sense for them to make conforming and non-conforming models.
this might be a different one though. I can see people not caring about this
Fine. Then roll fucking everything back, you goddamn cowards. No metal woods. No cavity backs. No motor powered mowers. Require tweed jackets
Definitely, save a sleve of proVIs don't unbox. 40 years from now, they'll be worth 1000 bucks.
This is stupid
Is that before or after adjusting for inflation?
I understand the thought process of messing with the balls, but is the ball really the issue or is it the clubs? I feel like the clubs are the bigger difference today than the balls. That technology has skyrocketed in the last 10 years or so. I always felt that was the easier fix but it was probably more costly to the manufacturers?
Titleist can suck a dick
Clubs are the obvious issue, but balls are way less nuanced and easier to control/change. Not to mention, easier and cheaper for golfers to replace. Logistically, changing the ball always was going to be the simpler option.
It’s quite ironic that for how much the Tour and players harp on growing the game, them being dense in regards to equipment is actually going to potentially shrink the game. Equipment is already extremely bifurcated, so using a different ball would be very logical. Granted, I don’t think the ball change should shrink the game as the average player won’t notice a thing.
Why do you think equipment is bifurcated?
Tour issue equipment is pretty different than what the average golfer has available to them. Granted, a lot of it is specs which frankly the average golfer couldn’t use anyway. But getting all the driver and wood heads that have clubfaces pushing the rebound limits more so than stuff any of us can buy is certainly different. It’s not the difference in them being as good as they are and us being where we are, but it is somewhat different.