Help me pick a new car/vehicle

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  1. ramszoolander

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    Would actually be very idiomatic for my house (a 1924 bungalow), but it's probably way down the list. But that whole discussion did make me LOL since even FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT built carports all the time...
     
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  2. THF

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    Another option is to find a local business that has a parking garage and do it over the weekend when there isn't a lot of people in there. You can do the car wash where ever you want. I highly suggest doing the two bucket wash if you can. Basically you have a bucket for soap/water and a second for rinsing the mitt/brush to remove the old soap and dirt to ensure to don't transition the dirt back to the car when you soap up again.

    Then you can take it to the parking garage, do the clay process, and then wipe down with the IPA mixture. Finally apply the ceramic.
     
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  3. ned's head

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    Lease is up and I'm going to have to make a somewhat uneducated decision. I'm split between the volvo s60 and xc40. I can get them for around the same price, with the same options except the s60 has the upgraded audio. Question is: Are compact SUVs safer than midsize sedans? The s60 is actually a little bigger, but lower to the ground.
     
  4. bturns

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    The more important question here is why are you buying a Volvo???
     
  5. ned's head

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    I'm leasing and I'm cheap. The s60 I have now is every bit as nice as the bmw I had before it, at around 60% of the payment. I just want to figure out if my kid would be safer in one over the other.
     
  6. bturns

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    man, if you plan on driving that thing over 100K miles, be prepared to be servicing that thing monthly and paying out the ass for every repair.
     
  7. Chumbolone

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    https://leasehackr.com/
     
  8. BrickTamland

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    Buy the one you can pay cash for.
     
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  9. Shawn Hunter

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  10. Why?Pokes

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    Generally speaking all new cars are pretty close to each other in simulated collision performance (car vs crash test obstacle) although there are minor variations which are widely publicly available.

    All else being equal (collision scores, model year, crumple zones), the more massive car will perform better in crashes than the less massive car. At a certain point you can’t beat the basic laws physics.

    The caveat is that crash avoidance can matter as much as crash performance in the real world. Cars that handle better, have more electronic safety features, more emergency power and braking capabilities, etc... might be more desirable than a vehicle with marginally better safety rating, depending on your personal preferences.

    TLDR; you’re likely splitting hairs and Volvos are one of the safest cars on the market. Get the one that best fits your lifestyle and/or the one you want.
     
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  11. Det. Frank Bullitt

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    are dealers going to unload cars for less due to covid? just wondering.
     
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  12. NoNatty

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    I posted this on our private board, but my good buddy was the used purchasing manager for one the largest dealership groups in Arizona. He just got furloughed but said the used market is gonna be brutal for dealerships by the end of the month.
     
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  13. Prospector

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    COVID-19 impacts vehicle sales; new market’s 0% interest rate affecting used market
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    by Jeff Della Rosa ([email protected]) April 10, 2020

    The used vehicle market is being challenged by the new vehicle market as it offers strong financing incentives to prospective buyers amid the COVID-19 pandemic that’s hurting sales in both markets, an economist said.

    In a recent conference call on the used market, chief economist Jonathan Smoke provided an economic overview of the pandemic and the impact on the used car market along with Zo Rahim, manager of economics and industry insights. Smoke and Rahim are both with Cox Automotive, and they also presented the Manheim Used Vehicle Value Index for March.

    “A recession is unavoidable as the shutdown of activity in March will be big enough for the first quarter to be negative on real GDP growth,” Smoke said. “The second quarter will see a big decline, most likely historic. We could see recovery later in the year if the pandemic ends and consumer sentiment improves. If the impact lasts longer we likely won’t see a year-end recovery in sales. It all depends on the virus and the response to it. In the near term, the shutdowns and the related job losses are key to understanding the extent of decline.”

    Almost 10 million claims for unemployment were filed in the two weeks ending March 28, Smoke said, adding that another 5 million claims are expected this week. The largest percentage of job losses so far have been in Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Nevada, Michigan and Washington.

    Consumer sentiment has fallen 28% since the end of February, he said. And the sentiment is likely to continue to fall as negative data on the economy and COVID-19 continue to be released. Smoke said sentiment will be a leading indicator of recovery in the automotive market.

    New vehicle sales hit a bottom last week as they fell 67%, from the same week in 2019, and the declines were the sharpest in March, he said.

    In March, total new vehicle sales fell 38%, from the same month in 2019, Rahim said. Retail sales of new vehicles were down 41% in March, leading to the lowest seasonally adjusted annual rate of sales since February 2010, he said. So far this year, overall retail sales are down 13%, from the same period in 2019.

    Like new vehicle sales, used vehicle retail sales also reached a bottom last week as they were down 64%, from the same week in 2020, Smoke said. Used sales declines accelerated over the last 10 days of March as the used vehicle market was challenged by the new vehicle market with most major manufacturers offering financing incentives.

