The cancel culture or whatever is always a hot topic amongst Joe and friends because they can't say the shit they used to or want to now. And I only listen to his pods with comedians and MMA folks. It usually drives me to stop listening when they get into this old tired rant.
Ari just drugged one of of his best friends in front of his wife and children. Ari is arguably the biggest piece of shit on earth.
That's legitimately all Joe wants to talk about. Yet, he's had some rather problematic guest on his podcast.
I never liked him. His standup is trash. He adds nothing to the podcasts he's on. Etc. I don't know why people like him at all.
Yea it's taken over at times during his podcast. I can barely listen to him anymore. I sure as fuck don't listen when he has any political figure on.
Ari's a complete degenerate looking for the response that tweet will provide. He's like a less funny Anthony Jeselnik.
This guy is a huge piece of shit. With that said all he's doing is taking the same type of thought some on this very board had yesterday and turn to to 100. I don't enjoy people who take it to this extreme and I don't follow him, support his act and when he's on the podcast its rare I even listen to it. I get he's one of Joe's bff's but fuck him. Drugging a person is a line you can't come back from and this guy did that.
I use to listen to Rogan quite a bit. I missed the early years of his podcast when he was blatantly racist and homophobic, started listening when he started to get really popular and toned it down. He is very good conversationalist and it made for a good podcast to talk to a bunch of different people. I didn't listen to much of the ones w comedians because all they'd do is jerk themselves off about how great and misunderstood comedians are. Also had no interest in the bigfoot / ancient alien conspiracy stuff. I legit started hunting because of Steve Rinella. He'd have Dan Carlin on to talk about cool history shit. It took Neil Degrasse Tyson like 15 whole minutes to convince him the moon landing wasn't faked. That was hilarious. . He had Fred Phelps granddaughter to talk about how she left Westboro Baptist Church (her book is amazing btw). Joe Rogan is really dumb, curious and easily influenced. That plus his conversation skills made for good listens with those types of guest. But then he started having on legit white supremacists like Stephon Molynuex, Milo ect who Joe is not equipped to interview. There's no pushback, and he's easily convinced. That's the issue I have w him, and why I stopped listening routinely. One week he'll have on Ben Shapiro and Joe will repeat the anti muslim rhetoric. The next week he'll have a Kyle Kulinski type and Joe will start talkign about the plight of the Palestinians, until another IDW type comes on and switches his opinion again, with no comprehension how those views contradict.
There seem to be 2 levels of disagreement here, 1) that he even gives some people a platform and 2) when he does have those people on, Joe does not attack their beliefs, or even challenge them on some things that even the most basic Bernie Bro/sane person would have a problem with. Joe seems to have an open door policy, if you want to come on and talk about the earth being flat or aliens or MMA or guns or religion or twitter or whatever, as long as it's interesting (i.e. gets clicks), he's open to it. And he seems to give everyone their space to voice their opinions without turning it into a shouting contest. Whether it's Jordan Peterson, Bernie Sanders, or Alex Jones. He claims he does that on purpose because he thinks the discussion loses value when it degenerates into an argument. So even if he 100% disagrees with what someone is saying, at some point he backs off and let's them have their say. He also has an odd ability to be able to be friends with people he disagrees with. He and Ben Shapiro agree on a few issues, but disagree on a lot more. I've seen Rogan call Shapiro his friend. People have trouble grasping that concept, and can't understand how a Bernie supporter could actually be friends with Ben Shapiro, of all people.
Fred Phelps granddaughter basically getting de-radicalized through twitter and in part discussions with Kevin Smith was an early "oh twitter is actually way more powerful both good and bad than I thought" I've also listened to more Rogan over the last year than I have since the first couple years.
It’s almost as if you can disagree with someone about a lot of things and yet not hate them and have to remove them from your life. What an interesting idea.
I read quite a bit, about 60ish books last year. Her book stuck w me the most. On top of it just being an interesting story about how batshit insane Westboro Baptists is, the take aways of how she was radicalized really hit home. It was never a single argument or zinger that pulled her out of the brainwashing. It was a few people who she vehemently attacked on twitter and irl that never devolved into attacking her personally. It was one dude (her now husband) who slid into her DMs ( as a lot of people did) to have a more private conversation and over years they debated all the shit she pushed. Another one was a gay guy who was a part of a group that always came to counter-protest. He kind of reversed the "hate the sin, not sinner" take on her. Would talk about how her words and actions are hatefutl, but made a point of saying he didnt hate her. She was a victim of her upbringing and nurturing. They became sort of friends despite teh differences. Finally some inner family conflict was the biggest tipping point, and when she was in a place to reconsider a lot of shit, she thought about the conversations w those two dudes that really escalated her deradicalization. I always keep that in mind when I see people on twitter and on TMB debate w people they disagree with. They go after personal attacks or bring up old shit/ personal zingers to pander for likes. As fun and entertaining as that can be, it doesn't help. No one has ever been insulted into changing their minds. There's no huge wake up call youre going to achieve w a single barb or passive aggressive sarcastic reply. I know that goes against the ethos of TMB, but I always think of that book when I see the big flame wars and back and forth over political or cultural differences here.
