Is Jim Harbaugh the most overrated coach in all of football?

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  1. dump

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    thats all they have
     
  2. dump

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    no legitimate QB should sign up to be coached by Pep Hamilton
     
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  3. pez

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    A RS Frosh ( Brandon Peters) and a Freshman (Dylan McCaffrey). They don't want to play McCaffrey yet and no one knows on Peters.
     
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    Heard Sumlin is signing an extension today can you confirm?
     
  5. Mix

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    But why? What are you gaining by losing every week with a garbage QB?
     
  6. al1

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    Harbaugh is a badass. Tough division but he'll get his.
     
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  7. MG2

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    Because Harbaugh seems to believe that Peters is worse and won't even try putting him out there.
     
  8. pez

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    McCaffrey weighs about 160 soaking wet, so he'd actually might get killed behind the OL. And no one really understands why Peters doesn't play. Other than some bullshit about personality not meshing with Harbaugh , there nothing really concrete. No one wants OKorn out there.
     
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  9. IrishLAX2

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    So he’s the next Bo Schembechler?
     
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    So is he in year 10 of a power 5 coaching gig too?
     
  11. dblplay1212

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    Maybe.
     
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    yes, yes ,yes ,yes annnnnnnnnnd. . .yes
     
  13. Joe_Pesci

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    O'Korn is a great name though
     
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    O’Korn. Maize. Corn = maize. Maize and Blue. Championship.
     
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    honestly any time you can spell corn with a 'k' you've won me over. unless we're talking about the band.
     
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    you are a huge Korn fan
     
  17. Joe_Pesci

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    korn dogs, yeah
     
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    He can come to FSU if y'all don't want him tbh
     
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    i will only allow this if he starts going by Jimbo Harbaugh
     
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    deal
     
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    if they were mirror images wouldn't one of them be 5-6?
     
  24. MG2

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    At least with Finebaum I know he's trolling UM fans with his Harbaugh takes.
     
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  26. Jake Scott

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    Yes.

    And it’s pretty enjoyable.
     
  27. gritzy

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    http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/defense-jim-harbaugh

    In Defense of Jim Harbaugh - (As if the man needs defending)

    Despised SEC troll Pete Finebaum is at it again labeling Jim Harbaugh a mediocre coach. Most of what Feinbaum spews concerning Michigan football is to stir up our fanbase and draw attention to his work. In the manner in which Michigan lost yesterday, I would expect a professional to display mature tact when assessing the game but that is too much to ask of Pete. However, I believe the troll Finebaum is no different from many college football fans today including many Michigan fans and because of that perspective is needed.



    The delusionary nature of fans

    College football fans including ours have unrealistic expectations of teams and programs. Everyone wants to win and with college football resources are a plenty. No coach is going to win every game not Saban, Swinney, Meyer, Franklin, Fisher, or Harbaugh. A delusional FSU fan decided to taunt Jimbo Fisher after yesterday’s loss to Louisville. Fisher has only won nearly 80% of the games he has coached; achieved four top ten rankings; and won one national championship. Jimbo Fisher is an excellent coach whose sole downfall is that his first string all world quarterback suffered a season ending injury.

    We were delighted when Ohio State was crushed by Clemson 31-0 in the national playoff and equally delighted when the same happened to Mark Dantonio the previous year. Oh that same Clemson team beat Saban’s Alabama squad as well. No coach wins every game and even top coaches have teams which are blown out from time-to-time. We are still fans of amateur athletics! Students who have to go to class, make grades, and then find time to play football at the highest level.

    Michigan is one of many top programs. We live in a different era in two ways. First, many college football programs have top level coaches and facilities. No longer do you have a handful of major college programs that carry the bulk of the limelight and big games for college football. TCU can field a team to beat USC; Troy can beat LSU; Boise State can beat Oklahoma; Michigan State can lose to Maryland; and I can go on and on. Michigan is not a part of the “big two and little eight division” anymore.

    Second, we don’t share division titles any longer. Previously Michigan could lose two conference games and still have the opportunity to win a Big 10 championship. Michigan has 42 of them; how many are shared titles (WD probably knows)? Those days are over and Michigan not only has to win essentially every game in their division which is the toughest in college football but then play in a championship game. We will win a lot more of those titles and we will do so with Coach Harbaugh just not this year.



    Harbaugh’s debt

    I read a lot of griping about Harbaugh’s offense and how it must be simplified for the college game. No it does not. Jim Harbaugh owes we the fans nothing. He owes his athletes the opportunity to excel beyond college football. Many of those athletes come here to be coached into the next level and that includes running a pro-style offense. Coach Harbaugh will recruit a quarterback (he has two of them) that can run this offense and the offense will be efficient. Implementing an offense that diminishes a player’s opportunity to compete at the next level is not a sacrifice the Michigan program should be making. Michigan’s recruiting advantage for every position is “the opportunity” to have a greater chance of making an NFL roster.

    On the same topic, Mike McCray must stay on the field. McCray may be removed in specific situations but he is the only player with extensive experience to position the others correctly to be able to stop plays. For all of McCray’s deficiencies with his speed, the drop off for successfully defending plays would be far greater if he is off the field. He is staying put and it is in the best interest of the team. He earned his role as captain of the defense.

    Same argument could be made for the quarterback position. Don’t expect to see Peters in any game where Michigan has a chance to win this season and don’t blame Harbaugh for putting the team above us. Fans can easily sit back and say “what is the difference between 8-4 and 10-2” as we put in none of the work and all of the Monday morning quarterbacking. Peters or McCaffery will come in at the right time, when needed, and it will be for their best interest from a coaching veteran who has a long track record of developing talent. The same man who gave Jake Rudock great coaching and a possibility at a long NFL career will do the same for Speight, O'Korn, Peters, and McCaffery.

