HoF [REDACTED] v2.0: FUCK...We suck again!

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  1. BP

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  2. Sterling A

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    What do you think of Ozzie Albies? Seemed to have a good first stint (Eno’s gushing). Does his swing and approach lend to more swing and miss at the major league level? By eye test, seemed like he was trying to swing for the fences every time.

    Jeff Sullivan:
    It takes a tremendous amount of talent to play like he did at the major-league level as a 20-year-old. I think Albies is going to be one of the best players in baseball over the next five years or so. Not in the top ten, but only a little outside of it
     
  3. Where Eagles Dare

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    Bitch stupid.

    He'll make Altuve look like a scrub.

    Same with Acuna::Trout
     
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    Altuve and Trout?

    I guess that's alright.

    Now just need a Kershaw comp, we already know Gorhara :: Sabathia
     
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  5. Sterling A

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    Thoughts on Acuna? What do you predict for 2018?

    Jeff Sullivan:
    Good, very good. Won’t be an immediate superstar, but I have very few doubts longer-term


    There seems to be a lot of optimism about Atlanta’s future. Can you tell me why? I get Acuna is awesome, but they poured a ton of resources into rebuilding around pitching, which is risky (and dumb) to begin with, and all of their arms seem incredibly risky. The rebuild would be a disaster without the Frank Wren regime signing Acuna and Albies.

    Travis Sawchik:
    It’s a high-risk, high-reward system, but it also is a top-three system. And the Braves should have a ton of payroll space next offseason. And Acuna
     
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  6. Where Eagles Dare

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    Sorry, all of our pitchers suck
     
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    Nice to see Folty seemingly have a good spring. No earned runs?
     
  8. Where Eagles Dare

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    Oh, fuck the AJC paid all

    Fuck DOB too. Loser.
     
  9. jrmy

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    More like shorter, fatter Randy Johnson
     
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    Also, Preston Tucker is knocking the cover off the ball this spring...hoping he can lock down LF so Markakis becomes OF#4 when Acuna is promoted
     
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  12. Where Eagles Dare

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    Can we please tell Julio to fuck off some time soon?

    Folty needs to be our opening day starter and we can relegate JT to some other fucking spot until he doesn't suck...which is likely never
     
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  13. Sterling A

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  14. Sterling A

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    ACUNA!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    I'm really not interested in waiting several weeks to watch him in Atlanta.
     
  17. Reggie Washington

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    Just picks up right where he left off. Doesn't matter who's pitching.
     
  18. jrmy

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    Also just saw that Folty apparently has pitched 13 innings so far in the spring and has given up 7 total hits and walks and no runs, which is nice.
     
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    Why not make him a contract offer right out of camp to raise his initial salary through arb years?
     
  20. Upton^2

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  21. Gaknight

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    Yeah. Could the Braves not renegotiate his contract and give him a little more money to not send him down and add that additional year they lose by not sending him down? Seems like both parties should be for that.
     
  22. Sterling A

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    Will former No. 1 pick Dansby Swanson blossom into a star?

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    "I don't even look at it as failure. I look at it as growth.'' As he reflects on his not-so-hot 2017, Dansby Swanson remains optimistic about what he'll bring to Atlanta this season.


    LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. -- If Dansby Swanson ever wanted to retreat into anonymity and ease his burden as one of the most scrutinized players on the Atlanta Braves' roster, there's an easy solution: He can just pass himself off as Charlie Culberson.

    Fans and media members drifting through Braves camp have noted the resemblance between Swanson and Culberson. The two infielders are fellow Georgia natives who are similar in stature, have close-cropped beards, hair straight out of a shampoo commercial and the classic attribute that scouts refer to as the "good face.''

    "It happens way more often than you would think,'' Swanson said. "I got a tweet from a person the other day who said, 'Thanks for signing the ball,' and it was clearly Charlie's autograph. You can see a couple of C's and a No. 16 on it. It's pretty funny. We both have a good sense of humor, so neither one of us gets upset about it.''

    Culberson, 27, is a former first-round pick by the San Francisco Giants who's seeking stability as a utility player in his fourth big league stop. Swanson, 24, was the No. 1 pick in the draft by the Arizona Diamondbacks out of Vanderbilt University in 2015, and he was hailed as the player who would team with Freddie Freeman to help the Braves regain their status among the NL East elite when Atlanta acquired him by trade six months later.

    asked 35 analysts to predict their MLB award winners coming out of spring training, 26 said Swanson would win the National League Rookie of the Year award.

    Then the regular season began, and Swanson kept accumulating emotional baggage. He missed two weeks with a strained right oblique in spring training and got off to a terrible start that was compounded by bad luck. Swanson hit .156 in April with a .188 batting average on balls in play. The Braves sent him to Triple-A Gwinnett for a refresher course in August, and he finished the season with a .636 OPS, a minus-0.3 WAR and a minus-7 defensive runs saved -- 30th among MLB shortstops.