Aside from the TMB section (of which I agree with and why I'll engage people for way longer than I should before largely giving up/chiding them) its why I think the family cease fires are misguided. The people you can change their minds the most are friends and family who respect you in general and who you see in person. Lots of barriers in online discourse unless people are waaaaay open minded and not emotionally fragile.
if the Rogan but not really plugged in to politics fans are curious about the intricacies of all the mostly over twitter debate this is a good read
I've listened to him enough over the years to know he's not very smart. I think he's tried to build his podcast into an open discussion where he allows everyone to have a chance to speak whether he(or anyone for that matter) agrees with it. Whether that's for the clicks or truly trying to give everyone a voice, I don't know but it's probably somewhere in the middle. I think it's gotten away from him. I also think he uses the term "friend" a lot and loosely. It seems like he calls everyone that's been on his podcast his friend. I am interested to see how he responds to this, though.
Ari used to have a show called the amazing racist, where he'd pull stunts like dressing up like a priest and asking Jews to sign a petition to apologize for killing Jesus, started a driving school for Asians, and picked up a truckload of (presumably illegal) migrant workers near the boarder, then drove them to the INS. You don't have to do much digging to out Ari as a bad person by most any standard, but particularly by today's.
Was this on cable? Or just an internet show on his own? I cant imagine even a comedy central type station show that. Sounds like something that would be on OANN
I'm not sure, I've only seen it on Youtube. It could not have been on a mainstream network. It was also mostly set up. and just a skit
Actually I think Ive seen clips of that. It was when he had a rickety ass boat on the beach and asking black people if they wanted a free trip back to africa. He's so vile.
It wasn't a TV show. It was like a movie he put together that had all this shit. He dressed up in KKK custom and trolled black people.
I’ll be very thankful if his cancellation leads to all the Instagram ads of fad workout gear being promoted on his show going away too
I think he's talking about all the stuff Rogan either endorses or has part ownership of. The Onnit stuff, the Iron Neck, the TimTam massager thing that one of his friends came up with, etc.
Especially his. He places all his commercials at the beginning specifically so you can fast forward through them and they don’t interrupt the pod.
I’m talking about ads on Instagram based off bullshit he talks about on his show. Those massage things that just look like fancy masterbation tools or some thing you lay on dick down that massages some muscles that only mma people have apparently
Joe's friend, MMA and BJJ coach Firas Zahabi invented that, apparently. I think he was George St. Pierre's primary trainer. But that's the connection to Rogan.
That was an interesting read but I think this comment gets to the heart of it: Branding your opponent evil or an enabler of evil is a useful way to score some rhetorical points or maybe silence them without having to engage them. And in a difficult and complex world, most of the people doing this are guilty of what they are decrying.
Nothing really. He had a guest on that made a transphobic remark about trans-women not disclosing their situation to sexual partners. Charlemagne chastised him for it, but agreed that they have a duty to be honest with their partners. Then trans-Twitter had a conniption. You know, because you’re such a piece of bigoted shit if you, as a heterosexual man, refuse to have sex with a woman with a penis. About more or less ridiculous than activists’ anger at Rogan saying transwomen shouldn’t be allowed to beat the ever-living shit out of biological women in combat sports.
Where does the average run of the mill leftists who mostly agree with the trans rights movement come down on things like this?? They recognize the insanity of a biological male who thinks they are really a female competing in MMA against women, right? Everyone accepts the fact that physically an XY human is different than an XX human, don't they? So when someone says "hey, this biological man should not be fighting women", and the insane portion of the trans rights community says that's bigoted and wrong and if someone identifies as female then they are 100% female in every way, where is the push-back from those average run of the mill leftist? This is probably an area where a loft of people who are typically politically unaligned actually agree. It seems like there is a hesitation to actually say that from the left though. There is a similar hesitation on the right on certain topics, but that's another issue.
This is rambling bullshit and it's only happening because he's starting to get financially because of his comments.
By the way, a perfect example of Joe giving someone space to speak even though he totally thinks they are full of shit or disagrees with the guest is Tom Delonge. The Blink 182 lead singer/alien expert. Delonge came on and made all kinds of interesting, but unverifiable claims about what the US government knows about aliens, their interactions, etc. And Rogan was interested, and pressed Delonge about what he knew and how he knew it, and Delonge's answer was consistently: I can't tell you, but soon it will all come out and you will realize I was right all along. Rogan later said it was very obvious that he wasn't going to get anything more out of Delonge than that. So instead of saying, look, dude, anyone can come on here and say "here is a bunch of high level info I have, but I can't tell you who told me or how I know", or "I talked to this guy, former CIA director, but I can't tell you his name", so if that's ALL you have then fuck off. Rogan said even if that's what he was thinking, saying that wouldn't go anywhere productive. So instead he let Delonge say what he had to say, and that was that. Now you don't have to care about Delonge or UFOs, but the point is even if Rogan disagrees or thinks the guest is an asshole or full of shit, he might challenge them to a point, but when he thinks it's not going to be productive, he stops and let's it go. That applies to Gavin McInnes, Bernie Sanders, Richard Spencer, Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson, Andrew Yang, and every other guess he's had, really.