Help me pick a new car/vehicle

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  1. jokewood

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    Tell the dealer that my commission, deliverable to jokewood at the internet dot com, is 25% of net profit on the car. Also, insist on the factory installed TruCoat. If you don't get that, you get oxidation problems.
     
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  2. racer

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    My MIL just bought a 19 outback at full price instead of waiting for the 20 to drop.
     
  3. Bricktop the white

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    Subaru doesn't really move a whole lot on price anyway.
     
  4. racer

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    That’s what I’m saying. Why pay the same money for last year’s tech?
     
  5. Carl Brutananadilewski

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    Haven't read through the full thread but the CX-9 is really nice for the money (having been a passenger in a friends).

    We have a Grand Cherokee and an XC90, both are good but very different cars. I'd take a look at the XC60 if you are looking at a mid size SUV given my experience with the XC90.
     
  6. George Costanza

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    I’ll provide some free dealership tips so you’re fully prepared

     
  7. danny2430

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    How many miles you got on the grand cherokee? Any typical american-made car type durability issues?

    Heavily considering for my next car
     
  8. Carl Brutananadilewski

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    We have a little over 30k I believe. Had one weird issue with the transmission, but I can't recall exactly what it was and it was fixed under warranty and has been good since. I'll see if the wife remembers. We also bought the extended warranty since we were planning to keep for a while and knew about the reputation of fiat Chrysler but no other major issues so far.

    Fit and finish was not to the highest standard ie cosmetically some things don't perfectly align.

    It's been a pretty good car, but for the money not sure if we would have picked it again; for 45k-ish there are a lot of options, not sure your price range and what other cars you are looking at. I know the wife is looking to switch to something like an audi or bmw next time around.
     
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  9. bturns

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    Well I hope your wife is ready for even more issues than what she is having with the current car... good luck.
     
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  10. Ray McKigney

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    My wife is totally fixated on a Volvo XC90 or Grand Cherokee. Can’t get her to even consider a 4Runner. We only have 1 kid, so we don’t “need” anything super large. I am concerned about trunk space in the Grand Cherokee. I hate this process.
     
  11. dblplay1212

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    We have a GC and 1 kid. It has more than enough room for us. We are trading it in soon and getting another GC to replace it. Love it.
     
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  12. DUCKMOUTH

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    We have a Sequoia with 40k miles on it. Plan is to pay it off next year, trade in my car, wife get a new a sequoia and we both drive them until the falls off.
     
  13. Bricktop the white

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    Why do you need two enormous SUVs
     
  14. DUCKMOUTH

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    Because I have a ton of kids and they are reliable and I like them
     
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  15. Robert Randolph

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    The CPO XC90s come with 5 years/unlimited mileage warranty. I saw little downside to the Volvo. My wife loves hers, and its safe as hell.
     
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  16. Bo Pelinis

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    So you keep railing on SUVs and it's silly to do so with people with children. One, they fit all the kids and the shit. Two, when something happens like 3 weeks ago where my family was almost rear ended by a semi going 40 mph through a red light you actually have a fighter's chance of living.
     
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  17. Bricktop the white

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  18. Bricktop the white

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    Minivans are more practical, safer, offer better fuel economy and are less dangerous for everyone else.

    SUVs are the semi truck that kills someone else's family in 90% of crashes.
     
  19. DUCKMOUTH

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  20. Bo Pelinis

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  21. Bo Pelinis

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    Or would it be a lot more intellectually honest to compare a Pacifica with an actual SUV that is far heavier and more dangerous for other citizens (but safer for your own family in the event of collision)?
     
  22. Baron

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    I said this over and over before and so did my wife, but after having one that my wife drives, we both love it just for the pure ease of getting kids (especially little ones) in and out and the room. We have a Toyota Sienna SE, so it does look a bit more sporty than most vans, but they all seem to be going that route now. You do you though.
     
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  23. Bricktop the white

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    Minivans are far safer than SUVs both in crash test performance and roll-over saftey. There's also a well documented psychological phenomenon wherein SUV drivers who feel invincible abandon safe driving habits, again endangering everyone else.

    SUVs are selfish, impractical and dangerous. At least duckmouth is honest about it.
     
