How did Texas’ college football teams become irrelevant?

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  1. Truman

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    BY JIMMY BURCH

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    The permanent smudge on the Lone Star State’s collective record for this college football season became a reality Tuesday when none of Texas’ schools cracked the Associated Press’ postseason poll.

    That’s not a misprint. For the first time in 49 years, all 12 of the FBS programs from the state that produces more college football talent than any place in America were omitted from the final Top 25 rankings.

    Even worse: There’s no way to mount a case that any of our schools were cheated at the ballot box. Houston (9-4), a 34-10 loser to San Diego State in the Las Vegas Bowl, emerged as the lone team from the Lone Star State to receive any votes from the AP panel in a season that concluded with Texas’ major-college teams combining for a 65-85 record and a 1-5 mark in bowl games.

    Had the poll extended far enough, Houston would have tied for No. 37 among the 42 teams that received votes. At least the Cougars turned a few voters’ heads, which was not the case for Power 5 programs at Texas (5-7), Texas A&M (8-5), Texas Tech (5-7), TCU (6-7) or Baylor (7-6).

    Among the state’s 12 FBS teams, nine posted losing records. The low-water mark belonged to Texas State (2-10).

    Again, that’s not a misprint. Until Tuesday, Texas teams had not been shut out of the final poll since the 1967 season, when the rankings included only a Top 10. Since the advent of the AP poll in 1936, Tuesday marked the first time that no Texas teams finished among the top 25 vote-getters in the final poll of the season.

    This happened in a football-loving state filled with elite high school prospects that is home to more major-college programs (12) than any state in the U.S. In other words: the near-impossible just became reality.

    I THINK SOME OF THE BETTER PLAYERS HAVE LEFT THE STATE IN THE LAST THREE TO FOUR YEARS. WE’VE GOT TO DO A BETTER JOB KEEPING GUYS AT HOME. WE’VE GOT GREAT SKILL HERE BUT NOT AS MANY BIG BODIES AS WHAT WE USED TO HAVE.TCU football coach Gary Patterson

    We’ll address reasons and potential corrective measures momentarily. But first, one last sobering fact: more schools from basketball-crazed Kentucky (No. 24 Louisville, Western Kentucky) received votes in Tuesday’s postseason poll than schools from Texas.

    One of the myriad reasons offered as an explanation for Tuesday’s predicament is the proliferation of spread offenses among Texas high schools. Theoretically, this leads to more 7-on-7 focus during the off-season and, subsequently, to smaller bodies and less-physical tacklers heading to college.

    49Years since the last time all of Texas’ college football teams were shut out of the AP’s final poll, which happened Tuesday. But the final poll in 1967 included only a Top 10. Texas’ teams were omitted from the Top 25 this season.

    Among the many flaws in that logic: Clemson, the freshly crowned national champion, runs a spread offense. Alabama, the national runner-up, featured 10 Texans on this year’s roster, including quarterback Jalen Hurts (Channelview), the son of a Texas high school coach. We are only two seasons removed from having two Texas teams that run spread offenses (TCU, Baylor) finish among the CFP’s top six contenders for the 2014 playoff bracket.

    Don’t blame a drop-off in the talent pipeline. No college coach, publicly or privately, will besmirch the quality of Texas’ blue-chip prospects. Nor should they. But other factors are in play.

    During a recent interview, TCU football coach Gary Patterson identified two issues that command attention from the state’s college coaches.









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    “I think some of the better players have left the state in the last three to four years,” Patterson said. “We’ve got to do a better job keeping guys at home. We’ve got great skill here but not as many big bodies as what we used to have.”

    A drop-off in big-bodied linemen could be a byproduct of the trend toward spread offenses in Texas’ high schools. Yet the most coveted lineman in the 2017 NFL Draft is Texas A&M defensive end Myles Garrett, an Arlington Martin graduate. Clearly, quality still exists locally.

    That is why Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops, who leans heavily on Texas high school talent while building his teams, considers it “an aberration” that college teams from the Lone Star State failed to crack this year’s Top 25.

    “It’s just unusual it happened here, this one year,” Stoops said. “There’s always great players here.”

    And, typically, enough of them stay at local schools to keep at least one Texas team viable on the national landscape each season. It happened every season from 1936 through 2015. But not in 2016, the season of the stunning shutout in the postseason poll.

    0Texans among the nation’s top 100 players, per Rivals, committed to in-state teams. There are 11 prospects from Texas’ high schools listed among the nation’s Top 100 players.

    The concern going forward is letting a one-year blip turn into a dangerous trend. Texas’ college football recruiters have until Feb. 1, National Signing Day, to stem a potentially ominous situation. As of Tuesday, zero of the 11 Texans listed among the nation’s top 100 prospects by Rivals had committed to in-state schools. Instead, the nine pledges went to Ohio State (three), Oklahoma (two), LSU, Notre Dame, Stanford and Arizona State. Two others remain uncommitted.

    The top-rated player pledged to a local school is Austin Westlake quarterback Sam Ehlinger (No. 107), a Texas commitment. Tuesday’s poll shutout ups the challenge for every recruiter with a Texas address.

    Jimmy Burch: 817-390-7760, @Jimmy_Burch

    TOP 25

    The Top 25 teams in The Associated Press college football poll, with first-place votes in parentheses, final records, total points based on 25 points for a first-place vote through one point for a 25th-place vote, and previous ranking.

