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2010-2016 Jags are back and better than ever, baby.
Todd Wash really likes to play cover two and other teams really like to pick it apart.
Anyone left defending Blake? That was fucking TERRIBLE
Just throw literally anyone else back there. Please.
We Kessler now.
Fuck this fucking team.
Btw that sucks. We ain’t winning shit with Kessler
We’re the cops in Demolition Man when Wesley Snipes trained killers start using guns, and all we’ve got are fucking glow rods.
“It’s what we got.”
Agreed we are not going to win much with Kessler but he has to get starting reps in practice starting tomorrow. That’s the only direction we can go right now.
What would Tyrod cost? I’m sure it’s not a first rounder, even though judging by LF and Bryant we could probably spare one since we won’t draft anyone worth a shit.
It’s a little too early to tell on Bryan. LF is made of glass and is unreliable, his value is next to nothing right now.
Nope- I’m out. Fucking hell it was so bad.
I accept your apology.
Tempers flared in the post-game locker room at TIAA Bank Field after the team's third consecutive loss. No punches were thrown but players were yelling at each other and at one point -- when the locker room doors were opened prematurely to allow the media to enter -- defensive end Calais Campbell was seen restraining defensive end Yannick Ngakoue and players could clearly be heard shouting.
It's a clear sign that the Jaguars' recent struggles run deeper than just injuries, poor quarterback play, a supposed elite defense that suddenly can't stop the run, and turnovers.
"You all walk in here, you all see how it is in here, you all see how we vibe with each other, you all see how we vibe towards the coaches," cornerback Jalen Ramsey said. "You all see how it is. It is no secret what's going on here right now. Ain't nobody going to say it because we can't, but it ain't no secret what's going on and it ain't right, right now.
"It is what it is."
Should have signed McCarron.
You mean Watson? Agreed if so.
Guy got cut by the team who signed him. He's trash
I heard before the game that LF has lost this team. He refuses to play with a grade one hamstring pull. The other players don't respect him hence the Jags trading for Hyde.
Sounds about right
Heard from whom?
Bortles Out, Kaepernick In? Jaguars Need a Real QB to Save Once-Promising Season
Yes, the Jaguars have talked too much trash and it's coming back to bite them. Corner Jalen Ramsey had never met a microphone he didn't like before he and the Jaguars defense got roasted against the Chiefs and Cowboys, and now he suddenly doesn't want to talk except to complain about media coverage.
And yes, the Jaguars are injured. They have a bevy of hurt players, the biggest being running back Leonard Fournette, who's spent most of this season on the sideline with a hamstring injury.
But all the talking and all the injuries aren't why the Jaguars' season is going down the toilet. There is one and only one reason for that: Blake Bortles.
Whatever else is right, whatever else is wrong, they cannot win unless they get a real quarterback. And, with a real quarterback out there waiting to be had, in Colin Kaepernick, it raises the question: Is this franchise willing to throw away an entire season—a season in which people were picking it to be a threat to win the AFC—out of stubbornness over its past faith in Bortles and narrow-mindedness about Kaepernick?
Bortles has been so bad, so awful, so absolutely putrid that in Sunday's humiliating 20-7 loss to the Texans, he was benched for Cody Kessler...a former Browns quarterback. Kessler once went 0-8 as a Browns starter. When you lose your job to him, it's time to re-examine your place in the universe.
Bortles fumbled twice Sunday, the 26th time in the past five seasons he committed at least two turnovers. It's the most giveaways by any player in the NFL during that span.
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Blake Bortles has lost a pair of fumbles today. He has 26 games since the start of 2014 committing multiple turnovers, the most such games by any player in the NFL in that time.
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But it wasn't just the fumbles. He looks like he's never played the position before, like he's playing quarterback the way a toddler operates the television remote. Clueless, inept and incapable of running an NFL offense.
One of the true tells was how defensive players looked on the sideline. Some of them just looked stunned as they watched Bortles and the offense. They looked like they wanted to lock the offense in a chest, burn it and then bury the ashes in a hole.
When Kessler threw for a touchdown, the defensive players mobbed him with glee. It was as if the players hadn't seen their quarterback make a good throw in months. They were starving for something.
You could see: The Bortles Era is over. In terms of eras, it was one like when the dinosaurs were nuked by an asteroid or The Great Depression.
There is no way the Jaguars can ever trust Bortles again. If they do, they are complete fools. Chasing good money after bad.
Handing Bortles a three-year, $54 million contract extension will go down as one of the worst decisions Tom Coughlin has made in his Hall of Fame career. Bortles was bound to Bortles. It was inevitable. And now we've seen it: three turnovers in his past two games, eight in his past three, 6-of-12 for 61 yards before being benched Sunday.
But as bad as that decision was, sticking with him now would be so much worse.
Coughlin might still defend that contract—say Bortles was the quarterback for a team that went to the title game and hung with the Patriots at Gillette, say Bortles deserved to be paid. But standing by him now would be indefensible.
The team knows it can't win with Bortles. It absolutely knows it. And the players in that locker room know it, too. The Athletic's Daniel Popper reported that after the game, Jaguars players were screaming at each other and had to be separated.
Jags just briefly opened up the doors to the locker room before shutting them. Calais Campbell was holding back Yannick Ngakoue, who threw off Campbell. Lots of yelling coming from the room.
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So what do the Jaguars do?