  24. Bo Pelinis

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    You're comparing a minivan and a minivan in SUV clothing.
     
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  25. Bricktop the white

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    Changing the comparison to a full size truck frame SUV is only going to amplify the advantages of the pacifica, particularly in price. A fully loaded top of the line minivan is 48k. How much is a base model Tahoe?
     
  26. Barves2125

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    Seems like someone came into this thread to tell people not to buy SUVs. How annoying.
     
  27. Bo Pelinis

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    I'm not talking about price. I'm talking about safety. If you want to compare apples to apples you'll compare midsized SUVs (which are rarely on truck frames anymore) to minivans. A traverse is on a front wheel/AWD frame and weighs the same as a Chrysler Pacifica. Crossovers are essentially minivans with different styling. Shit, an Explorer shares a chasis with the Taurus.
     
  28. Ray McKigney

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    So you can fit let’s say a weeks worth of packing/luggage for a beach vacation in the GC no problem?
     
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  29. dblplay1212

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    Yea no problem at all. That's like 3 suitcases and maybe a cooler. Plenty of room. We did just that about 6 months ago and we had a massive stroller and playpen too. Had to lay down a seat but there was plenty of room.
     
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  30. Bricktop the white

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    I agree, they're mostly bad minivans for people who can't admit that they need one.

    That being said, those crossovers are also much safer and better than full size SUVs also. Not a single body on frame SUV or pick-up truck (besides the Honda Ridgeline and a few f150 models 2015-2017) has made the iihs top safety pick list in years.
     
  31. Bo Pelinis

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    As to your first sentence, why do you care? People prefer different things.

    As to your second, look at the impact results (not the headlights). They're still very good.

    https://www.iihs.org/ratings/class-summary/large-pickups

    Now look at the impact results for minivans.

    https://www.iihs.org/ratings/class-summary/minivans

    Admittedly, the Suburban isn't as safe as I thought (only 4 star) in impact ratings but the Expedition is a 5 star safety rating. I'm no IIHS expert but it's weird to me that the Ridgeline got a top safety pick while being the only large truck in the top 5 to have anything less than a good impact rating. I guess headlights and LATCH ease of use a really important to people?
     
  32. Bo Pelinis

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    I did notice that the Explorer has pretty poor impact ratings for anyone interested in buying one, just FYI idgaf what you buy.
     
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  33. Goose

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    Lol at willingly driving a minivan over an SUV
     
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  34. bturns

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    LOL at the Volvo people.

    There is a reliability spectrum for cars that dealerships go by. 1 being best and 12 being worst.

    1 - 2 is your honda, subaru, toyota.

    every year, Volvo and Mercedes always fall on the 11-12 area. better get those extended warrantys!
     
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  35. Bricktop the white

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    The people who are buying 50k+ volvo SUVs aren't particularly worried about maintenance costs or keeping cars much beyond the factory warranty anyway.
     
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  36. bturns

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    good point... but i'd be pissed if i spent 80k+ on a vehicle and its in the shop all the time...
     
  37. MoJo

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    I hate the way large SUVs drive, not to mention crappy gas mileage, so we've never owned one. Also, we only have 2 kids so it's not like we needed a huge vehicle.
     
  38. BasementCrew22

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    That I don’t get. Your last sentence. I have a 2015 Explorer with a 3 month old, wife, and a golden retriever. If we go anywhere overnight, we are packed to the gills. Even a beach day, it’s pretty full. I don’t get how you can have at least 4 people and think an SUV has waaaaay too much space.
     
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  39. jokewood

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    The Honda Odyssey spy cam package almost makes me want to have kids.
     
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  40. MoJo

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    I said large SUV. I don't think an Explorer falls into that category but I may be wrong. We have a 2005 Infiniti FX 35 that we use for family trips and sure it gets full, but we've always made it work and I guarantee you it doesn't have more room than a large sedan, though I have used the roof rack at times as well.
    The only thing a full size SUV does significantly better than a minivan is tow and maybe go off-road. Minivans have tons of storage and better access but people are welcome to drive what they like, my wife wouldn't dream of driving a minivan because of the stigma and way they look, which I would guess is how most people feel.
     
