Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker Film

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  1. Honda Hawk

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    Saw it coming a mile away.

    I did lolwhen Joker lunged/scared the midget while he was trying to get out of the apt.
     
  2. juice

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    Little person* is the preferred nomenclature.
     
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    I'm an asshole
     
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  5. BP

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    Really interesting watch
     
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    Joker Is Now The Highest Grossing R-Rated Movie Ever Worldwide With $785.5M, Surpassing 'Deadpool 2' Without China Too

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    The obvious takeaway here is that more people should be casting Zazie Beetz in their R-rated movies.
     
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  9. Bruce Wayne

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    No way there isn't a sequel to this now.
     
  10. JBF76

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    When you actually think about this, and roll around on your head how many great rated R movies there have been, this achievement is kind of unbelievable.. it's really amazing..
     
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  11. JBF76

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    Obvious point I'm about to make is obvious, but it all depends how much :rain:
    It would take to entice Phoenix to do it.. I'm not even sure the money would impact him much.. he obviously beats to his own drum. If he wants it, it will happen. If he doesn't there is absolutely no way they would recast his roll. Like I said, I know I'm stating the obvious.
     
  12. BP

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    Phoenix has already said he'd be interested in a sequel depending on the script.
     
  13. JBF76

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    Ok, awesome.. bring it. :thumb:
     
  14. Daniel Ocean

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    the director said she is alive that he doesn’t kill her. He cut a scene where she is her apartment watching the show where he kills the guy. So that part is real. He said he cut the scene since it was her POV and the rest of the movie had been through Arthur’s and didn’t want to change that.

    It’s obviously not him. The Arthur is around 40 (I think 44) in the movie Bruce is between 9-12. That means when Bruce becomes Batman about 20 years later If Arthur is the Joker he’d be in his 60s. It doesn’t add up. Also if you believe that the nugget that kills the Waynes is the Joker, it was obviously someone else.
     
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  16. Emma

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    Whatever you say, toenails
     
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  18. Emma

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    That's Grossing 1 billion worldwide without China's numbers while on a small budget.

    It's also the smallest budgeted film to pass $1B with a budget around $55M-$70M. Previously it was Minions which made $1B with a $73M budget.
     
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  19. Emma

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    All while being a damn character study and not an action movie
     
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  21. Charlie Conway

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    Anyone else think this movie just wasn't very good? Not terrible, but just not great either. :justsayin:
     
  22. Emma

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    No, I thought it was great
     
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    It was overly hyped. It was "deep" on a level when compared to every other movie that gets spit out by hollywood now-a-days. It was incredibly predictable and very self-indulgent. Joaqin Phoenix made it imo because the script wasn't the greatest. Like I mean I guess interesting camera angles on Joaqin smoking a cigarrette is cool, and not what all the marvel boys usually get to see, but when you do it like 9 times it's meh af. There's much much much better films out there that don't even get 1M dollars or any type of release.
     
  25. Fabulousthundercock

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    The Joker: the rise of the alt-right incel.

    Phoenix was incredible tho.

    movie itself was meh bc it was a character study, which are complicated, wrapped in a simpleton comic book plot. The- at times- ham fisted plot and antagonists takes credibility away from the sophisticated emotional drama of the protagonist.
     
  26. TrustyPatches

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    Pretty cool acceptance speech at the SAG awards tonight.
     
  27. TDCD

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    Watched it last night

    To preface, I’m a simpleton who just cares about plot and doesn’t pay much attention to the quality of acting.

    But I couldn’t help but feel like any joker performance will be a disappointment to me compared to Ledger. Maybe Phoenix was good but Ledger’s joker will never be touched and it dampens everyone else’s performance for me.

    As for the movie... first half made me physically uncomfortable. His existence is just so sad, I was squirming in my seat.
     
  28. rickyrubio4life

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    It was ok. I did appreciate Phoenix's performance, but there was something incredibly formulaic about it. Like this dude just had the worst day possible every fucking day so of course he's going to snap at some point. I also felt like I got lung cancer watching the movie. As someone else said, maybe try to find something more edgy than nonstop closeups of Phoenix with a cigarette in his hand. Even his screed at the end before he shot Murray was just way too hamfisted.

    I did really enjoy the look of the film. They did a great job with the cinematography. I give Phoenix a lot of credit for carrying the entire film, especially when it seemed like his character basically traveled in a 100 yard circle the whole time. It surprised me how small and insular the film felt, which isn't a necessarily bad thing. It's just hard not to subconsciously compare and contrast it with the feel of Ledger and TDK as a whole.
     