    Record

    Pts

    Pvs

    1. Clemson (60)

    14-1

    1,500

    3

    2. Alabama

    14-1

    1,440

    1

    3. Southern Cal

    10-3

    1,292

    9

    4. Washington

    12-2

    1,277

    4

    5. Oklahoma

    11-2

    1,252

    7

    6. Ohio St.

    11-2

    1,240

    2

    7. Penn St.

    11-3

    1,130

    5

    8. Florida St.

    10-3

    1,105

    10

    9. Wisconsin

    11-3

    1,032

    8

    10. Michigan

    10-3

    1,001

    6

    11. Oklahoma St.

    10-3

    920

    13

    12. Stanford

    10-3

    730

    16

    13. LSU

    8-4

    651

    19

    14. Florida

    9-4

    640

    20

    15. W. Michigan

    13-1

    619

    12

    16. Virginia Tech

    10-4

    610

    18

    17. Colorado

    10-4

    585

    11

    18. West Virginia

    10-3

    368

    14

    19. South Florida

    11-2

    358

    25

    20. Miami

    9-4

    338

    -

    21. Louisville

    9-4

    277

    15

    22. Tennessee

    9-4

    253

    -

    23. Utah

    9-4

    222

    -

    24. Auburn

    8-5

    206

    17

    25. San Diego St.

    11-3

    113

    -

    Others receiving votes: Kansas St. 83, Georgia Tech 47, Nebraska 38, W. Kentucky 32, Air Force 30, Pittsburgh 21, Boise St. 19, Iowa 14, Minnesota 12, Tulsa 10, BYU 9, Temple 8, Houston 8, North Carolina 8, Navy 1, Washington St. 1.

    How Star-Telegram staff writer Jimmy Burch voted: 1. Clemson, 2. Alabama, 3. Washington, 4. Ohio State, 5. Oklahoma, 6. Wisconsin, 7. Southern California, 8. Florida State, 9. Penn State, 10. Michigan, 11. Oklahoma State, 12. Stanford, 13. Virginia Tech, 14. Florida, 15. LSU, 16. Western Michigan, 17. Miami, 18. San Diego State, 19. West Virginia, 20. South Florida, 21. Louisville, 22. Colorado, 23. Kansas State, 24. Tennessee, 25. Air Force.


    Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/football/article125690344.html#storylink=cpy
     
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  3. dahldennsull

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    1. Non-Texas schools taking the recruits

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    Even OU who is having success is finding defensive and OL recruits from states other than Texas. 7 on 7 is ruining the trenches and defense.
     
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  5. Don Brodka

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    Maybe Texas has an over inflated sense of how good their HS talent actually is.
     
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  6. IrishLAX2

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    As with all major college football trends, follow the coaching. They've had shitty head coaches lately.
     
  7. Mitch Cumstein

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    Texas is more worried about saying how big things are in texas than actually getting good. That's why. end of the thread.
     
  8. zachary

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    cant wait to bump this next year when texas wins the natty
     
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  9. * J Y *

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  10. HatterasJack

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    Checks out...they have the same over inflated sense of their college football history
     
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  11. EdmondDantes

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    gave you a like due to the Jim Harbaugh tier copy/paste game.
     
  12. devine

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  13. TDCD

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    based on what
     
  14. Don Brodka

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    Their G5 and FCS teams solely recruiting in Texas.
     
  15. dump

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    the talent is good still but its all at offensive skill positions mostly and the good ones that actually end up on defense go OOS
     
  16. leroi

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    Texas has 5 schools in the "Power 5 conferences". Add Georgia and Florida together, and you get 5 schools as well.

    However, Georgia and Florida together produce 45% more FCS/FBS-level talent than the state of Texas*. (And similarly, the recruit production per school for smaller southern SEC states like Mississippi, South Carolina, Louisiana, etc., is higher than Texas.)

    Furthermore, the state of Texas is a high priority for nearly every school west of the Mississippi. Schools that are well outside of that region, like Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, etc., rely very heavily on Texas for recruiting. FL and GA see their share of schools outside the region, sure, but nowhere near like you see in Texas.


    * - Based on my proprietary analysis of ~25,000 players from over the last ~10 years.
     
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  17. lechnerd

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    I guess Jimmy Burch missed our victory over New Mexico St this year.
     
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    If they all didn't have to play cat every year this wouldn't happen.
     
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    How many are IMG kids?
     
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    Not like 24/7 doesn't bump kids committed to certain programs over others ...
     
  22. HatterasJack

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    That's a good point, hadn't looked at that. 5 of those in the first 15.
     
  23. Don Brodka

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    Little hard to do that with their composite ranking though, unless every service is doing it.
     
  24. Don Brodka

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    That will certainly skew it a bit, as well as kids going to Alabama.
     
  25. * J Y *

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    In 2016, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and Baylor all had sub par coaching staffs.

    TCU has an excellent coaching staff that was in a rebuilding year.
     
  26. HatterasJack

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    Yeah, ya'll need to get Weinke back there.
     
  27. Don Brodka

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    That would be an improvement over some jackass from B1G country.
     
  28. jokewood

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    I blame insufficient investment in high school football facilities.
     
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