    Most big league All-Stars, unless they're Mike Trout, have stories to tell about character-shaping struggles and obstacles overcome on their route to prominence. Those stories come with happy endings, but the daily plot twists can test a player's self-esteem.

    Swanson personifies the fickle nature of prospect evaluation. The Braves made him a focal point of team marketing and promotions last year, putting his face on digital billboards and the sides of buses. In June, 38,123 fans showed up at SunTrust Park to collect their Dansby Swanson bobbleheads, featuring his epic, Moroccan Argan Oil-enhanced "flow.''

    Like Barry Larkin, Joe Mauer and other players who stayed close to home, Swanson discovered that unworldly expectations and geographical ties can make for a daunting combination. He grew up in Marietta, Georgia, about 20 miles from Atlanta, and he's reminded of the organization's run of success in the 1990s and early 2000s whenever Chipper Jones drops into camp as a special assistant or John Smoltz passes through on assignment for MLB Network.

    "I watched it happen in Kansas City with Alex Gordon,'' said Braves hitting coach Kevin Seitzer. "He was a Nebraska guy who replaced George Brett. He was the first pick in the draft, the whole thing. And it wore on him. Gordo is a fighter, a gamer, a warrior and a grinder, and Dansby has the same makeup. When you try really hard in this game, usually things don't work too good.''

    Freed from the shackles of the daily box score, Swanson spent the winter trying to figure things out and tinkering with his game. He changed the positioning of his hands in his stance to shorten his path to the ball, and he has felt more comfortable in the Grapefruit League -- that early .212 batting average (7-for-33, .212) notwithstanding.

    "Starting my hands in a different spot allows me to sync up and get my body into a better position to hit,'' Swanson said. "I never doubted my hand-eye coordination or my ability. You're never as far off as you think.''

    Texas Rangers, he was a revered infield coach in Oakland with a reputation for molding Eric Chavez and Miguel Tejada into supreme defenders. He's sold on Swanson's intelligence, positioning, soft hands and footwork around the bag. But Swanson had a tendency to rush things as a rookie, and Washington is working with him to slow down and make sure that he secures the ball before he throws it.

    "I think the kid can play shortstop, and he's gonna be a shortstop for a long time to come,'' Washington said. "I'm around this kid and I've seen his mind work. He doesn't have the kind of talent where you say, 'Oh, man, look at that quickness,' or, 'Oh, man, look at that arm.' All he does is make the plays. There are some kids with a lot of talent, and all they do is screw up.''

    Washington, a baseball lifer with a perpetually upbeat approach, is part instructor, part life coach. He provided some vital encouragement last year during a May 15 game in Toronto, after Swanson made two errors against the Blue Jays. Swanson was hitting .184 at the time, and his body language suggested the rough patch was wearing on him.

    "He was sort of down, and I walked over to him and asked him, 'Can you play?''' Washington said. "He told me, 'Yeah, I can play.' So I said, 'If you can play, you have to look at your whole body of work and forget about what just happened.' I don't care what the critics say. There isn't a person in the game who hasn't done that.''

    If the trials of his rookie year left any scars, Swanson keeps them to himself. He talks about the value of his faith in keeping him grounded, and he shares inspirational sermons from his church in Nashville that remind him of his purpose in life to make a positive difference every day.

    Fans who criticized Swanson on social media last year didn't cut him much slack for arriving in Atlanta with a mere 127 games and 576 plate appearances on his minor league resume, but he has accepted the hazards of life in a fishbowl and refrains from lashing back at the trolls.

    He is also fully invested in making things work in his hometown. Swanson lives in a house with three old high school friends whom he regards as his "brothers,'' and he sounds like a walking chamber of commerce brochure.

    "I have so much passion for the city of Atlanta,'' he said. "I'm very loyal when it comes to the culture of Atlanta. Food. Faith. Family. Friends. Sports. I love the place, and my friends do too. We're all ATL, through and through. People talk about the outside pressure and the demands. But I've learned so much about how to handle those, and it's not a negative anymore.''



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    Like Phillies shortstop J.P. Crawford, another prospect who's trying to bounce back from struggles, Swanson lacks the physical gifts to dominate a game. He's not the type of prospect who will hit 40 home runs, steal 60 bases or make acrobatic plays nightly in the manner of an Andrelton Simmons or Nolan Arenado. But he has a chance to be a long-term regular who can have an impact as a steady defender, situational hitter and a winning piece on a contender.

    Those attributes made him a favorite son at Vanderbilt, where he arrived as a moderately recruited player who had to take out student loans to pay his way. A year after his arrival in Nashville, Swanson led the Commodores to the 2014 College World Series titles.

