Be honest though. Would you feel comfortable giving Cousins a Stafford level deal this offseason? I wouldn't.
I don't think we compete for a super bowl with Cousins but not sure I want to go through another period of being slightly better than the Browns which is what we were for awhile. Do have a pretty young team though and our really good players are all in their 20s and most of them are contracted for a while. Imagine we can survive a transition without being a complete disaster.
This is by far the youngest Redskins team we have had in awhile and that is why I 100% agree with you about the transition. Out of all the QB's coming out this year who do you like the best or think has the most pro potential?
No clue, Rosen, Jackson, Allen, and Darnold were ass yesterday though. Not a good day for teams wanting a quarterback.
I don't either. I like Rosen as a prospect, and I am somewhat underwhelmed with Darnold (I get a sense he's another overhyped USC QB like Leinhart, Barkley), Jackson is NOT an NFL QB, sorry.
Give Cousins his money (which as Gunners said, he's played masterfully) or take the risk? The risk has 2 landing sports. Finding the next franchise QB or wondering in the QB-less NFL forest for the next 20 years like we have before Kirk. Those are the options. Don't get mad at Kirk for the money stuff. Had this front office just gave him top 5ish money two years ago he'd be locked up and no where near the highest paid QB with all the Carr, Stafford, ect. money. Kirk bet on himself and won. Now the front office has to deal with it. I'll never get mad at a player for playing the market.
I don't know what the right answer is btw. Personally I wish we would have made him a nice offer 2 year ago to put him in that top 5 money range. Kirk leaves a lot to be desired but he at least gives us a chance. But that time has passed and his price now is through the roof. He sure a shit beats the Pat Ramsey/John Beck/Tony Banks/I could go on years.
I'm just annoyed he wouldn't even fucking negotiate. He's not going to sign with us so we are going to get completely fucked. Chiefs are rumored to take trade offers for Alex Smith.
Oh I'm annoyed too but Bruce and Co. backed him into a corner. They made an offer in May. Kirk and his agent wanted to negotiate and said no. Front office tells him not to worry, we'll work on it and come back in July before the franchise tag. They offered him, to the dollar, the exact same contact as they did 2 months prior. I'd tell them to piss off too. It sucks but it's our reality. He'll sign here if they add on to Stafford's deal but is that something we want to tie ourselves to? We could have saved millions and got Kirk on the cheap after 2015 (compared to the Carr/Stafford and the upcoming Ryan/Rodgers deals).
I know we have a shit ton of cap space, but SF does too. He'll play us off them to get their deal as high as possible and we'll be stuck holding our dicks and we'll be at pick 14 or so after an uninspiring 8-8 season with the option of taking no QB or give up 2 drafts to move up.
I find the cult of personality from lifelong Skins like Santana Moss, Chris Cooley, etc. to be a little weird but does RGIII really expect us to believe everyone but him is lying? Dude is touched in the head.
Everything Moss said rings true to me. RG3 is still in a fantasy land where he was somehow hard done by rather than just not good.
After thinking about it, I think the best move for the Redskins would be to tag and trade Cousins in the Spring and draft the next guy. Regardless of fault, they've had a lot of issues with getting him in on the long term. He has enough time to earn one more long-term deal after his upcoming deal and I don't think it's in the Redskins best interest to go through with this again a few years later. Alex Smith could win for them right away while they built up someone like Clayton Thorson, Luke Falk or Riley Ferguson.
Maybe, but they might be better served to trade him to the Steelers for a first and a mid-round choice when Ben retires.
Doubtful, homes. I hope we get something, but I doubt ppl will trade a lot know we're trying to dump him. SF is going to want him, but IDK about a lot of other teams. He's demanding a top salary...so teams have to give up picks plus 25mm a year
Sam Bradford fetched a one. There are teams with QB needs that can't nail one in the draft. Arians has no patience at this point to develop one. The Steelers are peak great team. The Jaguars have a playoff squad with a 0-16 QB and they keep whiffing. Buffalo hasn't had a QB since the early 90's. 49ers for obv reasons. No reason they can't get a 1. If the Eagles can get a first for Bradford, and the 49ers value wise for Alex Smith (when it was clear they were gonna dump him) than I don't see your point. Alex Smith is in his mid 30's and KC will be obviously wanting to dump him and he will at least land them a 2.
Bradford was being paid like $7mm last year and 18 this year. If we tag Curt again it's the super tag or whatever it is called it will be for 35 million. That's vastly different than trading a QB making 7 to a team that had their QB die unexpectedly in practice.
The Skins aren't going to pay him the franchise tag of 34 million. They will either get a deal done or he's going to be a FA. Teams know that. They aren't going to give up shit for a guy that will either be a FA or get a long term deal with the Skins
They are saying AJ McCarron has been getting second or third round pick offers. Cousins should get a 2 or late 1. Problem is he won't extend. Wants to be a free agent.
Which is why no teams will trade for him. Other teams aren't desperate and to give up their back up QBs. The Skins are essentially desperate to give up KC. The only way to get any worth a shit is to hopefully trade him midseason, which is highly doubtful. The Skins aren't getting shit for KC besides a 3rd round comp pick
They will transition tag him next year to knock some of that price off and maybe another team will do all the work of forming up a contract that they just have to match.
The 3rd franchise tag us a 44% increase. The transition tag is pointless bc he doesn't want to be a Redskin. It also completely negates any trade talknthat you're dreaming about. Why would teams trade when they can negotiate?
That's false. If he wanted to just get paid he would have negotiated with our shit front office. He wants to get paid and doesn't want the Redskins to pay him long term. He knows the skins are fucked and he's banking a shit ton if money in the short term.
I'm not dreaming about anything. Transition tag buys another year to draft and develop or take compensation if someone signs.
I feel like the contract is just being ignored here. It's a one year contract with a huge cap hit, with zero team option after. Who is going to trade their future for that? And why would Cousins sign an extension with a team he was forcibly traded to rather than become a free agent?
ah thought they got a third round pick. Bruce Allen said their goal is to sign him long term. If he signs elsewhere, they can match. I wonder if 49ers will try to sign or fear skins will match. Could chill the market.
The real answer to how the Skins should have dealt with this situation is: Literally anything other than what they did.
The Redskins floated him a last minute offer that only fully guaranteed what they had already intended to pay him the next 2 years anyhow. He's leveraging them to make him an absurd offer.
Yeah I think that is the highest comp pick for losing a FA. So end if the 3rd, which is obviously shit for losing a QB.
Given him a decent deal in the high teens when he was still under his rookie contract vs not giving him anything before the 2015 season.
Right. They have him a shit deal. But you claim.he just wants to get paid. If that was true, he would have countered and tried to get a real contract. He didn't. He wants to leave and be a FA. The transition tag does nothing for The skins except make the whole situation a complete fucking mess if they match an offer
Kirk Cousins has plenty of reasons to wait because the Redskins had no intention of giving him beyond x dollars for 2017, 2018 no matter what. Brees and Rodgers could push his 2019 value even higher with new deals.
Drew Brees is like 90. He's not getting another massive king term deal. He doesn't want to play for the skins. I'm sure Kansas fan is well aware of everything though
I Don't think a guy that wants out says he's open to a long-term deal with that team after the season but hey fuck what do I know from Kansas
Thanks for clearing up that "I am open to a long-term deal with the team" means "I want out immediately."