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  42. Prospector

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    The Morning Shift
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    The Morning ShiftAll your daily car news in one convenient place. Isn't your time more important?
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    September was an absolute disaster for new car sales, more bad news may lay ahead for the car industry as a whole, General Motors’ striking workforce digs in, Tesla’s going to China and more for The Morning Shift of Wednesday, Oct. 2, 2019.

    1st Gear: The ‘Oh Shit’ Moment Has Arrived
    For the past two years or so, we’ve seen a general flattening or outright decline in new car sales after nearly a decade of unfettered growth. Some segments and brands have fared better than others, of course. In general, this hasn’t been a stellar time to be selling sedans and small cars. But fears of a saturated new car market have always loomed large, compounded by concerns over a larger economic downturn lurking around the corner.

    Well, September’s new car sales figures won’t do anything to assuage those fears. Very much the opposite. Things seem bad across the board.

    Here’s Bloomberg:

    Results were disastrous for leading Asian automakers Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co., which both suffered double-digit declines that were worse than analysts anticipated. While a fuller picture will emerge Wednesday when General Motors Co. and Ford Motor Co. are due to report, the poor performance suggests that overall deliveries of cars and light trucks could come in worse than the 12% drop anticipated by analysts, based on six estimates.

    The severity of the slide stokes fears that a long-anticipated car sales collapse may be arriving. The slowdown puts auto dealers already struggling with shrinking profit margins in an even more precarious position. With outgoing model-year vehicles clogging their lots, automakers had to pony up record incentives of more than $4,100 a vehicle in the third quarter, according to researchers at J.D. Power and LMC Automotive.

    I won’t go into all the details here but there’s a ton more at Automotive News explaining how bad it was, brand by brand. Just read the headlines:

    SUBARU: Streak ends at 93 months

    TOYOTA-LEXUS: 17% drop as cars, trucks take hit

    NISSAN-INFINITI: Weak light trucks deliver a big slump

    HYUNDAI-KIA: Only Genesis posts gain

    The party’s even over at seemingly invincible Subaru.

    Update 1:30 p.m.: Since a lot of people are reading this story, I’ll go ahead and add the newly released numbers from the American automakers.

    According to Automotive News, Fiat Chrysler posted a 10 percent year-over-year sales decline, as did GM, while Ford was down a whole 12 percent. So it’s pretty not-great news all around.

    It’s scary, but it makes sense. We only had so many years of buying brand new cars before, presumably, buyers tapped out. As dealer lots get “clogged” (good Lord, that’s bleak) with unsold new cars, incentives and deals to get them gone will be the name of the game. The one ray of hope in this dismal situation is the SAAR. Back to Bloomberg real quick:

    A closely watched measure that aims to smooth out month-to-month sales swings — the seasonal adjusted annualized rate, or SAAR — suggests the pessimism reflected in how auto shares traded Tuesday may be overblown. The rate was 17.2 million in September, according to Ward’s Automotive Group, up from 17 million in August, which benefited from more selling days this year, including the Labor Day holiday weekend.

    As we’ll discuss in Neutral, if you haven’t bought a new car in the last few years—making you among a small minority, it would seem—this grim situation could be used to your advantage.

    2nd Gear: UAW Rejects GM’s Latest Proposal
    GM has it even worse with its unionized workforce currently on strike for the 17th day, the longest labor action that automaker has faced since 1970. Last night UAW negotiators rejected GM’s latest deal offer, indicating the two sides are far from an agreement. From The Detroit Free Press:

    In a letter to members, Terry Dittes said that GM made a “comprehensive proposal” at 9:40 p.m. Monday. “This proposal that the company provided to us on day 15 of the strike did not satisfy your contract demands or needs. There were many areas that came up short like health care, wages, temporary employees, skilled trades and job security to name a few.”

    Dittes, who is vice president of the union’s GM Department, said the company made proposals he described as seeking concessions on the union’s part.

    “We have responded today with a counterproposal and are awaiting GM’s next proposal to the union,” wrote Dittes. “Regardless of what is publicized in print or social media, etc., there are still many important issues that remain unresolved.”

    While the automaker is profitable and currently cash-rich, IHS Markit analyst told the Freep that “GM is looking at a very expensive footprint going forward with autonomous vehicle and electric vehicle development, and they don’t want an expensive legacy costs.” Workers say they’re being asked to make too many concessions and are trying to get back things they gave up during the recession.

