ITT we discuss interesting serial killers

I knew a ton about him because to me he’s a top three serial killer but my wife wanted to watch it. 1/3 of the way in she was done.

 

That one couple whose daughter "TOLD THEM THERE'S A FUCKING SERIAL KILLER ON THE LOOSE, PLEASE LOCK YOUR DOORS!" Mom was like "Nah. I'm from the Midwest."

 

Grew up in the San Gabriel Valley (a couple cities east of Pasadena) during the 70's and 80's. In the summers and into the fall, open windows and doors with just a screen were the norm. We locked up during the Night Stalker's spree as many of his kills were very close to home. I still vividly remember the news that the Hubbard Street heroes caught him. By next spring, we were back to open windows again.

 

I appreciated the older detective in the Night Stalker doc call Ramirez a coward. He seemed worse than most serial killers in how often he would use a gun, kill males while asleep, go after elderly women then everything he did to kids. Wish the people that subdued him in the street would have pummeled him.

 

The part that pissed me off the most was having to pull cops out of the dentist office and he shows up the NEXT DAY.

 

A lot of these true crime docs try to glamorize law enforcement, but it really doesn't make them look good.

The Night Stalker doc was trying to tell the perspective of how good those cops were that solved the case but they fumbled the dentist office lead, couldn't pull a decent clue for months, literally said they want more people to die because they have to keep hoping he screws up on the next murder, etc. On top of all that, it was the SF police who got the biggest lead, got the name Richard Ramirez (illegally, but still), made the proper decision to release his name to the public, and it was the people who found him and arrested him. I enjoyed watching the doc but it felt like a 3 hour ode to these doofuses who completely bumbled the case.

 

The ripper one (UK but still) has some really atrocious police work in it as well. They release recordings they said we're of the killer so everyone is looking for that specific accent that's in the recordings. Spoiler, it wasn't the killer in the recordings and the killer had a different accent.

 

It always amazes me how badly police botched things in some of these cases. Like Bundy for instance.

Makes you wonder. There's probably some serial killer out there that was crazy smart that we'll never even know about because we only catch the dumb ones.

 

I thought that was bizzare that they kind of presented that and moved on without ever touching on him beating a guy to get information.

 

Just finished a LPOTL podcast on Adolfo Constanzo, Mexican death magic cult leader and serial murdered. Ho - lee - shite

https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/the-work-of-the-devil/

 

Fuckkkkk. I just read that whole article. God damn that was some wild ass shit.

 

I watched a new series on the Colonial Parkway “lovers lane” murders. At least four double homicides in 3 years and they got nothing.

 

Has anyone here seen the documentary Crazy, Not Insane? Streaming on HBO.

Pretty fascinating stuff.

"The film follows the research of psychiatrist Dr. Dorothy Otnow Lewis who studied the psychology of murders. Richard Burr, Catherine Yeager, Park Dietz and Bill Hagmaier also appear in the film."

There's also a appearance at the end.

 

every time that police sketch of him gets flashed I relinquish an audible

Spoiler

 

Just watched the Serpent on Netflix about Charles Sobhraj. It’s okay but you have to pay attention since they sometimes speak French and jump timelines. Guy was one hell of a conman.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Sobhraj

 

I'm three episodes in, its pretty wild how diabolical he is and how he had everyone paid off and how protected he kept himself. I haven't decided if I really like the show yet and it gets confusing/exhausting and the acting isn't that great, but I'll probably finish it up.

In other serial killer content, new documentary about how the Son of Sam might not have acted alone coming to Netflix in early May (I saw an Unsolved Mysteries on this theory) and a John Wayne Gacy doc just went up on Peacock.

 

Berkowitz was too socially retarded to have been part of a group.

 

Kidnapping/Rape may be potentially tied to Delphi Murders.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/delphi-murders-connected-nearby-kidnapping-case-sheriff/story?id=77364836

 

I couldn't make it through the Berkowitz doc on Netflix. Turned it off towards the end of episode 2. When they went into the the satanic cult stuff they lost me. Once it turned really hard into the conspiracy theories I had to punch out.

