Shingle. Looks like a branch hit a 16-20ft swath on a rear eve. Needs to be gutted and redone and the roof inspector had the token disclaimer "not sure how far the damage goes into the roofline." Additional gutters need to be resloped because they weren't draining properly. Life expectancy of current roof is 4-6 years. Current homeowner had only been there for 8 months and has already moved out of state for work. What gives me additional pause regardless is those two items seem like odd things to not fix as they don't appear to be recent issues.
Had it inspected by one. Those were his findings. I'm worried the roof is going to be an onion with some concerning layers
I may have already posted this, but what do you do if you are me? Bought a house in 2010. inspector found some evidence of water leaks in the up stairs bedrooms, but no active leak. The seller said there were no active leaks. Bought the house, and that winter the house leaked. Did a bunch of damage, was covered under insurance, but insurance said to fix the problem, as they would not cover any additional loss. It was determined that the roof was the issue, so we hired a company to put a new roof on. That company was a good company, with a long track record of good work. However, the owner had just recently got sick, and turned the business over to his son, who drive it into the ground in a matter of months. Right at the end, they knew they were going down, and decided to fuck a bunch of people over by doing really shoddy work, then filing bankruptcy. I was lucky enough to be one of those people. So I paid for a new roof that was no better than the roof i just replace, with all kinds of issues and leaks. I then hired another company, with a good track record, with references form a friend. They seems like good people, and seemed to know what they were doing. Towards the end of the job though, the owner approached me and said - we have a problem. Apparently when they quoted the job, they included a new roof, as well as re-wrapping the aluminum around the windows. But the quote was for a standard, 4 square window. My windows are ornate, and much more complex. Long story short, it would cost the guy a couple grand to do the windows, that he didn't have in his number. BUT he said, the problem is the lower part of your window, that is where water is coming in. As a compromise, he said he'd re-wrap the lower sill. I legitimately felt bad for the guy, and thought what he was telling me was true and accurate, I trusted him. So I said fine, do that. The next winter I had a small leak. I called the roof guy, he came out and looked, and told me - The leak is coming from the top part of the window. We didn't touch the top part of the window, so this is not our problem, you need to re-wrap your windows. I'm like WTF are you talking about??? He all of the sudden got amnesia, and didn't recall how the whole thing went down. His story is: He came out, looked at the roof, went home to write up the quote. I called and asked him to include the windows, and he wrote a simple, 4-square window into the contract. But, upon coming to the job site again, he realized it was an ornate window, so he told me it would be more money, but I declined and said not to do it. Of note, I have a contract that says the windows will all be re-wrapped as part of the roof replacement. But, I did verbally agree to something other than that. Of course I was going on his recommendation when I made that decision, and he never changed the contract. The fucked up thing is that I allowed him to just re-wrap the bottom sill because I felt bad for the guy, I was doing him a favor, and now it came back to bite me in the ass, and instead of going to bat for me, this fucker throws me under the bus. So what do I do? I got a quot from this guy to re-wrap the windows (I played coy, like I wanted him to do the work, because I wanted the quote, and I wanted to see what he called it (he called it the same exact thing as he called it on the roof contract)), and it's like $5K. The windows need to be fixed, or I'll be getting leaks again this winter. I talked to my lawyer and he suggested I try to negotiate with the guy, and split the cost. I tried that and the roofing guy is not budging, he wants $5K or he's not doing the work. Through the entire discussion, the roofing guy is holding to the idea that if the job was not done the way we agreed, and the way I wanted, I would not have paid him. This is the basic crux of his argument - if the job wasn't done right, I would have never paid. But I did, so that's proof that what was done was exactly what I wanted and what we agreed to, regardless of what any contracts say.
So the contract says he didn't fulfill his obligation? And there is no documentation that you changed your mind? And he did the wrong work? Seems like a no-brainer to me, especially if he has amnesia about his recommendations.
Well, outside of a courtroom, your working relationship with this contractor is done. Not sure if legal fees warrant taking him to court but I'd at least threaten it if he is unwilling to compromise. His logic is wrong in my opinion; you hired a professional to help determine and fix a problem in which you have no expertise, so you are paying him in good faith that he knows what he's doing and that the problem gets fixed, as I'm sure he advertises. The only way you can determine if the work was satisfactory or not is if the issue was resolved, which may take some time to reveal itself. I don't know if you can get your insurance company involved but I would at least look into it.