    Meanwhile, strikers live on $250 a week strike pay as GM loses an estimated $25 million per day.

    3rd Gear: UAW Wants A Faster Path To Top Wages
    One big reason the latest offer was rejected is that it apparently didn’t address one key issue the union wants resolved—speeding up the path to top-tier wages.

    Right before the recession, workers agreed to a two-tier wage structure that split employees between legacy people making $28 an hour and new hires making half that. After eight years the second-tier workers can ostensibly move up (they can and do get raises but those are capped) and the union wants that process sped up. From Automotive News:

    Now, General Motors’ resistance to letting workers attain full pay faster is seen as one of the reasons the union has been on strike since mid-September. UAW members today argue that eight years is too long to wait, especially as the automakers amass record profits and dole out lucrative bonuses to executives.

    [...] Labor experts say there’s recent precedent for quicker paths to earning top dollar, making it an issue on which the two sides could find compromise.

    “The UAW is determined to make headway, in part because the notion of equal work for equal pay goes to the very heart of the union,” Harley Shaiken, a University of California at Berkeley professor who studies labor issues, told Automotive News. “Their motto is solidarity forever, and this gnaws at that. Some major movement here is going to be necessary to get a deal ratified.”

    The union’s argument is that the recession is over, the company’s doing great and executives are getting awarded huge bonuses, so it’s time for new hires to hit the higher wages sooner.

    4th Gear: BMW Very Narrowly Beats Mercedes
    Thirty-four cars! Via Bloomberg:

    BMW Group’s namesake brand was neck-and-neck with its German rival in the U.S. last month, edging Daimler’s Mercedes-Benz unit by a mere 34 light vehicle and keeping the race for sales bragging rights close into the final stretch.

    BMW posted a 6 percent gain in September, delivering 27,467 cars and SUVs. Sales of the 3 Series sedan rose 19 percent and the X5 SUV more than doubled volume from a year ago.

    Mercedes deliveries rose 4.8 percent to 27,433, paced by deliveries of the GLC and GLE SUVs, which jumped 13 percent and 28 percent, respectively.

    Mercedes, I’m sure, will strike back by making yet another coupe-crossover in a different size than what BMW makes, and BMW will thus have no choice but to make an X4.5 or something.

    We haven’t even gotten into the decimals yet, people. This war is far from over.

    5th Gear: Tesla In China
    Tesla’s Shanghai plant is slated to finally open this month, allowing the electric automaker better access to the world’s biggest car market (and most important EV market.) That’s a huge deal for Tesla, although some questions remain. Via Reuters:

    Tesla Inc.’s China factory aims to start production this month but it is unclear when it will meet year-end production targets due to uncertainties around orders, labor and suppliers, sources with knowledge of the matter said.

    The U.S. electric vehicle maker aims to produce at least 1,000 Model 3s a week from the new factory by the end of this year, the centerpiece of its ambitions to boost sales in the world’s biggest auto market and avoid higher import tariffs imposed on U.S. cars.

    The factory is kicking into gear amid the U.S.-China trade war and weakness in China’s auto market. Sales of new energy vehicles contracted for a second month in a row in August, and are likely to grow at a slower pace this year to 1.5 million vehicles, down from a previous forecast of 1.6 million, according to an industry association.

    Tesla has fared better, with China sales rising 98 percent in the first seven months of this year thanks to strong demand for Model 3, according to research firm LMC Automotive.

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    Neutral: Will You Take Advantage Of The Sales Slump?
    Get ready for the incentives and deals, to say nothing of the year-end sales events. Any new cars on your wish list?
     
  43. Prospector

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    Used car prices fall; new vehicle incentives impact used car demand
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    Used vehicle prices declined in September after the prices were flat in July and rose in August, and the prices might continue to fall depending on the incentives and discounts that are being offered in the new car market.

    In a recent conference call on the used vehicle market, economists Jonathan Smoke and Zo Rahim, both of Cox Automotive, explained price trends through September and provided insights into the market for the rest of 2019 and into 2020.
    Wholesale prices in the market fell 1.04% in September, from August, Rahim said. As a result, the Manheim Used Vehicle Value Index fell to 139.9, which is flat from September 2018 and down from the record high. Used vehicle prices rise as a result of the inherent inflation of new vehicle prices, Rahim said.

