We officially need a full on outbreak of something. Like a stock market correction, but for polio. If the outbreak could solely target anti-vax parents and leave the kids out of it that'd be great.
I mean there have been measles and whooping cough outbreaks because the vaccination rate has dropped. I'm team turn California into an anti-vaxxer colony.
There have been more than a couple kids who got like mumps and are sterile now, and I'm sure a lot of underreported lasting damage to sick babies or not death
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/michigan-...-jail-time-134906676--abc-news-parenting.html My favorite quote is "God forbid if he were to be injured by a vaccine, I would have to take care of him." How the irony of that statement could get past anybody is beyond me. "My house is on fire but I'm worried this hose may drown me" "I want to be safe, but I'm just worried that car seat may leave a bruise on my child in an accident."
the flu shot comparisons are pretty ridiculous. I don't get one because I'm lazy, not because I believe it's going to make me autistic.
Yeah, how dare we compare not getting a vaccine to not getting a vaccine in the vaccine thread! FYI - not getting a flu shot because you’re lazy makes you an asshole, but it’s not the end of the world (except for all those people who die from the flu). Not getting a flu shot because you think it’s bullshit, or because big pharma is pulling one over on the public, or because you think it does more harm than good makes you a dipshit.
I don’t think you’re a monster or anything. I think it’s fair to call you an asshole, though. I don’t think you’re personally responsible for the deaths of anybody, but I do think that many people could be saved if everybody who could get a flu shot got one.
Data shows about 30 adults need to be vaccinated to prevent one case of the flu. Not the best numbers and not great pharmacoeconomics, but yes everyone should get one to prevent spread and morbidity.
In a good year, bad years closer to 100. Also NNT of 30 is fantastic even if it doesn't sound great to non-Physicians. We recommend aspirin for prevention of heart attacks over age 50 with a NNT between 44-67.
Generic aspirin vs branded flu shot ... Somewhat different calculus and heart attack mortality/morbidity outstripping flu by quite a lot. Australia is having a "bad year" which doesn't bode well for the 2017 season.
Just ran into a lady at the park who swears her sons Autism was due to a vaccine he got at a few days old. Her son was about 8 years old and could not speak and seemed to be on the heavier side of the autism scale. I tried to be polite and listen but her reasoning was suspect at best. I know how it is to be a parent in search of answers and when they don't come I think it's easy to latch onto bad reasoning. It was a difficult half hour and I never could muster the courage to tell her I thought she was barking up the wrong tree. Point being I understand how people searching for answers could go down this rabbit hole.
She would have likely told you that you need to do more research if you had confronted her. She needs an answer to make the world seem less cruel and unfair. It’s almost impossible to that away from someone once they get there.
I used to not get flu shots because I'm lazy but now that my company does them, I'd have to be a real POS not to get one.
This bitch gets to be on GMA today. All that does is lend her and the batshit crazies like her a voice of legitimacy. No one should care about her side of the story- only that she, through her own willful ignorance, put her son’s health and the health of the general public at unnecessary risk
it's so irresponsible. Gives her and the anti-vax movement a chance to play the persecution card and with the way this country believes anything they see on TV + loves having persecution complexes this could literally put thousands of people's health directly at risk.
This post in the comments section slayed me: LasseFischer via Android682 pts8 days I am very conflicted about this issue. On one hand I enjoy the thought of children being sick on the other i enjoy stabbing children.
