I'm just going to make this the new vaccination thread

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  1. Detlef Schrempf

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    Trying to walk people through the fact that there are no existing cells from aborted fetuses in vaccines is a futile effort. Two cell lines from voluntarily aborted fetuses in the 60’s were used to create some vaccines, literally none of the vaccines used currently have any original genetic material from those aborted fetuses. So regardless of your opinion on abortion, your vaccine has no aborted baby cells in it, and to believe so is stupid.
     
  2. Schadenfred

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  3. Jigga

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    Had a guy try and tell me this was all illegal immigrants bringing typhoid over the border and it’s all their fault.

    Asked him what about the people doing this for “religious” reasons

    “Oh that’s just a small group and not the real problem”
     
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  4. Detlef Schrempf

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    I think the biggest mistake anyone can make when discussing the topic of vaccines is making it a political discussion, it couldn’t be less political, it’s purely about public health.
     
  5. Schadenfred

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    http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/highlights/vaccines
     
  6. Detlef Schrempf

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    You’re never going to convince people their political beliefs are wrong, you’re much more likely to convince them that their life and the lives of people they love and care about are at risk without introducing politics into the equation imo.
     
  7. Schadenfred

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    Your point is pointless because there is no one here I'm trying to convince.
     
  8. The Banks

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    Public health is a political topic
     
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  9. AlternativeFactsRule

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    This. It’s all politics. You can prosecute parents for neglect if they don’t feed their kids. That’s the attitude we need to develop with respect to vaccinating them.
     
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  10. Detlef Schrempf

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    Maybe a better way to put it is that Vaccinations are not a left or right issue, they’re apolitical in that regard.

    Obviously the impacts of the lack of vaccinations can have political consequences.
     
  11. The Banks

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    Oh how I would love to see the venn diagram of conservatives/republicans/right wingers and anti-vaxxers.
     
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  12. AlternativeFactsRule

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    That’s partisanism. That’s not the same as politics. Public health matters should be nonpartisan but are most definitely political
     
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  13. Detlef Schrempf

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  15. BamaNug

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    And outside of Portland and Seattle the NW is not very liberal.

    Vancouver, WA -- where the most recent measles outbreak was -- is just as conservative as places in the South.
     
  16. Detlef Schrempf

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    There are conservative and liberal pockets everywhere in the country, but multiple studies have shown that party affiliation isn’t a good indicator of pro or anti vaccine stance.
     
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  17. Bo Pelinis

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    "The government can't tell me what to do hey Jedidiah go get the mules."

    "I heal my kids with acupuncture, essential oils, and tree bark."

    These both happen. Anti-government and anti-western medicine are both a thing.
     
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  18. Bo Pelinis

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    Whoever recommended that Behind the Bastards pod on Andrew Wakefield, good job. Good stuff and listening to Andrew Wakefield talk to Alex Jones almost made me spontaneously combust.
     
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  20. Bankz

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    At what point do people really start shedding a light on Robert Kennedy and his millions being pumped into the Anti Vac narrative.

    He’s done more to influence the uninformed to not vaccinate kids than any other person. And his influence goes across both political parties because idiots are everywhere
     
  21. NP13

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    I guess chickenpox has worse effects in adults? Hospitalization seems extreme for that.
     
  22. Nandor the Relentless

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    Chicken pox can be deadly if someone has a weakened immune system. It seems to be worse in adults than children.
     
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  23. Mister Me Too

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    ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ CHICKENPOX TAKE MY ENERGY
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  24. Can I Spliff it

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  25. THE GUBBS

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    best get your ass out of the trump thred into the real democrate thred if you are a real democrate ?
    to think you knew how divided both of you and facts rule knew the republican party was chooseing anone but trump and your guidance got us what ?
    a loss and for 3 years with your opinions we have been losrs .
    well I,m not going to lose .
    only people who cater to pig dick suckers lose .
    are you a democrate or pig dick sucker ?
    we gave that bastard 4 years to balance the budject and he fucking around with a north Korean fuck .
    who cares ?
    j
    huh ?
    welp that is exactly why you lost .
    not me .
     
  26. Can I Spliff it

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    Just listened to these. My word it was disturbing.
     
