HoF [REDACTED] v2.0: FUCK...We suck again!

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  1. Arkadin

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    Everyone who has seen him play the position believes he's a well above average center fielder long term
     
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  2. Joystick Izzy

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    Really? That’s surprising. Any sources?
     
  3. Arkadin

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    He had 4 runs saved in 74.2 innings in center last year. He was -2 for the season in left in 839.2 innings
     
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  4. Joystick Izzy

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    Dansby sucked two years ago and was great this past year, so it’s definitely possible Acuña is a plus defender long-term. He just had a rough rookie year to me.
     
  5. Arkadin

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    He's chipper on it pre-season

    “The bat stays through the zone a long time. He’s going to make consistent contact,” Jones said. “He’s not quite what Andruw (Jones) was in the outfield … but he’s not far off. I think he’s going to hit more from foul pole to
     
  6. Arkadin

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    There were 6 players with more than 4 runs saved in center last year.
     
  7. It'sAlwaysSunnyInAthens

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    Feel like Will Myers could be a fit in left. Apparently he's available and he's got more power and is a few years younger than any of the free agents not named Harper. He's owed a lot of money but he's under control for 5 years. Bowman said Brantley was a plan B guy, so we must be aiming higher in trades.
     
  8. Hurley 864

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    Hard pass on Myers. Can never stay healthy
     
  9. It'sAlwaysSunnyInAthens

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    That's a consideration, he only played 84 this year. But played in over 155 the previous two seasons.

    Brantley and Pollock have the same risk.
     
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  10. Sterling A

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    Huge pass, lets not go thinking we have an unlimited amount to spend. Have to be extremely smart cause that Acuna contract will be here before we know it

     
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  11. Clown Baby

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    You guys are so horny for Kluber that you’re totally ignoring that the tribe already has Leonys Martin in center.
     
  12. SC

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    Is Leonys Martin good or something?
     
  13. Arkadin

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    2 WAR player in a half a season last year is the ender role p much
     
  14. Clown Baby

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    Is Ender?
     
  15. SC

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    Looking at his career, that looks like an outlier 78 games more than anything else. Maybe it's real, but I'd have a hard time betting on that if I'm Cleveland.
     
  16. Arkadin

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    Sure he hasn't always been that player but if the premise is they want ender for cheap outfield bodies then Martin fills that
     
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  17. SC

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    Yes. He's flawed, to be sure. But he's a good player.
     
  18. Clown Baby

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    Trading away my two time Cy Young award winner for Ender Inciarte because I have a hard time relying on Martin’s 2018 numbers.
     
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  19. Clown Baby

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    You’re just so horny for Kluber. I get it, but facts can’t be ignored.
     
  20. SC

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    Perhaps. Martin's always been more of a 4th-OF'er type than anything else. I think it's more likely he reverts to that.
     
  21. Clown Baby

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    The Indians are worried about the long term viability of Frankie Lindor. They’re asking for Dansby now!!!
     
  22. SC

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    Kluber isn't the pitcher I'd want the most from Cleveland.
     
  23. Clown Baby

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    Oh that changes everything!
     
  24. Arkadin

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    I like ender but on a contender that's all he should be too. That's why everyone wants to get rid of him
     
  25. SC

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    Good lord, I'm not saying Ender would be the main piece of a deal for Kluber. I'm saying you could include him as a secondary piece and could fill a spot for Cleveland. That's all.
     
  26. Clown Baby

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    Yeah, I’m aware. It doesn’t make the proposition less dumb as fuck.
     
  27. It'sAlwaysSunnyInAthens

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    Martin played 6 games for Cleveland and nearly died. They aren't counting on him for shit.
     
  28. Clown Baby

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    ^Too horny for Klubes
     
  29. Arkadin

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    If you read this thread you'd assume ender inciarte was the worst baseball player on the planet for like 120 games but also that the Indians really need him
     
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  30. Degausser

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    Clown Baby sure is in an aggressive mood this morning for a guy whose team won the Super Bowl last night.
     
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  31. Clown Baby

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    The Indians brass are obviously huge dumbasses, susceptible to constant duping
     
  32. Arkadin

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    They could very well trade for ender and I'd still be like... Why?
     
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  33. It'sAlwaysSunnyInAthens

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    I don't even understand what you are arguing. People are reporting that they want a ml outfielder in addition to prospects. He's the only one we have to offer. No one thinks an Ender for Kluber deal is happening. It would obviously take considerably more.
     
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  34. Degausser

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    Sign and trade Kakes for Klubs straight up
     
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  35. Clown Baby

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    Did y’all know that SC prefers Clevinger? They’d probably accept someone like Lane Adams in return because Clevinger isn’t as accomplished as Kluber.
     
  36. Arkadin

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    I'm just saying I don't see what ender does for a team that claims they're trying to compete. We're a team trying to compete and everyone wants to get rid of him and move on because he's not good enough. I personally think he's fine and it's not all that realistic to expect everyone in the lineup to be a slugger when your payroll is limited. But that's the consensus on ender. I also don't think he's fit for a team in a mini rebuild if that's what in fact it turns out they're doing.
     