    “It’s all because of the very attractive 0% APRs that are garnering interest and actually are starting to register a not insignificant part of the market in the new vehicle market,” Smoke said. “What we’re seeing is an increase in incentives that will put price pressure on the younger used vehicles, and that tends to also drive used vehicle prices lower.

    “But that’s not going to last forever because when we start to see things opening back up we will very quickly in the new vehicle market shift from being oversupplied to being undersupplied because of the disruption to supply chains around the world, and I would argue, that potentially will never be as productive as the global auto market has been in recent years,” he added. This is because of the supply chain and adjustments to health to react to the possibility of future flare-ups of COVID-19 or labor being aware of an increased need for personal protection or testing. As a result, it’s unlikely that vehicle sales would reach 17 million for the foreseeable future.

    Vehicle sales are expected to fall over the next few months but could recover by the end of the year as new vehicle sales drop below 12 million in 2020, from 17.3 million last year, and used vehicle sales decline to less than 30 million in 2020, from 40 million in 2019, Smoke said. If the shutdown continues, new vehicle sales could drop to below 11 million and used vehicle sales could be under 29 million for the year.

    “That’s a bleak outlook compared to where we were in January,” Smoke said. “I hope we’re wrong.”

    Used vehicle sales started to rise for about 10 days in March until the onset of the pandemic, Smoke said. Used vehicle sales typically rise in the spring as people receive their tax refunds.

    Concerning the Manheim Used Vehicle Value Index, it’s an indicator of what used car dealers are paying for vehicles on the wholesale market, Smoke said.

    Wholesale used vehicle prices on a mix, mileage and seasonally adjusted basis fell 1.1% in March, from February, Rahim said. As a result, the Manheim Used Vehicle Value Index rose 4.4% to 141.9, from the same month in 2019.

    Also in the call, Benjamin Flusberg, associate vice president of M Logic, which is the Manheim suite of decision products, explained changes to the Manheim Market Report (MMR). The MMR shows wholesale vehicle values, and it typically follows average auction prices. But amid the pandemic, the gap has widened between the auction prices and the MMR prices, which haven’t fallen as significantly as auction prices. This means MMR prices are higher than auction prices, Flusberg said, adding that he expects MMR to return to normal over the next two weeks.

    Vehicles retention values of those between one to three years old fell 0.2% in March, from the same month in 2019, Smoke said. As of this week, the values are down 1%
     
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  14. wes tegg

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    If it weren't only for FCA vehicles, their no payments for 90 days and 84 month 0% financing would be hard to pass up.
     
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  15. Seavie

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    If you had to pick between a new Mustang GT Premium, or a new Camaro 2SS, which would you get, and why?
     
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  16. wes tegg

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    Is this as a daily driver or a toy?
     
  17. Seavie

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    Likely daily. I own my current car (small crossover) outright. Likely trading it in, but might be persuaded to keep it. Leaning towards the new one being daily.
     
  18. wes tegg

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    I think the Mustang will have a nicer interior and better tech, but the Camaro has a manual that will be a lot more fun. Specs are comparable. I don't think I'd want either as a daily driver, though.
     
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  19. OldazzNinjaman

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    I'd go Mustang all day and tomorrow. Chevys are shit. I'm not a Ford guy either. Just have friends who have had them and noticed that the Mustangs are slightly better. If you're looking at those why not check out the new Supra or a gently used BMW M series?
     
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  20. Gert B Frobe

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    As a gasoline engine, the LS/LT1 Chevy engine is the best on the market for sports cars, and has been since introduction. The Mustang may be a bit quicker of the shelf, but the chevy engine can take 1000+ hp with no problem. Throw a single turbo on it and it makes the Mustang look like a 4cyl.

    If its comfort/mileage just get the one you like best.
     
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  21. REGGNECK

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  22. Gert B Frobe

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    Total BS

    Edit : unless you are talking about 4 or 6cyl, then I agree Ford is the better engine.
     
  23. wes tegg

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    Agreed. The new Supra is awesome.
     
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  24. OldazzNinjaman

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    ok..
     
  25. dblplay1212

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  26. Seavie

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    Mustang does seem to have a nicer interior. Seems to be sleeker and more "traditional" if that's the right word. Camaro is a little more out there, but nothing too bad. I work from home and am hardly ever on the road. No commute. So in a sense it would be a toy I guess.

    Mustang has always been something I wanted growing up. I have no brand loyalty either way. Are you aware of any mechanical problems with the Camaro?
    As far as used goes, I'm building my own with exactly what I want which is why I'm going the new route.
    Yeah I'm 50/50 on which I want at this point. Wouldn't be racing it or anything like that.
     
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  27. Boo MFer!

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    Yeah good, okay so what about the Camaro? Yeah, it's a piece a shit. It’s an, it's an XLR. It's a Cadillac. It's built on a fuckin Cadillac fuckin goddamn platform. It's a Cadillac. IT'S A PIECE OF SHIT. Go look at the Dodge Challenger.
     
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  28. Seavie

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    You've been an enormous help.