    Equally amazing to me is that we the fans post as if we are able to see a deficiency and have a magical solution that will make everything better. Of course this solution is what the coach is unable to see. Fire Drevno, Fire Pep, or Fire them all!!!! Ever ponder the consequences of such a knee jerk reaction? Brian Kelly was applauded by our fans for his coaching changes midseason but most of those same fans would be livid if our team with this talent went 4-8. Kelly’s staff is only in year one and there is no guarantees that they will have a continued high level of success. Jim Harbaugh is surrounded by coaches; all of his family members are coaches; and he is not oblivious to the issues of the team. Harbaugh is not going to fire anyone midseason nor should he.



    Harbaugh’s Accomplishments

    This is a personal pet peeve of mine. The Jim Harbaugh has “won nothing” statement as if the be all and end all is having a championship which Jim Harbaugh has those as well.

    As a college player

    Two Big Ten Championships (81,86)

    A Fiesta Bowl Championship (85)

    An unclaimed National Championship (85, Matthews, Sagarin)

    As an NFL player

    NFC Central Division Champion (Chicago Bears, 1990)

    As a recruiter

    2002 I-AA National Champion - Western Kentucky

    As an assistant

    2002 AFC Champion – Oakland Raiders – QB Coach

    As a college coach

    Two time pioneer league champion – University of San Diego (2005, 2006)

    Orange Bowl Champion – Stanford Cardinals (2010)

    As a professional coach

    Two time NFC West Champion (2011, 2012)

    NFC Champion (2012)



    Even without word “champion” next to his name, it is clear to see that Harbaugh excels at his job because of the improved level of play and winning percentage everywhere he has coached. All those big coaching names above had similar records on their way to building elite programs. Michigan is better because of Jim Harbaugh. I hope he coaches Michigan for another 15 years. I hope people will learn to endure the losses and enjoy this man as he coaches Michigan to more championships in the future.



    In short, Paul Finebaum is a douche, I would hope Michigan fans are not.
     
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  28. Joe_Pesci

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    that asshole pete finebaum
     
  29. dblplay1212

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    Finebaum wins again.
     
  30. NilesIrish

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    I still think Harbaugh is a hell of a coach but this is brutal.
     
  31. PSU12

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    Michigan fans always mention many championships are coming but they haven’t won one since 2004.
     
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    He usually does.
     
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  33. Where Eagles Dare

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    Looks like Butch is a bit better
     
  34. MG2

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    It's amazing how much he's gotten out of trolling UM fans who can't help themselves with his Harbaugh comments for 3 years now.
     
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  35. Corch

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    Give Michigan a few weeks
     
  36. yaywaffles

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    still think he's good. it's just really difficult to succeed with that style of offense. even saban moved on to a spread look. for harbaugh's offense to work optimally, he needs a big, strong-armed qb who can stretch the defense, a powerful offensive line that can create running lanes even with a consistent numbers disadvantage, a skilled back who can find lanes in heavy traffic and run through contact, and receivers that are skilled enough to consistently win one-one-one matchups on the outside and punish defenses for loading the box. at stanford, harbaugh had all but the latter, and with a prodigiously gifted qb like luck, the receivers didn't matter too much.

    spread's just easier to recruit for and execute. put o'korn in an art briles or mike leach offense and he's dinking and dunking to wide open receivers en route to a 4000 yard season. michigan's running him out there like he's troy aikman. if harbaugh actually manages to find his personnel, they'll be a nightmare to deal with just like bama was in the early saban years, but that's only gonna get harder in a high school/college football landscape increasingly based on spread concepts.
     
  37. Gregor

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    He's a pretty good coach and an upgrade over the last couple there, but it seems he gets a lot of mileage out of being eccentric. I'd say he's probably the 4th or 5th best coach in that league.
     
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  39. wes tegg

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    There’s Michigan mad, and then there’s 1,000 words on why Paul Finebaum is wrong. Wolverine State Wrecked...
     
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    Kind of cherry picking records here but why pick the last 11? Why not this season? Because Harbaugh is 5-2 and Butch is 3-4.

    Let’s compare Urban vs Harbaugh’s last 8 games, Harbaugh is 5-3 getting beaten by a total of 35 points. Meyer is 6-2 with a total beating of 46 points. Does that put Meyer in the overrated category the last 8 games? No, he’s a great coach but let’s not act like Harbaugh is a shit tier coach.
     
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  42. Bruce Wayne

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    USC, and Miami have as well. More local to the B1G but Michigan St incorporates more spread concepts with Lewerke running the show now, and Penn St has moved that direction under Franklion. Really the whole B1G has shifted that way since Urban came to town

    Also Harbaugh has to stop calling games like he’s still in the league. Playing to win games 20-17 doesn’t work in college
     
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    Just looked at the Michigan Depth Chart, holy f is this a young team

    I'll give Jim a pass on this season, its hard to predict more than 9 wins when 3/4's of your two deep are Freshmen or Sophs
     
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    im just saying you can make anything look the way you want if you’re cherry picking stats.

    Is Harbaugh on Meyers level? No way, he’s got a long ways to go. Is he a shit tier coach who should be on the hot seat? I don’t think.
     
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  48. MG2

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    Did you know that, since Jim Harbaugh's first season at Michigan in 2015, he and Urban Meyer have won the same number of B1G and national championships?

    Did you also know that the combined total of B1G and national championships won by Harbaugh and Meyer since the start of the 2015 season equals the total number of points scored by Ohio State in last season's Fiesta Bowl?
     
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