 

I dunno:

-John Carr’s friends said he knew Berkowitz and Berkowitz visited him in North Dakota
-Carr’s friends said he was drawing the Son of Sam symbol months before it was public
-Both Carr sons mysteriously get killed shortly after Berkowitz is arrested
-A mental health professional said Carr confessed to knowing a lot more about the Son of Sam murders and thinking he was about to get murdered right before he committed suicide
-Berkowitz writing notes from jail that there are “Sons of Sam” (obviously the Carr’s dad was named Sam)
-All the references to “John Wheaties” etc when the dude’s name is literally John Wheat Carr (from the gutter, etc)
-The composite looking a lot like John Carr
-Berkowitz being spotted 5 blocks away from the Moskowitz murder 2 minutes before it happened
-Witness reports of a Yellow VW leaving one of the murders. Berkowitz drove a Ford and Carr drove a Yellow VW

Even putting aside a lot of the occult references (some of which admittedly are a stretch) that’s a lotttttt of coincidences if the Carr’s had nothing to do with this

 

I guess I need to watch it again

 

Went down a rabbit hole

 

Last Podcast on the Left did a two-parter on this guy, real good.

 

After finally finishing the full Son of Sam documentary, I think Maury was a pretty terrible mouthpiece for his theories and went too far down the rabbit hole on the occult and trying to make too many connections to Process/Manson/etc., but hard to believe after seeing all the evidence that Berkowitz completely did this on his own IMO

Also, interesting twist at the end there about the

 

This was in my area when I was a baby. Parents and everyone were scared as hell til he was caught

 

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/27/the-serial-killer-detector

Story about a journalist who wrote an algorithm to identify serial killers.

http://www.murderdata.org/?m=1

 

That seems like a lot of serial killers at large. Really interested to read this in it's entirety.

 

I don’t think this has been posted before but either way how does no one talk about this lady?

https://allthatsinteresting.com/shelly-knotek

 

I know you never overhand right a broad, but.......

 

It seems high, but I also wonder if you get a combination of things.
A) ones in captivity we don’t realize are serial killers
B) the ones with 2-3 victims and still till low to connect because and/or they are drifters or, god forbid, Israel Keyes and travel constantly to do their shitty work, making it next to impossible to link the cases

edit: rereading the article and I have read it in the past, forgot the most telling part, his floor is 2% on serial killers because of dna matches. His reasoning to believe the amount of them are higher is a smart, analytical, view.

 

I’ve heard a few podcast that have talked about her. She’s absolutely horrible, but as Daniel Ocean mentioned, her count is low and she’s pretty low down the list when it comes to Washington where there are a lot more that have taken over the news over time.

 

israel Keyes, modern, the scariest motherfucker in terms of ‘how to serial kill in 21st century,’ I-5 killer (oregon native, but did a lot of shit in Washington), Robert Lee Yates, Happy Face Killer, etc.

The entire west coast is probably the epicenter of serial killers because of the 70’s and 80’s and the culture it hung on at the time (hitchhiking, moving to it to ‘get away’, plenty of places to dump victims, etc.)

 

Is the Smiley Face Killer actually a thing? I didn’t think there was anything concrete to connect the cases?

 

Hadn’t heard of Israel Keyes so a quick Wikipedia read and it turns out he was arrested 1.2 miles from my in-laws house and 0.9 miles from my sister in law and her family.

That’s fucking terrifying but I’ll snap a pic of the Cotton Patch Cafe in Lufkin, TX next time up there visiting.

 

I meant ‘Happy Face Killer’ Keith Jesperson (which is obviously confusing). From Washington, spending the rest of his life in Oregon state pen.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Hunter_Jesperson

 

I just finished up The Keepers the other day. First off…fuck the Catholic Church.

Not sure I buy the priest/catholic conspiracy for the murder of the nun. Not bc they weren’t capable of it. The murder of Joyce Malecki four days later in the same neighborhood with very similar circumstances causes doubt.

There were connections w/ Joyce to the priest. It doesn’t make sense to me that they would murder another women a few days later. For what purpose? Serial killers weren’t a thing yet so it seems unlikely that that was a countermeasure.

Additionally, there were two more abductions/murders in the area during the time that have been connected to the other two, but no mention was made of them in the Keepers.

 

Seems like they were too busy looking at the church angle to look at anything else in the doc.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnew...urst-lied-penned-cadaver-note-police-79493269

Think he has been talked about itt but lmao at the responses to some of these questions.

Motherfucker is a serial killer and basically skated through life.