    Not sure if this is some quote or your actual thoughts.
     
  29. wes tegg

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    Some wild takes on this topic...
     
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  30. Gert B Frobe

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    If not for performance, get the one you like. Fords have better interiors up and down the line.
    Little snappy with the BS, lol...but do quite a bit of performance work with some friends on the side and for performance and reliability, that LS/LT engine is the best being made. The bottom end comes forged from the factory and was made as a starting point. The ford engines are fine and will last, but you will spend 5x the amount in parts to even be comparable if you ever wanted to upgrade.

    Point being, if you just want a sporty looking car, get the Mustang with a 6 cyl. They last, good mileage and great looks. If you wanna go fast, get the Camaro and throw on a turbo.

    You can and will get lemons in any brand, but in my experience, as far as major problems, Ford is not a bit better. Both are along the same lines....Dodge on the other hand...ugg.
     
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  31. Seavie

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    Honestly I've been surprised at there being more helpful responses at this point. I expected a lot of ridicule.
     
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  32. steamengine

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    How much are these gonna be?
     
  33. OldazzNinjaman

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    Eh, not really just shit friends have said in the past nothing too crazy. One had issues with oil leaks. I'm sure there's plenty of mechanical data on either all over the internet. To me the fit and finish of the Mustangs seem nicer. Have driven both and liked the Mustang better.
     
  34. dblplay1212

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    Didn't know there was a new Supra but damn that's a good looking car. Not something I think I'd ever own but damn it's sharp.
     
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  35. Seavie

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    Going V8 on either one. Just don't know which yet. And won't really be doing any upgrades. Not so much concerned about gas mileage since I don't commute daily. So with all that in mind...do either stand out?
     
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  36. dblplay1212

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    Rumor is starting at $70k iirc but idk what that comes with and what you can add on.
     
  37. Seavie

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    Yeah I test drove the same Mustang I'd be getting. Same engine at least. It didn't have the nicer equipment package though.
    Dealer only had a V6 Camaro so I know the SS trim would be nicer.

    Camaro is a little harder to see out of on the sides and rear. But was told the SS has some kind of mirror/camera option that helps with that. The version I drove was a lesser trim so it didn't have those options.
     
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  38. GordoBombay

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  39. OldazzNinjaman

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    Its a tough choice I suppose but to me the blacked out Mustang GT is an awesome looking car. I really like their darker green and red as well. Sounds like you need to drive an SS to know tho
     
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  40. wes tegg

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    I'd personally go with the Camaro because of the engine and the manual transmission. But, if you like a Mustang, go with that. Look at the BULLITT edition. It's pretty close in price to that GT premium, but it's sexier and will probably have a higher resale value with the special trim. :twocents:

    https://www.motor1.com/news/383536/2020-ford-mustang-dealer-discount/
     
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  41. Gert B Frobe

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    Drive them, and if used get a mech. to check out either because you won't know how either was treated by previous owner. If they check out get the one you like the best. Either isn't a huge leap from the other.

    I prefer the Camaro body-style but that comes from years of owning them, some like the mustang better...personal taste. I'd drive a Mustang no questions ask, they are great cars. Used to be huge transmission problems in the early GT days as Ford used nylon gears in the manual transmission, but the stopped that in the early 90s and chevy did have a oil leak problem around the oil pan but that was fixed many moons ago as well. I will say if you are getting a automatic, you are gonna love the 8sp in the camaro.
     
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  42. Seavie

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    Looking at the Kona blue with some black accents for the Mustang. And yeah would prefer to drive a SS. From what I understood they would submit the order and I could test drive it once it arrived.
    Looked at the Bullitt but it just didn't do it for me. The GT Premium seemed to be a more classic look to me as far as Mustangs go. Nice looking car for what it is though.
    Likely going to decide this weekend. Both Ford and Chevy told me that they could submit the builds and if I didn't go with one of them they would just keep it in inventory and sell it. They know I'm looking at both cars.
     
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  43. pianoman

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    If you go with the Mustang see if there's a dealer licensed to add a Roush supercharger in it. The Ford dealer in my town is licensed for it so you can get a 700 hp mustang for $43k.
     
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  44. Houndster

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    How about a lightly used Toyota Camry and doubling your 401k contributions????
     
  45. bturns

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    Go look for a 2019 corvette. They are trying to give them away. Better than either the Stang or Camaro...
     
  46. wes tegg

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    Not really. The base model C7 stingray isn't as nice as the trim packages he's talking about for the other two.
     
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  47. bturns

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    Why would you buy a base model vette? Z51 or better and you can get a hell of a deal right now...
     
  48. Gert B Frobe

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    You driven the mid engine? I hated the idea, but that thing is sweet. Wouldn't dare buy the into model though...need to see bugs worked out IMO.
     
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  49. wes tegg

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    I have not, but I’d love to.
     
  50. wes tegg

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    Sure, but that’s a totally different car and price point. He’s not going to find one comparable in price to what he’s talking about. He may also want back seats.