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  37. SC

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    What the fuck are you even talking about?
     
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  38. It'sAlwaysSunnyInAthens

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    He's trolling
     
  39. It'sAlwaysSunnyInAthens

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    Fangraphs had Ender as a top 10 CF in the league last year. For a team that needs a CF, there isn't a better option on the market.

    Braves fans wanting to get rid of Ender has nothing to do with his value. We are fortunate to have a legitimate superstar CF playing left. We also have two of the top CF prospects in all of baseball. Our CF depth is absurd. Most teams don't have this luxury.
     
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  40. Arkadin

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    Pache has nothing to do with the current braves team. Hes played 29 games above a ball and he's not acuna or soto
     
  41. It'sAlwaysSunnyInAthens

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    First, no one is Acuna. Second, Soto is an all bat left fielder, Pache is a generational defensive talent in CF. The comparison is bizarre and completely irrelevant.
     
  42. Arkadin

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    I'm talking about the track to the majors, not the position they play. Pache isn't sky rocketing through the system. He still has time before he's an every day hitter.
     
  43. Where Eagles Dare

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    Not every player on a MLB team has to be a top level hitter. He plays elite defense

    Ender would be fine if Ozzie wasn't trash, Dansby wasn't trash and our C spot wasn't a black hole for long stretches.

    Not sure specifically if he'd fit into Cleveland but it is kinda absurd to project him with absolutely zero value on any team
     
  44. Arkadin

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    Right I agree with all of that. I think ender is great for us. He's cheap and we have more pressing needs. But I'm definitely in the minority itt, especially in season
     
  45. Where Eagles Dare

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    He can fit the need for many other teams besides us, too
     
  46. Sterling A

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    He goes through stretches during the season for a month or so where you're like get ender tf out and then the next month he comes back and is the opposite. Very Inconsistent offensively especially when he has to face a lot of lefties
     
  47. It'sAlwaysSunnyInAthens

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    The latest out of the ATL….

    • Michael Brantley and Wilson Ramosare near the top of the Braves’ list of potential free agent targets, a source told MLB.com’s Mark Bowman this week. Given the two players’ age and injury histories, however, Bowman feels Brantley and Ramos are “nothing more than secondary options” for Atlanta at this point. At this early juncture in the offseason, the Braves (and every other team) are likely making inquiries about just about every free agent that fits their needs, so it’s too soon to say whether Atlanta will end up strongly pursuing Brantley and/or Ramos. The pair are fits for the Braves on paper, as Brantley could replace Nick Markakis in the outfield while Ramos could take over behind the plate from free agent Kurt Suzuki.
    • Also from Bowman’s mailbag piece, he speculates that “it would at least make sense for” the Braves to test Ender Inciarte‘s value on the trade market before age starts to hamper Inciarte’s defense and baserunning. Inciarte only recently turned 28, and there has yet to be much evidence that either his stellar glovework (+7.4 UZR/150, +17 Defensive Runs Saved in 2018) or his work on the basepaths (+6.1 BsR as per Fangraphs’ baserunning metric, though he did only succeed in 28 of 42 stolen base chances last year) is slipping whatsoever. That said, Inciarte has been a below-average hitter and run creator over his career, and actually took a step back at the plate in 2018, hitting just .265/.325/.380 over 660 PA. Since the Braves have another outstanding center field option in Ronald Acuna, it would be a bold but potentially wise move to sell high on Inciarte, as several teams would jump at the chance to add a player with his speed and defense, not to mention his affordable contract (owed $20MM through 2021, plus a club option for 2022). Bowman notes that Atlanta would only move Inciarte for “a significant return,” of course, though the team figures to be open to just about all trade options, with Acuna and Freddie Freeman perhaps being the only true untouchables in the organization.
    • As per the most recent quarterly earnings disclosure from Liberty Media (the Braves’ ownership group), the team’s $410MM in revenues for the first nine months of 2018 has already surpassed their $386MM total from all of 2017, Tim Tucker of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution writes. The move to SunTrust Park for the 2017 season led to an enormous jump in revenues (from $262MM in 2016), and as one might expect, the Braves’ run to the NL East title this season resulted in “increased ticket prices, higher attendance and increased concessions per turnstile” from July through September, as per Liberty Media’s report. It remains to be seen if this revenue jump will manifest into a larger payroll for the Braves this offseason. GM Alex Anthopoulos said during the summer that “there’s no single player that we can’t afford” while discussing possible trade deadline acquisitions, though a midseason pickup is certainly different than a multi-year free agent, expense-wise
     
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  48. It'sAlwaysSunnyInAthens

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    Rosenthal says Arizona is willing to eat salary on Greinke.
     
  49. Louis Holth

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  50. CUtigers86

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    Spends more time on the DL than playing. No thanks.