Right, he says we had a verbal agreement outside of the contract. Which, technically, I do agree with. I'm still trying to do this by the book, but I suppose it's pretty easy to bring to court and say - here is what the contract says, and he did not do this. Plus, I have a quote from him for re-wrapping the windows, and it's the exact same verbiage as he used on the roofing contract, so he can't really claim he meant one thing on one quote, but something different on another. I'm not sure his defense of - well if it wasn't what we agreed to, then he would not have paid me - will hold up.
I agree. I really think he's a good guy who got in a little trouble (screwed up the original quote), scrambled a little, and fucked himself. I truly am not sure if he remembers how everything went down and he's playing a game with me, or if he really thinks it went down like he is saying. I can tell you with 100% certainty that my recollection of events is accurate. In hindsight I should have been a dick and said - fuck you, do the work you quoted, I don't care how much money you lose. Another fucked up thing, after the job was done, I went to the guy, and said - you know my situation, you know the nightmare this has been, what happens if this winter I have a leak? He said that's not going to happen. I said ok, but worst case scenario, I have a leak, what happens? He said you call me and I get out here immediately and I fix the problem, no ques tions asked. So that exact scenario happens, he comes out and say: it's your window, not my problem, have a good day. I wanted to fucking kill him.
The other fun part of this is I sort of want that original company to do the work. Because I can see how this plays out, I hire Company #2 to fix the windows, I have a leak, and Company #1 and #2 point at eachother as the cause of the issue. If I have one company do all of the work, I only have one ass to kick.
theriner69er they're probably insured even if bankrupt, so you may want to talk to a or to see about suing.
well right, but my contract for the roof and the windows, and all warranties, will be with 1 company. I'm thinking about what happens if there is an issue. If I have 2 companies, the roof guy says it's the window guy's fault, and the window guy blames the roof guy. Now I have to prove, somehow, whose fault it really is and get them to fix it. If the roof and widow guy are the same guy, I just tell him to fix the issue, and he has no one else to blame.
The cost to do the windows, $5K, is at a nice number where it's almost not worth the trouble of lawyers and court and all that. I've filed a claim with the BBB. This is his response (when he talks about knocking money off the price, he's talking about a couple hundred dollars on a $5K quote): we indeed replaced his roof 2 years ago. His roof prior was not done to long ago and he also had issues with the prior company. He had some issues with the roof so he decided to replace the shingles again. He believed the roof was leaking causing damaged to his walls inside. I went out there and measured the roof only at the time and was able to give him a price to replace the roof. A few days later he called and wanted a price to cap the windows and I told him a price over the phone figuring it would be a normal cap job. When I got out to the house again to sign the contract and collect the deposit I realized that his windows did not consist of a normal cap job because of how the windows acted as a dormer and it was constructed all of metal work. We were able to discuss the job and I had mentioned the metal work that was needed to be done was going to be substantially more than what was quoted over the phone. Now at this time I told him the price of what it would take to cap the windows entirely and this was before any signatures were signed and deposits handed over. Chad said he did not want to pay that amount extra so we then discussed more. We came to an agreement on what the cap job was gong to consist of and was written in the agreement as "capping windows" as I didn't expect Chad would come back at me saying the job was incomplete over 2 years later. In response to Chad saying I guaranteed what we would fix the issue if anything were to happen is false. We never even thought at the time that the "window cap" was the cause of the problem. If Chad thought that the cap was the problem there would of been no reason to replace the roof again in such a short time span. When we tore the roof off we did see some major wood rot on the roof deck that is directly above the windows. So we did replace wood and shingled over. Because of the evidence of that we thought that was the root of the problem. So the job was complete and we walk around to make sure the job is done to the satisfaction of the customer and what was agreed upon. We went inside after everything was looked at and no questions were asked at all and the total balance was paid in full. Now if the project wasn't completed and wasn't done to the specifications agreed upon or the customer was not satisfied I just question why would he decide to sign off and pay for the completed job? When I was out last to figure out the leak it was coming in at the very top of the metal ledge which we would not of done any work to in that area because Chad decided he did not want to pay the extra