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  28. Bo Pelinis

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    I knew he was a shithead and had falsified his study but the extent to which he went to attempt to make money off his falsified study and the subsequent public health fallout puts him high up on the deserves to be publicly flogged scale.
     
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  29. Baseballman86

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    My wife took our son to our favorite coffee shop this morning, and somehow the girl behind the counter (who we’ve always liked) got on a rant about vaccines and how she’s antivax and how dangerous they are, etc.

    Bums me out bc I don’t even want to go back now. The girl has no college experience, home schools both kids, makes homemade baby food, kids have all sorts of ailments anyways, etc etc. She’s the prototypical “too dumb to know how dumb she is” type. Arguing will be pointless.
     
  30. pperc15

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    Tell her that coffee is worse for you than vaccines and explain why. But do it by pretending you are also anti-vax and believe coffee is even worse and explain why. See if she quits her job. Then go back to coffee shop idiot free. You're welcome.
     
  31. bro

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    How the hell does that start
     
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  32. SP1

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    Your wife should have called her a shit-eating moron and asked to speak to the manager.
     
  33. Baseballman86

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    Her kid was sick or something and the doc wanted to put him on an antibiotic, and she just ramped it up to 11 from there. Poor kid
     
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  34. Baseballman86

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    She politely told her “agree to disagree” and let her know we feel strongly on the exact opposite end of the spectrum. Should be interesting next time we go back.
     
  35. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    People suck so much, it'd be hard for me to go back too. Hardcore right wing Trump assholes and people fully committed to anti-vax/homeopathy are people I have no interest in dealing with.
     
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  36. RonBurgundy

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    “Actually vaccines have been proven effective and safe from researchers, scientists, doctors and governments from across the globe. There have been hundreds of studies done by researchers around the globe from universities, governments and independent organizations that have never shown any problems with vaccine safety, except for a single study that was proven to be fabricated by a man who lost his medical license for fraud. Vaccines protect not only your children from preventable diseases but also mine and others around the globe. Aside from basic sanitation, vaccines have saved more lives than any other invention in human history. Please vaccinate your children and stopping spread false, untrue and disproven conspiracy theories.

    Have a nice day.”


    At least when she blows you off and ignores you, you can feel better knowing you did your part to stop misinformation.

    Publically confronting people and speaking truth is the only tools we have.
     
  37. Baseballman86

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    -“But did you know there are toxins in these vaccines?”
    -“Oh lord here we go”
    -“They use formaldehyde which is for preserving dead bodies”
    -“There is 70x more of that already present in a newborn’s body than in a vaccine dose but please continue”
    -“But ALUMINUM”
    “It’s the 3rd most common element on earth and trace amounts are in everything. He’ll get more from 6 mos of breastfeeding than from vaccines”
    -“BUT MERCURY!!”
    -“They removed it from everything but the flu vaccine like 20 years ago”
    -“well whatever, vaccines cause SIDS and you just need to WAKE UP”
    (I proceed to burn coffee shop to the ground)
     
  38. pperc15

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    Trolling her is your only option. Coffee is evil and must be stopped.
     
  39. AlternativeFactsRule

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    Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.

    Let’s all just calm down a second. Things are getting a little out of hand and people are saying things that are hurtful.
     
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    i've gotten alot of compliments on the "Got Polio?" shirt
     
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  41. Emma

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    anti vax parents

    took their kid to a naturopathic dr

    Naturopathic suspected meningitis and suggested ER

    parents refuse ER, Naturpathic dr calls police
     
  42. Baseballman86

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    Coffeeshop Crystal’s head will explode when I tell her about all those mycotoxins in the coffee she drinks 4x a day.
     
  43. Larry Sura

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    That’s the smartest naturopath doctor out there.
     
  44. Detlef Schrempf

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  48. Bankz

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    I feel like not getting into conversations with those who are anti vaccine isn’t the route to take... I feel like it’s dangerous and irresponsible for me to let a view point like that go unchecked. When I’ve had these conversations I’ve had luck telling people to google doctors and even look up medical reports. Shit I’ve even suggested some podcast. I find it makes them at worst more open to even thinking they may be wrong.