  29. goblue31602

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    His acceptance speech was good last night and he paid tribute to Ledger.

     
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    How people cannot separate Ledger's performance, and character from Phoenix's is so bizarre to me. Two totally different portrayals, and completely different types of movie. I just don't get it..
     
  31. TDCD

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    Because it’s the same character. What’s not to get.
     
  32. NothingIsOT

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    What don’t you get? They’re both, in theory, the joker. Now I know people talk about age and how it can’t be the same person, but only someone curious enough to do the math would know that.

    Otherwise, one portrays Joker as a maniacal equal to Batman that fucked up a city. The other portrays him as a weakling weirdo with serious mental issues. The average person is going to juxtapose them.
     
  33. Born Again Lefty

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    I like the theory that Phoenix’s portrayal isn’t “The” Joker, but instead creates the groundwork for The Joker (someone like Ledger’s portrayal) down the line.
     
  34. Daniel Ocean

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    FWIW as righty pointed out they aren’t the same character. When you think of it that way separating the two should (in theory) be easy to do.
     
  35. JBF76

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    They aren't the same in any way, shape, or form. That's what I'm saying.
     
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  36. Daniel Ocean

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    because they are different characters.
     
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  37. JBF76

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    Agreed
     
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    I'm gonna ask a question here, and it's gonna seem like I'm being a dick, but I'm really not, I'm just asking out of curiosity. Have you ever experienced really abject, hopeless, poverty? Because the scenes you describe as making you squirm remind me all too much of living with my grandma as a kid, and frankly I appreciated what felt to me like an honest portrayal of experiences from my own life. And so I'm wondering if maybe this movie hits different depending on your own life experiences.
     
  39. Daniel Ocean

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    just to be clear

    joker (JP) =/= the joker (HL). JP’s Joker isn’t the character from DC.
     
  40. yaywaffles

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    watched it a week ago. I remember tracking it in this thread and from what I recall, most people seemed to like it. Normally, I think my opinion aligns with the popular consensus here on most films, but frankly I thought Joker was pretty bad, and I'm not quite sure why it's generated so much hype. Mental illness is a vital issue and absolutely a worthwhile topic to analyze in film, as is the class tension the film attempts to explore. But while these issues offer numerous avenues for profound insights, the film doesn't seem to have much to say on either subject. Taxi Driver is the obvious comparison for this movie, but Scorcese's film worked because it forced audiences to grapple with the implications of a society that alienated and stigmatized those it deemed 'outsiders' while it simultaneously fetishized brutal justice. Joker, on the other hand, ends with its main character shooting a talk show host in the face because he said mean things about him on the air (i'm aware of the "fantasy" interpretation. But in this case, I don't think it really matters)

    which is kind of the central critique I have of the film. I appreciate any attempt to bring mental illness into the public discourse, and I hope future films follow suit (hopefully in a more carefully plotted manner), but I'm having a hard time reading this as anything other than a "ticking time bomb" interpretation of mental illness. Arthur suffers from crushing loneliness and chronic bullying until he reaches his breaking point and becomes a psycho killer. This is a tired and, more significantly, harmful trope surrounding mental illness. And I think it raises further questions regarding whether or not an iconic comic book villain is really the best vehicle through which to explore these issues.
     
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  41. Dirt Dirt McGirt

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    I liked it but it's not a movie I'd ever want to watch again
     
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    Watched last night.

    I thought Phoenix's portrayal incredible. The progression of how his mental illness and realization of his fucked up childhood/family issues affect his character throughout the movie is incredible.

    I'd argue this was the harder role though both were amazing. No batman, CGI, other characters in this, just Phoenix for the whole movie.
     
  43. Jack Parkman

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    Having seen Phoenix’s acceptance speeches now at 2 different award ceremonies, granted I haven’t followed his career really since that letterman interview, but he’s one weird guy
     
  44. Emma

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    I think he's himself. Doesn't put on a mask like others in the community. I'm good with that.
     
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    watched his 60 minutes interview last night, he’s legitimately weird

    dudes had some traumas in his life
     
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  46. Daniel Ocean

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    would it change your mind if it’s not?
     
  47. Jack Parkman

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    Saw there’s a rumor that they’ve offered Phoenix 50 million for 2 more joker films
     
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    Tried watching it like 5 times and I’m just not into that energy on film.
     
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    Weird. Your loss.
     
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    The Joker is such an amazing hero for society