HoF Smoltzy v2.0: FUCK... On pace for 4-158

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  1. Owsley

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  2. Where Eagles Dare

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    It was rumored that all of these franchises asked for all of the Braves Top 100 guys b/c we're the Braves.

    Wild how that always prevents us from making trades
     
  3. Tobias

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    its danny ainge esque. "we totally wanted to make the deal and offered them acuna and fried but they said no"

    its all just spin cycle shit
     
  4. Tobias

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    the plan for the bullpen is lovely
     
  5. Connor Norman

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    Incredible we couldn’t pay that
     
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  6. ashy larry

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  7. Where Eagles Dare

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    JESUS FUCK.

    Fucking really, Alex??? $3 fucking million?
     
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  8. Where Eagles Dare

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    It really fucking sucks how cheap we're being.

    At least we aren't the mets with an unlimited payroll and we can't get anyone to play for us.
     
  9. One Man Wolfpack

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    Meanwhile Luke is cashing a check for $2 million a year to throw 53 foot sliders.
     
  10. Where Eagles Dare

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    He has dirt on management. No reason someone with an ERA near 8 should have gotten that contract
     
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  11. Clown Baby

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    After losing our arbitration against Soroka, there was simply no money left for Melatonin
     
  12. One Two

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    Yeah but you aren’t factoring in all the money management is saving on Game Stop bills to keep Luke Jackson around
     
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  13. Where Eagles Dare

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    But we saved the same amount lowballing Dansby.
     
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  14. Clown Baby

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    Ozzie and Ronnie should hold out. Let’s burn this thing to the ground
     
  15. jplaYa

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    14/340 for Tatis Jr
     
  16. w2b

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    Acuna/Albies 15/135 lol.
     
  17. Drown ‘Em

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    I’ve said since we signed those deals that at some point the deals will backfire and cause the players to be upset, especially Ron. He got shorted well into 9 figures. Especially if we exercise the two options for $17M each during his age 29-30 seasons.
     
  18. Drown ‘Em

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    I’d definitely watch a reality show which followed the shenanigans they get into during their mini-strike.
     
  19. Boom TittyMilk

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    If they are gonna be pissed with anyone it should be their agents
     
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  20. FightingCock

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    They got screwed, relatively speaking
     
  21. Tobias

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    ronnie lost (conservatively) $100m on this deal
     
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  22. Drown ‘Em

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    Way more. So if we exercise the two club options, we will have paid him $134M for 10 years from his ages 21-30 seasons. The going rate is roughly $8M per WAR, and rising every year. Based on his average annual salary, he is being paid like someone you’d expect to average 1.68 WAR per season. He’s probably going to average no worse than 5 WAR, so he literally could be losing on average ~$25M per season.

    edit: just remembered pre-arb and arb years wouldn’t normally get paid as high, so the number he’s losing is less but the point remains how bad it is.
     
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  23. w2b

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    makes it even more of an outrage not ponying up another $10m-$15m to lock down the bullpen & bench.
     
  24. Stone Cold Steve Austin

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    Did you not see the Kipnis signing?
     
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  25. WC

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    I’ve always assumed they’ll get new deals eventually. There’s no way they keep playing on those cheap ass contracts.
     
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  26. Louis Holth

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    Does the bargaining agreement even allow this? I don’t think that’s really a baseball thing.
     
  27. Clown Baby

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    The owners will allow the union to renegotiate the contracts in exchange for a 365 game season
     
  28. Drown ‘Em

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    Gonna move to 4 inning triple headers
     
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  29. Clown Baby

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    Snit will still find a way to throw eight different pitchers and Luke Jackson
     
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  30. Stone Cold Steve Austin

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  31. WC

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    ‍idk
     
  32. Paddy Murphy

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    Assuming healthy careers Oz and Ron are the best two contracts in baseball, but with the way arb works you can’t say it’s a total miss on either of their parts. Both guys locked up set for life money 2-3 years early and took injury and career risk off the table for them and their families.

    Obvious point is obvious and I joke with my friends that when AA put the first low ball offer on the table and they just accepted he must have had to fight the urge to tell them they are supposed to negotiate, but (quickest example I can think of) Matt Harvey looked like a sure fire 7/210 guy for 18-24 months and will end up washed out this year having made less than 30 in his career.
     
  33. Louis Holth

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    Ron also gets to pursue another deal at 31 and who knows what contracts will be at that point. If obviously rather be in Tatis’ shoes, but Ron could still out earn him in the end. Tatis will be 35 and essentially done.
     
  34. Tobias

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    to out earn him, ronnie will have to get 230m at age 31. i don’t see that happening
     
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  35. Drown ‘Em

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    Not to mention, if teams are willing to pay him that at that point then he will have produced at a rate which makes his current contract almost criminal.
     
  36. BP

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    Ron can just transition to DH and keep smashing into his mid to late 30's.
     
  37. Clown Baby

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    Toby forgot to log into his Gin Buckets alt to imply that Ronnie falls off a cliff at 30
     
  38. Snakes

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    Only way Ronnie out earns Tatis is if we rip up his contract at some point and give him something he deserves. I highly doubt Liberty ever does that.
     
  39. Tobias

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    thinking ronnie is gonna get a 230m deal at the age of 31 i knew you were the angels gm
     
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  40. Reggie Washington

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    No chance Ronnie's contract doesn't end up becoming a distraction. Especially as more of his peers start getting big time contracts. Every time that happens, the writers will bring his up again.

    Ownership is cheap as shit so they won't decide to re-negotiate on their own but we'll probably get shamed into it eventually.
     
  41. ashy larry

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    inexcusable to not make the money printer go brrrrr on free agents with those ron/oz contracts being what they are
     
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  42. Drown ‘Em

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    What’s the point of creating financial flexibility by signing Ron and Oz to those deals if we just turn around suddenly lose it by signing other guys?
     
  43. BamaNug

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    Talking myself into it, the only way I could see Ronnie/Oz's deal spun as a positive is if we go and use that money elsewhere in signing bigtime guys.

    So basically, lolwrongnumber
     
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  44. SC

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    The savings from those signings go to where they’re needed most. In this case, it’s mechanical bull maintenance at the PBR Bar.
     
  45. ashy larry

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    boooooo
     
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  46. BamaNug

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    We only going with TDA and Alex Jackson at catcher?

    On paper, don't think we improved compared to last year. Basically the same starting 8 (maybe worse with a Kakes one year older/same holes), Starting Pitching probably better with Soroka back and Anderson with exp, our BP definitely worse.

    Just some good doom and gloom this Thursday AM
     
  47. ashy larry

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    what depth is he talmbout
     
  48. Room 15

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    + Morton and Smyly. SP is definitely better.
     
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  49. Clown Baby

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    If I have to witness Luke Jackson roll it to Alex Jackson, I’m out.
     
  50. Drown ‘Em

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