money at that time to replace all of the metal on that dormer. So in hindsight if he would of done what I suggested, Chad more than likely would not be in this situation. In no way shape or form do I mislead my customers but when I give a price over the phone and then realize that its actually going to take more in order to complete the job fully it is unfair on the customers end to think I would be responsible for that. If that was the case I would not of ran the job if we couldn't come to terms and Chad had every right to not go with me at the time because of the fact that we never had any signatures or deposits when being discussed. Once everything was explained and hashed out we then agreed to the terms and then signed the agreement. I hate to see any type of issue arise to one of my customers but I suggested what to do and if the customer doesn't agree at the time then my hands are tied and I am unable to do that specific work per the homeowner. I take customer satisfaction and complaints very seriously. If I am at fault I am willing to spend more money to make it right. In this case I did everything I could and suggested what could be done but the homeowner ultimately has the final decision. At the end of the day if Chad really thought that I did not complete the work as agreed upon why would he of paid the final balance? But now 2 years later he states that it wasn't done to the terms agreed upon. That just doesn't add up to me. In wrapping up I told Chad recently I would be more than happy to run the job at the cost of what I gave him. When he called me back out he even asked what the cost would be to run that metal job for the entire dormer. So he knew there was going to be an additional cost. He then called again after I gave him the price and asked if I could help him out at all with the price. I decided that I was able to do that and knocked more money off the original quote but he now feels I should do the work for free.
Is he a guy who does construction work? Typically, the bankrupt entity is still indemnified under a CGL policy which can pay claims separate and apart from the assets controlled under bankruptcy. Either way, I think you have a claim and acceptance of payment isn't a defense when there's a warranty. I don't know where you are, but most states have an implied warranty of inhabitability/merchantability. Now, your damages may be low, but I think you're in the right. Also explore your state's contractor's board. Many have a trust fund available for this type of stuff.
Just to clarify, there are 2 contractors here. roof guy #1 put a shitty roof on and then filed bankruptcy like 4 years ago. Roof guy #2 put a good roof on, but didn't do the windows. He is the one I'm currently talking to.
Oh man I really hate this guy. "Sure, I didn't do what was in the contract, but why would this guy who isn't experienced with this issue have paid me if I didn't complete the job?" Also, Get a second opinion
His argument really blows a hole in the entire concept of fraud. Hey, they paid, that's proof that it was done right, case closed.
Looks like we're about to buy another home. I love the interior but don't like siding. It's definitely higher end siding, but I told myself I'd get a brick home this go round. Fiancé just loves this house. Thoughts? Anybody ever do brick veneer on a home at any point?
I can't add much to the conversation other than when a tree fell on my house the immediate damage was obvious, but there were trusses much further down where random Chords or Webbs are cracked/broken.
Rates have been falling since a little after the election. Had he option to lock in at 4.125 or lock in at closing in ~4-6 weeks. I have until tomorrow to decide. Any strong opinions one way or another? Feds in line for another June rate hike...the last couple have not necessarily meant a jump in mortgage rates.
Well I'm torn. I've posted on here about possibly moving because of my parents moving in and needing a bigger a place. Well 2 houses down the street with very similar floor plans just got listed for $460,000. They have a pool which mine doesn't but I have a better floor plan and better lot. We bought ours for $350,000 about a year and half ago. I feel like the signs are steering me towards looking at a new place.
closed on a home like a bitch over lunch today. when you have a down payment they let you do it. was expecting like an hour of signatures. in and out in like 35 minutes. off to Austin tomorrow and then the fun begins next Tuesday
I'm not a good barometer on this issue right now, so you can probably ignore me. I just dropped $30k on new Hardiplank siding for my house to replace shitty vinyl that had been recalled (but I bought the house after the class action closed).
first order of business - taking out granite tile countertop, putting in white quartz countertop. refinishing cabinets grey pulling out tile in sunroom, half bath, full bath and replacing w/ better materials new roof
Yea the siding on this house isn't even the normal plank look all over. It's like a multicolored small plank look. Idk man.
You named about 12 orders of business there but I feel you. painting those cabinets will really improve the look of that kitchen. The house we're buying has concrete counter tops and I love them. I really enjoy the modern, rustic stuff.