    Also, used vehicle prices change seasonally, such as during tax return season, when prices typically increase. When looking at price trends for three-year-old vehicles, which are the most popular ones sold at auction, prices generally start to decline in the fall and winter after the spring price bump when people start to receive their tax returns and demand for used vehicles rises. The prices were flat through most of the summer but have since started to decline. The decrease in September was larger than expected, Smoke said.

    He explained incentives and low-interest rates being offered in the new car market have led to weakness in the used car market and could impact used car values through the remainder of 2019.

    “That effectively becomes my biggest concern that could weigh on used vehicle values through the end of the year and even to start next year,” Smoke said.

    The low-interest rates along with the incentives make a new vehicle an attractive option to buyers compared to a used vehicle, and this has impacted used vehicle demand, he said. The rise in incentives, however, is not expected to continue over the long-term. A possible tightening in new vehicle inventory could slow the incentive growth.

    Used vehicle values declined in every vehicle segment, except for vans and luxury cars, in September, from the same month in 2018, he said. Electric car prices rose 14.8% in September, from the same month in 2018. Cars comprised 47% of used vehicle sales, while SUVs accounted for 36%, according to Manheim. Pickups and vans accounted for 12% and 5%, respectively.

    Used vehicle sales are projected to fall to 39.2 million in 2019, from 39.4 million in 2018, according to Cox Automotive. The sales are projected to fall to 39 million vehicles in 2020. Retail sales of used vehicles, which represents car dealer sales, is expected to rise by 1.5% to 19.8 million in 2019, from 19.5 million in 2018. It’s expected to increase to 20 million in 2020.

    In the first quarter of fiscal 2020, which ended July 31, vehicle sales for America’s Car-Mart Inc. were flat at 12,523 vehicles. In fiscal 2019, which ended April 30, the Bentonville-based buy here, pay here used car dealer sold 50,257 vehicles, up 4.1%, from the previous year.

    The number of vehicles that are coming off lease is expected to rise 5.1% to 4.1 million vehicles in 2019, from 3.9 million vehicles in 2018, according to Cox Automotive. The number also is expected to be 4.1 million vehicles in 2020.

    The average price of rental vehicles sold at auction fell 0.7% in September, from the same month in 2018. The price of the vehicles declined by 0.9% in September, from August. The mileage of rental vehicles sold at auction declined 2% to 46,943 miles in September, from August, Rahim said, noting that rental car conditions improved. The mileage of the vehicles increased 6% in September, from the same month in 2018.

    U.S. automobile dealers see the existing market as negative, with the Cox Automotive Dealer Sentiment Index at 48 for the third quarter of 2019, according to Cox Automotive. The index fell from 49 in the second quarter. More dealers in the third quarter see the market as weak, compared to the number of dealers who see it as strong. Dealers remain positive about the next quarter but are less optimistic than they were in the second quarter.
     
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  44. Odin

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    Yes, i am in the market for a new car
     
  45. THF

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    Has anyone ever done a Ceramic Coating on their own vehicle?

    I just did one on my new truck. It may be me imagining things but it looks more glossy now. Took me most of the afternoon yesterday (thank goodness for a bye week).

    Was curious if anyone else had done it.
     
  46. ramszoolander

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    Nope. Never even done a clay till now (although I've used Mother's cleaner wax pretty religiously). But after the clay I might do what you did.
     
  47. THF

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    It was pretty easy but make sure you have good lighting. Also make sure you do it indoors. This morning I noticed a few areas I should have buffed out better. Also if you use Isoprop alcohol before the ceramic, it’s good to dilute it down to around 10% to make sure you don’t harm the clear coat. I just bought a bottle of 70% and did 3 ounces of alcohol with 13 ounces of water to get a close enough mixture.
     
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  49. ramszoolander

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    This is really helpful...especially since I don't have a garage...

    But my in-laws do, so I might take advantage if I decide to do this!
     
  50. Bo Pelinis

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    Have you considered building a very fancy car port @randomthoughtsthread
     
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