Even in the mediocre AFC South, they cannot win with Kessler any more than they could with Bortles. They have to trade for someone or sign someone and do it now. It's the only thing that can stabilize a rapidly decaying season.
They could try to get lucky on trading for Tyrod Taylor out of Cleveland or Jacoby Brissett out of Indianapolis. Or could try to pry Teddy Bridgewater out of New Orleans. It's unclear what it would take to get those players (or if they're even available, in Bridgewater's case), and those aren't proven winning NFL quarterbacks, but those are calls the Jaguars have to make.
But the first call they should make is to a quarterback who has proved he can win in the NFL and is definitely available. Kaepernick.
It wouldn't cost the team much. It wouldn't give up draft picks. And I think Kaepernick would play there.
They would have to give him time to get up to speed, but Kaepernick is a genius and can learn any offense. The team could stick with Kessler for next week's game against Philadelphia and then, following a bye week, insert Kaepernick and bring back Fournette.
Unfortunately, all of this will probably never happen. Coughlin would probably rather drink battery acid than sign Kaepernick.
But if it did, the change in the team's momentum would be monumental.
So the Jaguars, and Coughlin, have to ask themselves: Do they want to throw away a season over pride? Or over contractual commitment to Bortles? Or even to the lie propagated over the true intention of Kaepernick's protests?
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The Panthers needed a safety, and they signed Eric Reid, the man who started the protests with Kaepernick. When Reid signed, Earth kept spinning through the solar system unaffected. The same would happen with Kaepernick.
The Jaguars can still win this year. And Coughlin can still fix his mistake. But only if he doesn't let pride or stupidity get in the way.
Oh wait. Hold on.
It will literally never happen while Coughlin is in charge of personnel decisions.
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Neither Khan nor Coughlin would ever consider Kaepernick.
I'd love for them to kick the tires on Bridgewater or Tyrod.
Also, didn't we do a statistical comparison of Bortles/Kap last season and find they weren't all that different?
I was all for signing Kaep last year but he's been on the sidelines too long now and the stories of him being offered a contract and not taking it makes me think he wants to be an activist more than a player, and that's perfectly fine.
Agree on Bridgewater and Tyrod. I would assume both would come pretty cheap.
After throwing for 376 yards and four touchdowns in Jacksonville's Week 2 win over New England this season, it seemed like Bortles had finally put the doubts to rest. Five games later, however, Bortles was benched for backup Cody Kesslerin the middle of a dismal loss to the Texans. Over that time frame, Bortles posted a Total QBR of just 31, the lowest mark in the league among starters. He was 30th out of 34 signal-callers in passer rating, ahead of three rookies. The former third overall pick threw four touchdowns against six picks, took 13 sacks and fumbled four times, losing three. The Jags wanted someone who wouldn't turn the ball over. Bortles has been in The Bad Place.
The offense doesn't look any better on tape. The Jaguars seemed to strike on something by throwing the ball on early downs against the Patriots, but opposing defenses have adjusted. Bortles was 13-of-19 for 203 yards and three touchdowns against the Patriots on first down, but since then, he's 37-of-61 for 384 yards with a touchdown, four picks, eight sacks and a league-low passer rating of 57.0. The average passer rating on first downs over that span is 96.8.
You can't really blame Bortles' receivers, either. The NFL's Next Gen Stats platform suggests that Bortles has open weapons. Over the dismal stretch, a full 50.3 percent of Bortles' passes have been to open targets, the seventh-highest rate in the league. (The NFL defines open receivers as players with 3-5 yards of space between them and any defenders.) When he has had open receivers, though, Bortles is posting a passer rating of just 78.7. Only Bortles and Marcus Mariota have posted a passer rating to open receivers below 105.3.
The reality is that there might not be anything wrong with Bortles at all. He just seems to go through stretches like this. From Weeks 2-6 last season, Bortles posted a QBR of 40.1, a stretch that saw him average 6.3 yards per attempt and throw five interceptions on 149 attempts. Over the next three games, Bortles' 90.6 QBR was the best in the league. He posted a league-high passer rating of 128.6 from Weeks 13-15 in 2017, then settled in at less than half that mark -- 62.3 -- over the final two weeks of the regular season and the narrow playoff victory over the Bills. Bortles is like your cat who disappears for two weeks at a time every few months but always somehow finds his way home. Good Blake and Bad Blake are going to show up for different stretches during a typical Jags season.
Racked up a $60k tab at a burlesque club. Nice
Man I thought the Jags were ready to dethrone the Patriots.
It’s gotta be pretty disheartening to be the only NFL team to act like assholes in London.
Honestly, not at all. If you get self worth from a sports team and feel like they are a reflection of you, well I feel sorry for you.
I, honestly, have no idea what this post has to do with my comment.
Good bc I have no idea why I would be disheartened by the actions of some men in Londom that I dont know. Apparently the men that play for your football team mean more to you than they do to me.
This is so cute.
You still being so upset over a game from a month to attempt to troll this thread is adorable.
You’re right. I will never be able to get over that soul-crushing loss to the third-place AFC South team.
Have y’all even played the Jets yet?
Are they still playing this morning? Because that is literally all I care about.
We are trash at every single offensive position.
Hey now 90 yards at the half is better than last week. Showing improvement.
I’m starting to think I underrated Cam Robinson. Our line is fucking terrible.
Blake is best just running with the ball