    "I know I can play the game of baseball,'' Swanson said. "Individual stats come and go, but the ultimate stat is winning and doing what you can do to win -- whether it's being in the right spot at the right time, or moving guy a guy over, or giving up an at-bat to get a guy in. That's always fueled me. I'm not going to hit you 40 [homers], but that doesn't take away from all the things I'm very good at.''

    Swanson's not-so-good 2017 is far enough in the past that it can be dissected and neatly compartmentalized. New Braves bench coach Walt Weiss, who won a Rookie of the Year award with Oakland in 1988, has shared his career experiences with Swanson in a couple of lengthy conversations that have focused very little on the intricacies of shortstop play.

    "I told him, 'Look on the bright side, Dansby. When you have a face like mine, they don't put it on a billboard,''' Weiss said. "Dansby kind of agreed with me. He was like, 'Yeah, I guess you're right.' That just made it worse.''


    Weiss laughs when he tells the story, in the same way Swanson chuckles over people confusing him with Culberson. Rookie outfielder Ronald Acuna is the new media sensation in Braves camp, and Swanson is free to do his drills and work on his swing without the burden of daily updates. It's a welcome development for his peace of mind as Swanson looks back and, mercifully, forward.

    "Just because last year didn't go as planned, it doesn't mean that this year won't,'' he said. "We all struggle at points in our lives. I'm grateful it happened early, because you can build off that and learn your lessons and move forward.

    "I don't even look at it as failure. I look at it as growth.''
     
  23. Gregor

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    I heard a guy on SiriusXM say the Braves may be in the Harper sweepstakes next year, but they’ve always had an aversion to Boras clients and will surely have to bid with the blue bloods. Still, he’d look damn good on this team in RF and they have money in the budget next year.

    https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/braves-rebuild-nears-fruition/
     
  24. Where Eagles Dare

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    Chip & Joe in mid season form
     
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    Fucking boner jams at a Acuna/Ender/Harper or Acuna/Pache/Harper OF for the next decade
     
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  26. Where Eagles Dare

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    Fuck Harper
     
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  27. Arkadin

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    Bryce Harper is awesome and I would love to have more awesome players
     
  28. Where Eagles Dare

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    Should I but he's a douche bag who is going to NYY so let's just stay on the fuck him train
     
  29. Where Eagles Dare

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    And LOL at Liberty Media allowing the braves to sign a player of that caliber/expense
     
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  30. Where Eagles Dare

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    Bring me the head of Machado
     
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  31. Upton^2

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    yeah 0 chance we even make an offer to him
     
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  32. Gregor

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    Maybe, maybe not. We got the Greek running things now.
     
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  33. bcuga

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    I think he is dying to do something big but knows this is not the year. Though I'm not sure he will go that big.
     
  34. Clown Baby

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    Chipper loves Harper and vice versa so maybe it’s a condition of Chipper taking the manager job
     
  35. Gregor

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    I also heard someone say the Braves would be players for Dallas Kuechel. Lots of hearsay of course because they have money to spend next year but I feel they'll make a splash with someone to pair with all the young talent.
     
  36. jplaYa

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    Harper would hit 50 bombs at Suntrust
     
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  38. Where Eagles Dare

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    He'd kill himself running into the shallow wall tho
     
  39. Arkadin

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    I've always thought the narrative that playing hard makes him a douche is weird. Not saying you said that, just an observation about him and his haters and losers
     
  40. Degausser

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    I don't think the playing hard part is what makes people think he's a douche. The people who hate him just enjoy when he slams his face into a wall at full sprint because he is a douche.
     
  41. Arkadin

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    There are lots of people on the baseball world who talk shit about everyone that is always balls to the wall. It's not specific to him
     
  42. jrmy

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    There’s balls to the wall then there’s being a try-hard peacock which is what he was his first couple seasons

    He’s mellowed out though
     
  43. Degausser

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    Oh, well the old "traditionalists" are dumb, so I was ignoring them. I thought we were talking about Smoltzy posters.
     
  44. Arkadin

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    I'm not taking out smoltzy posters. It's a thing. Like Bautista hits a bomb in a critical situation and flips his bat and half the people hate him for it. shits whack
     
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    You and I agree on these things. I love passion in sports.
     
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  46. jrmy

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    Agreed. I always found Harper annoying but mainly because he was a Nat. I would have loved him if he played for anyone else.
     
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  47. Degausser

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    Yeah, this is pretty much me. I hate any rival player of my favorite teams, particularly the superstars.
     
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    He does play hard, but I can't remember a time Harper went face first into a wall due to all out effort. I do remember him smashing his face a few times because of a complete lack of awareness.
     
  49. Degausser

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    Don't think this one was posted. Good god, man...

     
  50. Where Eagles Dare

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    Moon shot
     
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