James Franklin (2016 to present): 39-10 (0.795) 1 B1G championship Jim Harbaugh (2016 to present): 35-13 (0.729) 0 B1G championships And one of these coaches can win out this season and play for a B1G championship, the other needs help. Wonder which one is which?
Doesn’t change the fact Franklin is overrated and struggles just as much against the top teams in the conference and Top 10 opponents like Harbaugh sorry you can’t see that
Has Jim beaten Ohio State? Or won a B1G championship? Or beat a team that finished in the top 10 at Michigan? I’ll hang up and listen
2 things can be true at once. Jim is a potato and not we hoped he'd be here at UM and has utterly failed to change the OSU situation or show up in big away games. And Franklin can also be a trash can prone to hilarious coaching gaffs and also has issues winning big games. He does have a championship, backed into or otherwise, he does have one so kudos to him.
PSU is kind of weird in the B1G compared to other schools because it doesn't have a rival people recognize. UM losing to OSU is different than PSU losing to OSU because no one nationally considers it a huge rivalry game, so Harbaugh takes more shit when it happens than Franklin does. Same with MSU. I think Harbaugh and Franklin are basically the same in terms of their tenures. Only real difference is that Franklin's shitty loss in 16 was in non-conference to Pitt while UM's was at Iowa, so Franklin has a B1G title to this credit. Some would say that's a huge difference, and that's fine. Franklin also plays the game with the media much better than Harbaugh, which helps his case when they struggle.
I think that’s completely fair. There’s 40+ coaches I’d rather have on game day than Franklin. Time management and offensive game plans are awful at times. But off the field, there’s maybe a handful of coaches I’d rather have. Dude is elite at recruiting and developing. A lot of people said Moorhead saved Franklins career, but the more this season plays out, was it Moorhead himself or was it Franklin finding Saquon/Trace/Godwin/Sanders and the rest of that talent? I think that’s the common theme of the Franklin and Harbaugh era is offensive staffs and philosophies. I hope if we lose another 1-2 this year, we can make the proper adjustments. But Franklin seems to love Rahne
Right. But you’re making fun of us losing to a 10-3 Kentucky team when you lost to a 6-7 Purdue team? What am I missing here?
I would rather have James Franklin coaching my favorite college football team than Jim Harbaugh. Also we don’t pay nearly as much for Franklin and have had better results. Franklin has plenty of his own faults and sucks as an in game coach but has shown he is great at hiring quality coordinators and handing the reigns over, which is more than Harbaugh can say.
Since becoming HC in 2014 at a P5 school: 11-16 versus ranked teams (ranked at time of game, which is flawed but speaks to the nature of a "big game.") 1-4 in bowl games, including 0-4 in bowl games to P5 teams. His only victory was against Southern Miss in 2015. 2-4 record versus primary rival, 5-0 versus secondary rival; Beating up the secondary rival accounts for four of the 11 ranked victories alone. 9-15 in games decided by a TD or less; 3-6 in games decided by four points or less (my best summary of things... maybe not 100% accurate,) Five losses to unranked teams (and counting?) since the start of the 2017 season. Only P5 wins outside of the conference have been against Rutgers and Illinois. This coach is universally considered the best coach in the conference and one of the best in the country. Yet IMO he's the most overrated in the country now that Harbaugh is "properly" rated. Who is he?
We almost hired Peterson after O’Brien. He allegedly visited SC and was checking out the hospital for his child but backed out and we hired Franklin. I wonder where we would be with Peterson instead.
"Since becoming HC in 2014 at a P5 school." so just since he took over at Washington. but this is year 5 for him at UW and at best they're going 8-4 with a shit bowl game (and that's with zero P5 ooc games). he racked up wins with USC and Oregon both going through coaching transitions (as well as OSU, ASU, Colorado, UCLA, Cal, Arizona... and pretty much everyone else in the conference) but we'll see what happens when they're more stable. he's obviously not a bad coach, i just think it's fair to evaluate him and question whether he's living off of his boise reputation.
Some shit you've said makes sense, some is you just being a homer You're clearly pissed and just want to vent. It happens, I've been there many times.
Serious question since I don’t follow the PAC 12 that closely In his 6th season and won 10+ 3 times...is he just beating up on the scrubs of the conference?
I’m disappointed in what happened today but in general I’m quite happy with where we are at. If I was pissed I’d be ripping JF, not defending him
You were just saying like 3 weeks ago how Ryan Day was better than Urban Meyer. Spare us the homer talk.
There hasn't been a great team in the conference to challenge them the last few years. Oregon has had three coaches in four years. USC has had a couple of coaches during the tenure and Helton has been dead man walking for two years now. Shaw at Stanford has stagnated and ASU, Cal, and any other program that could maybe threaten has also undergone coaching changes recently. So he wins most games against inferior teams and dominates Washington State (they have great defenses and also benefit from playing the rivalry game at the end of the year, where the weather affects Leach's offense). Throw in easy OOC schedules (only beating Rutgers and Illinois OOC) and you get a lot of wins. As a result, though, Peterson doesn't have a signature win at Washington in his five-year tenure. He has Apple Cup wins and Pac-12 title wins but those led to bowl losses.
We've reached the point where I'm curious how many coaches there are that are considered good? Are there 5? Putting Harbaugh aside, if I'm supposed to believe that Franklin and Peterson are overrated, there's no way there are 10 coaches who would reach that level of approval. And I'm not really a Franklin fan.
i'm not saying petersen is a bad coach or anything. i do think his success at boise and the upset of oklahoma have helped his reputation immensely because his success (or relative lack thereof) at UW has not matched his elite coaching reputation. i'm not certain petersen is that much (or any) better than wittingham, cristobal, shaw, leach, or chip* in his own conference as far as building a program and running a team. *i'm still a believer. i'll give it one more year. i expect utah to crush them but i think they can win vs usc and cal.
And the reason this thread exists is because Harbaugh was framed by the media and many Michigan fans (not necessarily on this board) as a great coach
Sure. And that's why I said "putting Harbaugh aside" because I think his story is different from the other two. He was hyped far more than the other two were when he got to UM, and now gets far more negative stuff said about him than the other two when he loses.
I tend to look at their salary when deciding if they’re great Harbaugh results at $7 million? No 4-5 million? Yes Just 1 example
Buh-buh-buh Bingo.Starlord.gif I get the Harbaugh shit, whatevs. But if you think other coaches with similar records/results against rivals/top 10 teams are above reproach then...lmbo
I don't get the fascination with the salaries. Harbaugh took over a program that lost to Maryland, Rutgers and Minnesota (pre-boat rowing version) and was giving away tickets to keep up the 100k+ attendance streak in 2014. The AD was responding to alums complaints by telling them to cheer for someone else. Financially, Harbaugh has been an enormous win for Michigan just by getting them back to the point where people are annoyed by 10-3 seasons.
Guessed 5 and google tells me $4.3 Still think going back to his Vandy days he’s overrated...his record vs ranked teams..woof
Guess which 3 years were the ones of Franklins tenure. It’s pretty obvious. He beat a ranked Georgia team while there Vandy football is awful. People kinda forget that
So can we point to our Football program(Harbaugh) making more money than almost everyone as a plus for Harbaugh? Caring about salaries is something I don't understand.