http://www.wdam.com/story/36697330/...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer Spoiler (WIS) - A Colorado startup is creating clothing and jewelry to bring awareness about diseases - but a new item about vaccines is creating a stir. CureGear is pegged as "Clothing for a cure!" and creator Jessie Frenkel, 26, calls it "a science-inspired clothing brand." Their Facebook page describes their brand as "dedicated to promoting a healthy lifestyle while supporting medical research" with a portion of the sales going to research. "We thought it would be a great way for women scientists to show off their love for their work since it can be hard to communicate science to the non-science community," Frenkel said via email. "PLUS, we thought this might be a great way to show young girls how ‘cool’ science is since so few girls are interested in pursuing it due to the negative stigma." The online store sells jewelry and leggings and was recently a crowd source-funded product on Kickstarter and social media. Frenkel is a graduate student in the Department of Microbiology, Immunology, and Pathology at Colorado State University in Fort Collins, CO. But an item posted on Oct. 17 has upset many in the anti-vaccination community. A baseball-style T-shirt that reads: "Vaccines cause adults" is featured on the post that says "Help educate others and advocate for vaccinations with your 'Vaccines cause adults' baseball Tee!" CureGear The post riled up many anti-vaxxers, who filled the comments with links and content to combat the vaccination advocacy. Frenkel, when asked about the response the T-shirt, in particular, has received, she said "would advise against" reading the comments. One comment says " ...with lifelong dependency on the pharmaceutical industry for their brain swelling, autoimmune issues, inflammation, and chronic illness. 'Cure' Gear? You don't want cures - you want customers," one commenter wrote. Despite the response on either side, Frenkel is reminded of what motivates her. "I remember one of my professors telling me that as scientists it is our duty to educate others about what we know," Frenkel said, "and so many people have done a great job doing that!" The anti-vaccination community is strong in the United States, with many parents refusing to take part in the practice. The History of Vaccinations website says plainly, "Although the time periods have changed, the emotions and deep-rooted beliefs—whether philosophical, political, or spiritual—that underlie vaccine opposition have remained relatively consistent since Edward Jenner introduced vaccination." The Centers for Disease Control has a list of immunization schedules for children. Vaccinations are up to each parent or guardian and should be discussed with your or your child's doctor. Despite the controversy, the She said CureGear's original Kickstarter goal was $8,000 and they finished up at $11,442. And as she packs up T-shirts to be shipped to various parts of the country, Frenkel says the original leggings are going to be manufactured and sent to their Kickstarter backers. She says CureGear will continue to base their work on research and make more items. "We would love to come up with more items!" Frenkel said. "Also, if there is anyone out there who would like to see their images on leggings or collaborate on a special legging we are open to that as well." If you'd like to learn more about CureGear and how you can purchase the items, click here.
This is making the rounds on FB now. Terrible flu outbreak this year, and we’ve got idiots actively campaigning AGAINST the flu shot because they don’t comprehend basic science. I just don’t get it.
http://www.bodyforwife.com/debunking-mercolas-flu-shot-fear-mongering-bullshit/ This guy does a good job of taking down 100% of those points.
Math just completely escapes these people. People saying the shot is only 10% effective this year so what’s the point? Well, just that 10% can prevent like 15K hospitalizations and nearly 1,000 deaths. I’d say that’s worth it. The same idiots that don’t think that’s worth it want to be afraid of formaldehyde, but ignore that a pear has like 2000x more formaldehyde than the flu shot.
Yeah I never get the flu shot. Every other year I get it and tough it out. This year I got suck for over 2 weeks so yeah I think I'm getting next flu season.
Just had somebody post a “flu shot truther” vid from some Univerty of Phoenix MD or another. The comments are quite thought provoking. For instance, hard to find fault with Manny Vega’s take here.
dumb people like to make uneducated “logical” statements about the natural history of a disease as if there weren’t entire textbooks of information about the natural history of said disease.
This year is the 100th anniversary of Spanish Flu pandemic. It only just killed 3-5% of the world's population.
Not enough essential oils and vitamin C tablets to go around back then. They just never had a chance to heal themselves naturally
I was on a smoke break Friday and two women who work downstairs were out there talking about how they refuse to vaccinate their kids because of all the dangers of vaccines.
10% is bogus (for the US anyway). That was the percentage in Australia for this past flu season. We won't have a percentage of effectiveness until our flu season is over. I understand it will be much higher than 10%. Also, rest of your post is completely accurate even if the 10% was true.
I just don’t understand the backlash against it. I get if you’re relatively healthy and just decide to risk it and go without, but to actively campaign against it? Makes no sense to me. Shit is literally free at CVS this year. If it gives me a 1% reduction in odds to get the flu and feel like death for 3-5 days, I’ll take it for $0.